Cosmos Mafia (Dawn 1)

[Past Present Future]

Math says things and I don't believe he actually thinks them

He feels kind of genuine to me.
Ngl but mastina repeatedly saying similar things on FA doesn't feel like much of a progression.
I'm going to talk with my hydra partners first but I could potentially be down for a vote on her.
-Rubella

Your slot is probably my most confident tr in this game. Can you please elaborate some more on both of these things?

Math felt genuinely annoyed at mastina during his interactions with her. This could be scum!Math being annoyed at being caught or town!Math being annoyed at being falsely accused. I just feel like his reaction to mastina and ensuring interactions don't feel faked to me.
As for mastina's FA read, it feels like she hasn't made any effort to sort FA other than that she could be in her scum meta and that due to this one thing, FA has to be scum. It feels too confbiased and this might become a liability for us later.
-Rubella

I don't believe that she is confbiased. I just dont think she intends to solve my slot and is pretending to show her read more than what it is to act like she is confbiased.

if that makes sense.

I think that you might be right.
As PPF pointed out, mastina has made a case on Math but not on you.
I've talked to my hydra partners and they both think that mastina's meta read is scummy.
VOTE: mastina
-Rubella

Any theories as to why that is? I don’t understand why she keeps saying the 90% thing. @Mastina, why don’t you just look up an FA town and scumgame and give a verdict? I just don’t understand why she doesn’t do this irrespective of alignment.

[Frozen Angel]

Any theories as to why that is? I don’t understand why she keeps saying the 90% thing. @Mastina, why don’t you just look up an FA town and scumgame and give a verdict? I just don’t understand why she doesn’t do this irrespective of alignment.

this isnt a question asked of me but I explained why I think she is doing it here:

sorry for the headache of this post ^ and me showing it to you all again

This is the second time she made a large post about meta reading me that can be tldr'ed in "I think this fits her scum meta"

She keeps using the word 100% to make it look stronger but she fails to explain the connection or the meta and she is filling the entire post with the same sentences like "her town meta is completely distinct from her scum meta" and stuff like that to make it look its more than what it is?! she keeps going back and forth on same points "I'm rusty about her" to distance and then dive back in the same repeated sentence to make it look like she believes it.

I'm going to call this pure act.

from what I remember of mastina she always likes to take control, she might not make full connections to push a direction and skip few steps, drop shallow reads as strong ones and all that. But to go a step further to actually act like there is more to things than what she is saying when its blatant that there isn't? I think its just scum mastina

I would expect to be able to see where she is coming from - and not just about myself if it wasn't she faking her progression on things

In other words, I think its her attempt to make the read look more than what it is while looking like she earned to be conf biased against my slot and have that stance when she is self aware of it

[mastina]

I'm late for leaving for work but I have to say: any mentions of me not doing things should perhaps pay attention to how I was last active on Friday, I take Saturdays off, and then I got blindsided by a double-shift on Sunday that instead of leaving me with 8 hours of free time left me with only two and that for the last two days I have done literally everything I can to stay afloat but I'm not there yet because I genuinely haven't had the time thanks to the work double-shift. (Proof I haven't had time: if I had the time, I would've been reading the scum PT from Datisi's cafe and commenting on that game's scum PT's contents. I haven't, because that PT released either Saturday or Sunday, and lo and behold, I haven't been able to read it yet because I haven't had the time.)

But that content IS coming. Today I should have more time.

I am not going to respond to everything but why haven't I "updated" my read on FA?

Because my read is fucking accurate, that's why. Why update a read that's right? I know I'm right about my read there.

Why haven't I confirmed my 90% by looking for recent FA games to push it to 100%?

Because I fucking haven't had the time since before Saturday, that's why.
And before that, nobody had asked me to, so being a procrastinator that's highly a reactive player, I simply didn't think to. After people DID ask, I would love to have--but they didn't start asking until around Saturday.

[professotic]

Ok so

Mastina/PPF/Bunny is one team.

I want to say the other one contains at least one of Radical/Dingle.

[professotic]

Mastina’s vote and read on us is fake, I’ve explained how serval other of their things are fake.
And they are lying.


Y’all are nuts still thinking Mastina is town.

[professotic]

Trust me if I was on a team there is a decent chances I wouldn’t say this and just try and slowly kill the other team off without mentioning it.

[professotic]

If I’m not mistaken Dingle I’d Bella/Klick.

@Dingle
Tbh man I don’t really care if your the other team at this point tbh, I want Mastina the obvious wolf to be executed today.

It benefits your team getting rid of a member from the other team, vote it,

[professotic]

Also @Bella
I caught you in the last game just like I caught Mastina here, you know how I play.

[professotic]

@mastina.

Tip for next time when your wolf up against the great town Drapion.

In order to deceive him you either need to pocket him or avoid interacting with him.

Cause I’ll just catch any wolf who challenges/pushes me.

[MegAzumarill]

VC 1.0.9


Mastina (4) Frozen Angel, Mathblade, professotic, MMR [E-5]

professotic (2) Mastina, Yume,
Maid Cafe (2) Furtiveglance, Enchant

Radja (1) T-Bone
Yume (1) Past Present Future
MMR (1) Maid Cafe
furtiveglance (1) Bunnyonce
T-Bone (1) Radical Rat
Frozen Angel (1) Radja
Mathblade (1) Dingle Dangle Scarecrow


Not Voting (2) Child of Fairies, Save the Dragons,


With 17 Alive it takes 9 to Eliminate
Deadline: 4 Days*

*Deadline will not officially decrease below 4 days until replacements are found.

[mastina]

Btw I have been in a bad mood since Saturday (technically Friday night and onward) and haven't recovered since then. I was in a bad mood Sunday for even more obvious reasons, and my bad mood continued into yesterday.

Today is no different. I am still in a bad mood, worsened by being a hot mess. I was 40 minutes late waking up, still didn't get enough sleep in spite of that, had poor quality sleep, dealt with a wardrobe malfunction, left home without eating breakfast, was 20 minutes late for work, didn’t feed two very hungry cats, and more.

So, if I come across as overly hostile, my apologies. Best I can hope for is that this isn’t going to come across as a personal attack. I normally wouldn't post during times that I'm this angry since they risk getting me removed from the game and/or banned, but I genuinely have no choice but to.

On that note:
I realize that scumastina is well-known for falling behind.
But anyone trying to use that to shade me can fuck off. There's VERY obvious reasons for my inactivity here and struggling to stay up to date. Those factors happen regardless of my alignment and are thus NAI because they are rl-related.

What IS alignment indicative is my RESPONSE to the rl shit.
As scum, I literally do nothing when rl shit hits. The reasons vary, the results are near-universal: literally doing nothing.
And don't you fucking dare try to say, "but mastina, you're doing nothing right now".
I very clearly am not doing LITERALLY nothing.
When I say scumastina does literally nothing, I mean LITERALLY NOTHING BUT PROD DODGING, zero content in the prodges. Literally. Zero.

You can say I'm not doing MUCH right now, but that "not much" is still higher than the absolute zero which is the actual scumastina tell. I, very clearly, am trying.

On that note, more about my FA read in this game:
My FA read in this game is very similar to my StD read in the two concurrent games, Pokémon Gen1+2 and Gypyx's AI Upick.
I knew that StD had a night/day difference between his town play and his scumplay, but I didn’t remember which was which.
I could tell that he was playing to his meta, but I initially didn’t have the time to sort which was which. Like FA is this game, I had a fairly high level of confidence in remembering the tell differentiating his towngame and scumgame. But I didn’t have the time to research which was which, until much much later.

So while I knew that there was a night/day difference between his alignments, I didn't know for SURE which was which. My read on him was only about 90%, until I had the time to do the research.

That took weeks for me to find the time to do, but once I finally DID do the research, the 90% jumped to 100%.

Same story here.
I know FA has a night/day difference between her towngame and scumgame, same way StD did back then.
I am pretty sure that I know which is which, at 90%, same as back then for StD.
But I haven't had the time to do the research YET. It took weeks, closer to MONTHS, for me to find the time to do that for StD.

And here, it hasn't been weeks closer to months for FA, now, has it?
So, I WILL do the research. When I have the time. I just haven't yet, because, y'know.
Too much rl shit.

I'm pretty sure that this is the scum half for FA tho.

On the note of StD tho, since those games where I did the research, since then, I've not been wrong on my StD read since then. After I did my homework, my read rate on him became flawless.

Which is why I know that he's town this game.

I am sure that in a future FA game, I'll point to this game and say the same for her then as I'm saying for StD now.

[professotic]

I realize that scumastina is well-known for falling behind.
But anyone trying to use that to shade me can fuck off.“

This was never a single one of my reasons.
Activity is NAI.


Your obsessed with Meta when the Meta your providing is factionally wrong and you are just saying shit (least to our slot) with nothing to go with it, aka fake.

[professotic]

“When I say scumastina does literally nothing, I mean LITERALLY NOTHING BUT PROD DODGING, zero content in the prodges. Literally. Zero.”

I’ve seen multiple players used this exact reasoning, more then you’d expect.
Stuff like this doesn’t mean a thing.
Wolves also say this and so does town so this statement is NAI.

But to say you aren’t wolf cause “no low activity” is utter bullshit.

[professotic]

Look idc how much you discredit your own wolf games, it doesn’t stop you from being a wolf using any excuse you can find to justify how you “aren’t a wolf”


Your entire meta shit this entire game is fake and wrong.

[professotic]

Mastina is avoiding the stuff that I say.
Refusing to interact with me cause they know I’m right.


I consider this a win win.
Drapion 1, Wolves Zero.

[mastina]

Btw for obvious reasons, I didn't want to say this out loud, but fuckit, sure, why not.


Another reason (as if I needed more) that I think that MathBlade is scum is because of his role breadcrumbs.

Obviously, I could be wrong about what he's breadcrumbing.

But it looks to me like he's breadcrumbing a role that is basically my role.
Obviously, I could be off-base. Mistaken entirely about what role he is hinting to have.

But if I wasn’t phoneposting from work, I could pull up the post from him that looks to me like he's claiming my role.

Suffice to say, I have zero interest in claiming today (the NUMEROUS breadcrumbs I've given already should be plenty sufficient for when I do claim), but when I eventually do claim, I'll point out the MathBlade posts which made me think that he's trying to claim what's essentially my role.

By virtue of it BEING my role, naturally, I don’t think that him having it would be town. And this isn’t a case of mirror roles, either.

But for obvious reasons, I shouldn't elaborate further. Even this much is arguably too much.

[furtiveglance]

A few thoughts:
1) I like this votecount format, the lines between the wagons helps a lot.
2) 4 of my townreads are on Mastina but I don't think it's a good vote still. Pre-empting the 'why wouldn't scum get on' argument, I feel like they don't really need to.
3) Radical Rat's vote for T-Bone may be worth following because both slots seem to be null/scum for a lot of people, and they aren't on a team.
4) I was/am assuming 13/2/2 in terms of the numbers, maybe with a recruit or something. 11/3/3 seems too scumsided if both teams have a kill.
5) I would like more votes on Maid Cafe, but I'm also happy to lend traction to other wagons by voting: Radical Rat/T-Bone (preference T-Bone), Bunnyonce, Yume, Child of Fairies, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow or Enchant.

[Radical Rat]

Btw for obvious reasons, I didn't want to say this out loud, but fuckit, sure, why not.


Another reason (as if I needed more) that I think that MathBlade is scum is because of his role breadcrumbs.

Obviously, I could be wrong about what he's breadcrumbing.

But it looks to me like he's breadcrumbing a role that is basically my role.
Obviously, I could be off-base. Mistaken entirely about what role he is hinting to have.

But if I wasn’t phoneposting from work, I could pull up the post from him that looks to me like he's claiming my role.

Suffice to say, I have zero interest in claiming today (the NUMEROUS breadcrumbs I've given already should be plenty sufficient for when I do claim), but when I eventually do claim, I'll point out the MathBlade posts which made me think that he's trying to claim what's essentially my role.

By virtue of it BEING my role, naturally, I don’t think that him having it would be town. And this isn’t a case of mirror roles, either.

But for obvious reasons, I shouldn't elaborate further. Even this much is arguably too much.

Still haven't read, every time I try my brain just loses focus and I end up doing something else.

I do want to address this post though, because I think it's a big one. I said earlier the impression I got from the brief bit of mastina vs. MathBlade I saw was that they both believed what they were saying and were pushing in earnest, making them either both Town, or opposing scum factions.

And now mastina's saying she thinks MathBlade's role is her role.... And that sounds to me like opposing scum factions. Makes sense that with two scum groups, they'd each have similar abilities to balance each other. Whereas giving two Townies the same role is much less likely. And I can't imagine scum just HAPPENS to pick a fakeclaim in a Theme with nonstandard roles that matches a real role Town has.

I'm not voting again until I've read properly, but I would prefer Mastina first because even if she's wrong about MathBlade's role, I think this logic is coming from a scum perspective.

[MathBlade]

It’s okay. Mastina’s fishing. It’s why I was laughing so darn hard because she’s made it clear she has no idea what my role is.

But she has caught on that I am breadcrumbing.

I dunno maybe the big gif of crumbs made it obvious.

But if she actually had a clue to my role she doesn’t make certain posts she did.

So at least one scum team doesn’t know my role.

[MathBlade]

Btw for obvious reasons, I didn't want to say this out loud, but fuckit, sure, why not.


Another reason (as if I needed more) that I think that MathBlade is scum is because of his role breadcrumbs.

Obviously, I could be wrong about what he's breadcrumbing.

But it looks to me like he's breadcrumbing a role that is basically my role.
Obviously, I could be off-base. Mistaken entirely about what role he is hinting to have.

But if I wasn’t phoneposting from work, I could pull up the post from him that looks to me like he's claiming my role.

Suffice to say, I have zero interest in claiming today (the NUMEROUS breadcrumbs I've given already should be plenty sufficient for when I do claim), but when I eventually do claim, I'll point out the MathBlade posts which made me think that he's trying to claim what's essentially my role.

By virtue of it BEING my role, naturally, I don’t think that him having it would be town. And this isn’t a case of mirror roles, either.

But for obvious reasons, I shouldn't elaborate further. Even this much is arguably too much.

Still haven't read, every time I try my brain just loses focus and I end up doing something else.

I do want to address this post though, because I think it's a big one. I said earlier the impression I got from the brief bit of mastina vs. MathBlade I saw was that they both believed what they were saying and were pushing in earnest, making them either both Town, or opposing scum factions.

And now mastina's saying she thinks MathBlade's role is her role.... And that sounds to me like opposing scum factions. Makes sense that with two scum groups, they'd each have similar abilities to balance each other. Whereas giving two Townies the same role is much less likely. And I can't imagine scum just HAPPENS to pick a fakeclaim in a Theme with nonstandard roles that matches a real role Town has.

I'm not voting again until I've read properly, but I would prefer Mastina first because even if she's wrong about MathBlade's role, I think this logic is coming from a scum perspective.

Oh no. If Mastina realized what my actual role was she’d have left me alone to laugh at me.

My role necessitates me crumbing as without such it’s a scum claim.

[MathBlade]

So since I am absolutely town I needed to crumb it quite literally is not an option not to.

[MathBlade]

And the no time is not an excuse. She spent 3-4 hours doing nothing but bringing up my ISO and trying to make a case in isolation.

I have asked her several times for an overview and called out she didn’t.

And now she has attempts at teams but it’s not the same as the game linked.

She prioritized spamming a disorganized unthoughtout case over getting caught up.

And she didn’t even do it right.

It’s anti spew.

I am beyond caring atm.

[furtiveglance]

Is MathBlade softing Cult Recruiter? I missed it

[MathBlade]

Clearly /sarcasm (obviously sarcastic)

[furtiveglance]

Clearly /sarcasm (obviously sarcastic)

Can you explain what role Mastina thinks you're crumbing? Do you know? Is this something I 'wouldn't understand'?