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Post Post #825 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:41 pm

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In post 823, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 822, Past Present Future wrote:However from a selective skim I see Math just saying he's right and everyone who disagrees is bad or scum. If there's specific questions, I'll answer tomorrow.
what gave you that impression?
Like the fact you have this impression gives me absolute sads.

I was content to not even talk my reads until Mastina spammed them and nothing else necessitating a defense.

Like it’s really bad.
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Post Post #826 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:41 pm

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That’s @Titus not FA to be clear
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Post Post #827 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:43 pm

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btw my question is a legit one, and not sarcastic in a way

I wanna know what you skimmed that gave you that impression
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Post Post #828 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:46 pm

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FA while you’re here

Who do you think makes a good Mastina partner(s) assuming PPF is confirmed not the partner?
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Post Post #829 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:24 pm

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VOTE: MathBlade
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Post Post #830 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:26 pm

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In post 829, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:VOTE: MathBlade
Why the naked vote on Math?
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Post Post #831 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:26 pm

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Math is hard scum, mastina is probably town

Hi TSE yes I remember you

mastina can you explain why Drapion is scum? Because that's the head I don't scumread atm but I remember TSE being really clearly different when town vs scum
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Post Post #832 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:27 pm

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I just don't think this is town Math at all
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Post Post #833 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:28 pm

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Math says things and I don't believe he actually thinks them
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Post Post #834 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:28 pm

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I'd give this more words and depth but I've gotta go into work
I've been wanting our vote here for a while but Bella has said 'not yet' a few times
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Post Post #835 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:29 pm

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In post 832, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:I just don't think this is town Math at all
Based on? How does he sound similar here to LOST?
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Post Post #836 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:30 pm

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In post 833, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:Math says things and I don't believe he actually thinks them
Link/quote?
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Post Post #837 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:33 pm

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In post 833, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:Math says things and I don't believe he actually thinks them
He feels kind of genuine to me.
Ngl but mastina repeatedly saying similar things on FA doesn't feel like much of a progression.
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Post Post #838 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:35 pm

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In post 831, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:Math is hard scum, mastina is probably town

Hi TSE yes I remember you

mastina can you explain why Drapion is scum? Because that's the head I don't scumread atm but I remember TSE being really clearly different when town vs scum
Hmmm . . . So you remember this being TSE’s towngame? I’ve never seen either head’s scumgame.
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Post Post #839 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:37 pm

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In post 837, MMR wrote:
In post 833, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:Math says things and I don't believe he actually thinks them
He feels kind of genuine to me.
Ngl but mastina repeatedly saying similar things on FA doesn't feel like much of a progression.
I'm going to talk with my hydra partners first but I could potentially be down for a vote on her.
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Post Post #840 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:43 pm

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In post 834, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:I'd give this more words and depth but I've gotta go into work
I've been wanting our vote here for a while but Bella has said 'not yet' a few times
Are you and Bella in disagreement about this then? Why “not yet”?
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Post Post #841 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:46 pm

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In post 839, Past Present Future wrote:
In post 837, MMR wrote:
In post 833, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:Math says things and I don't believe he actually thinks them
He feels kind of genuine to me.
Ngl but mastina repeatedly saying similar things on FA doesn't feel like much of a progression.
I'm going to talk with my hydra partners first but I could potentially be down for a vote on her.
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Math felt genuinely annoyed at mastina during his interactions with her. This could be scum!Math being annoyed at being caught or town!Math being annoyed at being falsely accused. I just feel like his reaction to mastina and ensuring interactions don't feel faked to me.
As for mastina's FA read, it feels like she hasn't made any effort to sort FA other than that she could be in her scum meta and that due to this one thing, FA has to be scum. It feels too confbiased and this might become a liability for us later.
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Post Post #842 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:49 pm

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In post 828, MathBlade wrote:FA while you’re here

Who do you think makes a good Mastina partner(s) assuming PPF is confirmed not the partner?
Doing that kind of scum hunting (partner hunting before flips) is not my style nor I find it an appealing style

but since you asked, I feel like their partner would be trying to distance the mess she was creating naturally, so slots like yume or radja or even Furtiveglance would make sense

also prof posts in last page and how they got convinced to vote mastina/and them not knowing its a confirmed multiball sounded fake so I'm not sure what to make of their last page posts at the moment
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Post Post #843 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:49 pm

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In post 841, MMR wrote:
In post 839, Past Present Future wrote:
In post 837, MMR wrote:
In post 833, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:Math says things and I don't believe he actually thinks them
He feels kind of genuine to me.
Ngl but mastina repeatedly saying similar things on FA doesn't feel like much of a progression.
I'm going to talk with my hydra partners first but I could potentially be down for a vote on her.
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Math felt genuinely annoyed at mastina during his interactions with her. This could be scum!Math being annoyed at being caught or town!Math being annoyed at being falsely accused. I just feel like his reaction to mastina and ensuring interactions don't feel faked to me.
As for mastina's FA read, it feels like she hasn't made any effort to sort FA other than that she could be in her scum meta and that due to this one thing, FA has to be scum. It feels too confbiased and this might become a liability for us later.
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I don't believe that she is confbiased. I just dont think she intends to solve my slot and is pretending to show her read more than what it is to act like she is confbiased.

if that makes sense.
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Post Post #844 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:50 pm

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thats why I scum read mastina
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Post Post #845 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:53 pm

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In post 833, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:Math says things and I don't believe he actually thinks them
its interesting to me that we said almost the same thing about two different sides of that interaction and reached the opposite reads there.

what do you make of my mastina read and show me what gave you the impression that math doesnt believe what she says?
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Post Post #846 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:58 pm

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In post 841, MMR wrote:
In post 839, Past Present Future wrote:
In post 837, MMR wrote:
In post 833, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:Math says things and I don't believe he actually thinks them
He feels kind of genuine to me.
Ngl but mastina repeatedly saying similar things on FA doesn't feel like much of a progression.
I'm going to talk with my hydra partners first but I could potentially be down for a vote on her.
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Your slot is probably my most confident tr in this game. Can you please elaborate some more on both of these things?
Math felt genuinely annoyed at mastina during his interactions with her. This could be scum!Math being annoyed at being caught or town!Math being annoyed at being falsely accused. I just feel like his reaction to mastina and ensuring interactions don't feel faked to me.
As for mastina's FA read, it feels like she hasn't made any effort to sort FA other than that she could be in her scum meta and that due to this one thing, FA has to be scum. It feels too confbiased and this might become a liability for us later.
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@Mastina, have you come any closer to parsing FA yet? Even if your read on her is “rusty”, I’m assuming you don’t think whatever you think her meta is, has changed right? So what’s stopped you from metadiving her games? If you can make a case on Math, why not FA?
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Post Post #847 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:00 pm

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As a low tier player, it's time to make an audacious read. Professotic/Mastina/MathBlade/FrozenAngel are all town. MMR and PPF are town. Everyone else is basically in the null stew but I'd prefer not to vote Radja because everyone seems happy to vote them.
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Post Post #848 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:02 pm

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In post 843, Frozen Angel wrote:
In post 841, MMR wrote:
In post 839, Past Present Future wrote:
In post 837, MMR wrote:
In post 833, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow wrote:Math says things and I don't believe he actually thinks them
He feels kind of genuine to me.
Ngl but mastina repeatedly saying similar things on FA doesn't feel like much of a progression.
I'm going to talk with my hydra partners first but I could potentially be down for a vote on her.
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Your slot is probably my most confident tr in this game. Can you please elaborate some more on both of these things?
Math felt genuinely annoyed at mastina during his interactions with her. This could be scum!Math being annoyed at being caught or town!Math being annoyed at being falsely accused. I just feel like his reaction to mastina and ensuring interactions don't feel faked to me.
As for mastina's FA read, it feels like she hasn't made any effort to sort FA other than that she could be in her scum meta and that due to this one thing, FA has to be scum. It feels too confbiased and this might become a liability for us later.
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I don't believe that she is confbiased. I just dont think she intends to solve my slot and is pretending to show her read more than what it is to act like she is confbiased.

if that makes sense.
I think that you might be right.
As PPF pointed out, mastina has made a case on Math but not on you.
I've talked to my hydra partners and they both think that mastina's meta read is scummy.
VOTE: mastina
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Post Post #849 (ISO) » Mon Oct 24, 2022 9:03 pm

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My appologies for bringing back the headache but look at this two posts:
In post 304, mastina wrote:
In post 272, Frozen Angel wrote:she specifically said she has no idea what she is doing with her meta read on me
Not true!

I know exactly what I am doing with you.

Your play is night and day different between your scumgames and towngames--that's a fact. Your townplay is nothing like your scumplay; your scumplay is nothing like your townplay. That is true.

These metas are very distinct and very obvious and very noticeable. That is true.

You are 100% playing to one of the two metas. You are absolutely in one of those two metas, not blurring it, not blending it, not hiding it, fitting that meta to a T. That is true.

All of this means I know exactly what I'm doing with my meta on you; I know all of the above is true.

The one and only area I falter in is knowing which meta is which.

You are either 100% town, or 100% scum, with absolutely no in-between. There's no room where your content is 75% towngame with 25% being scum, or 75% scumgame with 25% town. It is 100% fully and entirely in the established meta for the alignment you are. If you are scum then you are playing your scum meta to a T; if you are town, then you are playing your town meta to a T. Most players as town never have 100% of their towngame, and most players as scum never have 100% of your scumgame.

But you, whatever your alignment is, do have that 100%.

The one question is which alignment is which.

And I'm pretty sure this is the scumgame, from my memory.

That ain't me not knowing what I'm talking about. I know EXACTLY what I am talking about and it is guaranteed to be true. You're playing to an established meta, with zero divergence from said meta whatsoever. And the meta you are playing I
think
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In post 338, Bunnyonce wrote:Maybe mastina would like to finally confirm for us if she thinks FA is in her scum or town meta?
I already did, repeatedly.

My stance on FA I really don't get why y'all don't understand it, I'm being as clear as I can.

Frozen Angel has a night/day difference between her towngame and scumgame.
This is very damn strongly obvious. Her alignments could not be more distinct.

I
know
the differences IN the meta. I can identify the differences between one meta and the other. Just by her entrance into this game, I could tell FA was playing to her standard play as her alignment.
As in, if this is FA as town it is 100% her towngame;
If this is FA as scum it is 100% her scumgame.

If I have seen her towngame recently, I would instantly be able to tell her alignment in every game--because her play in this game is 100% matching to her meta, just by remembering what her towngame is, I'd be able to tell if it were matching that or matching the opposite.

If I had seen her scumgame recently, would instantly be able to tell her alignment in every game--because her play in this game is 100% matching to her meta, just by remembering what her scumgame is, I'd be able to tell if it were matching that or matching the opposite.

FA's metas are distinct enough that I can instantly tell when she is playing to one of them.

But my memory is rusted enough that it's not 100% on which is which.

I am like 90% sure that this is the scum meta.
But I am 100% sure that she is playing 100% to the typical meta for her current alignment.

If I had seen FA more recently, I'd be able to make the 90% into a 100% and that would make me 100% sure on her 100% playing 100% to that alignment.
But the 90% on a 100% is still pretty damn high.

The only thing that keeps it from being the most lockread of lockread is being rusty on FA gameplay.

Her alignment is transparently obvious if you've played with her recently. It is 100% her Xgame, where X = her alignment this game. If you've seen her play, and if you know about the night/day difference, then you should be able to tell what X equals, and therefore have a 100% guaranteed accuracy on FA.

I just haven't played with her recently--thus, I need to look it up.
When I actually do my research and refresh my memory on which meta is which, I will know FA's alignment 100% because she is 100% playing to her meta for her current alignment and I know the differences between her two metas.


OH I JUST FIGURED OUT A MUCH SIMPLER WAY TO EXPLAIN ALL OF THIS.

Imagine that we're talking about Creature.
Say you know that Creature posts a shitload as one alignment, and hardcore lurks as the other.
You see this trait present in the current game, where he is either posting a shitload, or he is hardcore lurking. Not an in-between. 100% posting a shitload, or 100% hardcore lurking.

You know that this stark contrast is alignment-indicative for Creature.

But you don't remember which is which.
You're
pretty
sure that the hardcore lurking meta is the scum one. So, say this is a game where Creature is hardcore lurking. You are thus
pretty
sure that Creature is scum. You KNOW that he has a night/day difference between the town/scum metas, you can SEE the difference in live time by seeing that he is hardcore lurking and know that hardcore lurking is either the brightest of bright days or the darkest of dark nights in being a huge alignment indicators.
But you're rusty on Creature and can't FOR SURE remember it, in spite of being pretty sure it's the scum meta.


...Does that make sense?

That's my read on FA.
I am
pretty
sure that this meta is FA's scum one. So I am
pretty
sure that FA is scum. I KNOW she has a night/day difference between the town/scum metas, can SEE the difference in live time. But I'm rusty on FA and can't FOR SURE remember it, in spite of being pretty sure it's the scum meta.
Just read the two posts and see how she made zero evolotion on that "meta" read - 0 content checking in my current game and 0 explaining how the game actually connects to her image of my meta

or even 0 attempts to check out the meta and understand
it
better

how is this a town mind set attempting to solve the game
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