Cosmos Mafia (Dawn 1)

[Past Present Future]

Also this post by PPF feels aligned.
“her emotional reactions read ridiculously over the top and extremely fake to me. She sounds genuinely tilted here.”
^ Referring to Mastina town meta.

Well thing is. Her reads ARE over the top and fake.
Their read on me is completely fake.
them thinking every player who voted them is a wolf is definitely fake and especially saying how they immediately teamed together.
Saying all the wolves are voting them is very fucking fake.


Your post thinking it’s not is very bad.

I’m basing it on a game I played with her, where she sounded tonally different. I’ve seen her make similar posts like 913 in her towngames before.

[MathBlade]

@FA, what do you think of Radja's explanation of why they commented on our post, but not other similar posts?

[...]
Don't think it's Mastina either

Why not?

-Aisa

@professor do you mean here?

This looks more like collaborating or hunting furtive than helping Mastina?

[MathBlade]

I like the entire ISO of Maid cafe, they are my one town read. My other town reads are all the people who were insignificant enough to not show up on my radar, except for the ones who aren't.

if town, mastina's mindset is a carefree town player who isn't afraid to draw attention to herself and cause trouble in a good way to catch mafia. if scum mastina is trying to control the narrative and be reckless (in appearance) town leader. Mastina accused math of trying to get rid of a threat, yet the same could be said both ways.

Scum mastina as reckless town leader doesn't make it to endgame, probably gets killed by bop or something, or nightkilled if its multiball like everyone says. If its multiball and scumastina knows its multiball, why draw attention to yourself? You could get nightkilled. Town and scum mathblade have similar motivations: survival, making it hard to read. I know mathblade is strong enough to fake the towny things they've said like not caring if they die early if not town.

In conclusion: How the hell am i supposed to know.

Onto my more valuable thoughts:

- Many people have called radical rat mafia, yet not a single person has voted there and had it show up in a vote count.
- Because I know I am a weak reader, I would very happily vote for some null people like the hydras with three word names, since I remember reading somewhere weak players are more likely to nullread mafia.
- As annoying as the strong voices mastina/mathblade are in a large game where I can name maybe 10-11 people, imagine if we kept them both alive and sniped a mafia d1. that would be sick.

I'll read the other half later. As for all the people who posted while I was reading, I am following absolutely nothing you are talking about.

VOTE: Radical Rat

I like this post.
But I have to argue that Radical Rat’s vote on Mastina was Townie.

@Scarf
Thoughts in regards to that?

Seconded on liking the post overall as well.

Scarf can be in my townblock.

The RR vote is okay. Would have to be unpaired with Mastina. I don’t hate it although I think RR probably town.

[Maid Cafe]

Spending time with family tonight UNVOTE: I already knew MMR wasn't gonna happen but I could've held out hope. Might check in later when I'm not losing in Sorry.

[Scarfmanship]

@rat, post 930? I didn't read that far yet. It's a pretty good post, second half of his iso isn't so bad either out of context. Maybe I should be voting one of the people who light scumread him but never voted him, oops i lost those posts oh well. I don't agree all of it, however, there's lot of merit to eliminating the sources of chaos in town. There's also merit to painting someone as a source of chaos if you want to get them killed, which is what math could be doing every time he says welcome back to the thread, please focus on me vs. mastina as he has done with myself and enchant.

Will probably unvote RR and vote a 3 word hydra or some null read later when i finish reading if RR is as town as people say in the next 20 pages. Currently leaning towards keeping both math and mastina alive for a day and letting nightkills/night actions/a sick d1 mafia flip sort them out. This runs the risk of having town devolve into chaos if their voices are too strong so it requires everyone else to keep their heads on straight.

[mastina]

Btw the folks that have said I am ignoring them/not responding to them/not explaining things/etc. are also being disingenuous as fuck and hard-scum for it because no fucking shit I've not responded to everything, I have had a hellish half a week or so which is looking to only get worse. (Pretty sure I'm sick now. And I can't go to sleep yet. I

could

nap, but if I nap, that means I don't get caught up tonight. So I can't nap. Can't nap, can't sleep, am probably sick, got two more days of work, so like. Objectively, I

shouldn't

be here. I'm here tho because I have to be. I don't want to not read/respond to key areas of the game. That's the nuclear option of absolute last resort. To prevent that from happening, I need to keep fighting to get caught up.)

(That said, literally anyone who has played with me should know that this is MILES out of my scum range. Like. Literally leagues out. And I mean out of my scumrange period. It's out of my multiball scumrange. And anyone who has played with me before pretending that this is in any way shape or form remotely similar to a past scumgame of mine? Is a fucking liar because it's self-evidently not.)

[MathBlade]

Btw the folks that have said I am ignoring them/not responding to them/not explaining things/etc. are also being disingenuous as fuck and hard-scum for it because no fucking shit I've not responded to everything, I have had a hellish half a week or so which is looking to only get worse. (Pretty sure I'm sick now. And I can't go to sleep yet. I

could

nap, but if I nap, that means I don't get caught up tonight. So I can't nap. Can't nap, can't sleep, am probably sick, got two more days of work, so like. Objectively, I

shouldn't

be here. I'm here tho because I have to be. I don't want to not read/respond to key areas of the game. That's the nuclear option of absolute last resort. To prevent that from happening, I need to keep fighting to get caught up.)

(That said, literally anyone who has played with me should know that this is MILES out of my scum range. Like. Literally leagues out. And I mean out of my scumrange period. It's out of my multiball scumrange. And anyone who has played with me before pretending that this is in any way shape or form remotely similar to a past scumgame of mine? Is a fucking liar because it's self-evidently not.)

As a person I hope you feel better.

In the mafia game you spent 3-4 hours selectively posting out of my ISO instead of “catching up” then complaining there’s not time to catch up. I think if you’re not caught up but yet somehow thoroughly convinced I am scum is very disingenuous.

I think that after you’re caught up and still think I am scum (I would find that hard to believe) then if you’re town it’s protown and if you’re scum it’s proscum.

I think you are scum but as a player of any alignment this is ridiculous.

The only thing you probably have done is convince everyone I am town (which is correct) but is the opposite of your stated goal.

Right now I think you’re scum and I am trying to be nice about things here as I have seen you this level of tilted as scum before. Please focus.

[T-Bone]

I am thinking Mastina and furtive are teamed.

Mastina is town for me, T-Bone's vote is a scum pile-on.

Well your normally wrong on reads so this doesn’t surprise me.

Says the guy who faked a guilty in LOST!

GOTTEM

[professotic]

Btw the folks that have said I am ignoring them/not responding to them/not explaining things/etc. are also being disingenuous as fuck and hard-scum for it because no fucking shit I've not responded to everything, I have had a hellish half a week or so which is looking to only get worse. (Pretty sure I'm sick now. And I can't go to sleep yet. I

could

nap, but if I nap, that means I don't get caught up tonight. So I can't nap. Can't nap, can't sleep, am probably sick, got two more days of work, so like. Objectively, I

shouldn't

be here. I'm here tho because I have to be. I don't want to not read/respond to key areas of the game. That's the nuclear option of absolute last resort. To prevent that from happening, I need to keep fighting to get caught up.)

(That said, literally anyone who has played with me should know that this is MILES out of my scum range. Like. Literally leagues out. And I mean out of my scumrange period. It's out of my multiball scumrange. And anyone who has played with me before pretending that this is in any way shape or form remotely similar to a past scumgame of mine? Is a fucking liar because it's self-evidently not.)

Lmao.

“Your lock wolf for being concerned”

Like bro, instead of complaining how about you stop being fake and give some actual shit.

I don’t give a fuck about your inactivity, this doesn’t prevent you from doing something when you are on.

Like here, you had the nerve to make this damn post but had no nerve to explain your read on our slot.

I fail to understand how what you have done in any way is town aligned. Cause I’ve seen multiple wolfy posts from you and fake shit.

I’m town, as town I am consistently communicating with others and making solves.

I understand you are busy or whatever but if you want to properly play the damn game you need to do something better then complain, make fake solves and talk about meta.
I’m serious, activity isn’t an excuse, I’ll take whatever you can provide with the low activity you have.
Cause from how I see this your just an obvious wolf right now.

[mastina]

It’s not so much whether Mastina makes sense but if she has an overarching view or not.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=87275
Scum game.
Here her main topic or thread was Chrono trigger / cross sprinkled with reads

Instead she has empty statements and doesn’t look at the game as a whole.

The gist is
Mastina is not looking at the overarching game and instead hyper focusing (see above for difference)
Her posts seem to be factually correct but overall meaningless (Eg town and scum exist in the game. Well duh)
The things that aren’t meaningless are skewed in a weird way (Eg the 52% is well within the standard deviation. If I do something as town or scum then by definition it’s NAI. Her *best* example of me being scum is NAI. That should tell you I am not scum)

Btw going through MathBlade's iso for a different reason and all of these posts in particular are disingenuous as fuck in various ways which prove MathBlade is scum.

640 gives an accurate link to what my scumgame is. Notice something in that game? There was genuinely no effort. I posted the absolute bare minimum and did fuckall of anything. TRUE fuckall of anything. Genuinely did nothing.

To say that game is anything REMOTELY like this game is egregious as fuck. This game is night/day to that one.

A lot of the disjointed nature of my posting can be attributed to the obvious: that I have had a fucking shitty week that is only getting worse and worse and that trying to present coherent thoughts is basically impossible. There is NO world where MathBlade as town doesn't realize a town-mastina with rl shit going on is going to be more "all over" the place. (Which btw is actually a towntell so MathBlade presenting it as a scumtell is itself MathBlade outright lying about my meta.)

My statements are not "factually correct but overall meaningless". The statements have meaning and purpose. All of them are describing WHY my reads are what they are and giving backing for them.

I have an overarching view and have been VERY clear about it all.

LOCKTOWN:
{Past Present Future, Save The Dragons, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow} (most locktown of locktown)
TOWN:
{Yume}
{Maid Cafe, MMR}

TOWNLEAN:
{furtiveglance}
{Enchant}
{T-Bone}

NULL:
{Child of Fairies}


{Radja}


ALSO SCUM BUT DIFFERENT:
{Bunnyonce, Radical Rat}

SCUM:
{Korina/MathBlade, Frozen Angel*, professotic}

Past Present Future is town because literally all three heads are in their town metas. Nancy in particular is the easiest player onsite to read and literally every player not townreading Nancy who has played with her before is automatically suspect for not seeing it because literally all of them should be agreeing with this townread of her.
Auro's stances are exactly the reasoned statements that I have come to know and expect from him as town. They are the casual, but analytical, reasonable, posts of a town player trying to game solve with decent logic and points.
Titus's absentmindedness while providing unusual takes and overall direction is basically town.
And then their hydra talk is transparently not fake and also strongly indicative that they are town. You can tell from the topics they are discussing that they are solving the game without any agenda, and it shows in their play.

Save the Dragons has a night and day town/scum meta where as scum he basically wallposts and is super duper serious while also callous. As town, however, he is basically a spamposter, casual, laid-back, low-pressure, jokey, but still solving.

Klick is playing exactly to his town meta, where he is posting good reads, good takes, with good logic and being active.

Yume's opening posts contained a towntell I don't want to disclose, but also she has since shown some of her more signature traits (ahhh, I'm not in a headspace where I can describe this in a way that isn't rude--the traits aren't bad but I don't have a way to word the traits which doesn't

sound

bad).

Maid Cafe I admit is basically just gut. (Tho that said they're not partnered with MathBlade and they're not partnered with Radical Rat, so if my reads on MB and RR are correct, town by proxy.)

MMR is showing towntells from all three heads. Their views are reasonable, but not too perfect. Flawed, but more good than not. And the dissonance isn't faked, yet is not dissonance pointing to a scum alignment. Their stances, their posts, all show the perspective of three town players who have some similar takes but haven't gotten 100% on the same page, in a way that is basically just town.

furtiveglance is not posting the way he did in Datisi's Maid Cafe, where he was a serial killer. His posting is entirely different tonality and content-wise. His approach is self-evidently different, with him being basically...doing entirely different things. This one I probably can explain better but I shouldn't need to because Datisi's Cafe should still be fresh in people's minds so it should be easy enough to see what he was like there and how he isn't that, here.

Enchant I'm like 75% (give or take 5%) sure this is his town meta.

T-Bone is mostly just gut. (With a side of I don't think his hop onto me was scum--just dumb.)


Child of Fairies has no posts so being null needs no explanation.

Radja I don't really like the content of, but not enough to be strongly scum. PoE is a good slot-in, probably, but not entirely sure.

Bunnyonce, Greeting's posts are

good

, but look exactly like what I would expect scum-Greeting to be doing this game: being reasonable and logical enough to not be seen as town, but being passive enough to not be town enough to get nightkilled. Playing in a way that is, so to speak: "safe". Not being too confrontational, not being too vocal, being reasonable but not front and center with it.
Aisa I have no familiarity with but I get the same vibe: playing safe. In multiball. Not too town, but not too scum. Deliberately not performing at the highest level, but also not deliberately putting in too little.

Radical Rat, this is a more recent read but I want a full post to explain this.

Korina, I explained why his post was a scumclaim: it didn't have the content of an RVS post, but was made without reading. If it had been an RVS post it'd have been town, or if it had been done after reading it'd have been town, but a reasonless vote without reading is why it was scum.
MathBlade I have devoted countless posts towards why he's scum and there's countless more to follow.

professotic has tictac not showing any of their town traits, while showing scum traits.
Professor is also playing to TSE's scumplay with their tone, phrasing, etc.
Both of them are posting reads and reasons that have the semblance of their towngame, but are lackluster compared to the real thing. Cheap imitations, made by having some genuine reads but knowing that they still have to fake things.

Frozen Angel I am pretty sure is in her scumgame. It has to do with her opening focus and what she was doing, her tone, her wording, etc. Her areas of thinking are key, and the points she is/isn't raising. This is something that I DO intend to explain--when I actually have done the work to bump that 90% up to 100%. FA is definitely in ONE meta.

{FA, professotic, MathBlade} have all protected each other and all to varying degrees have suspicion on {Radja, Bunnyonce, Radical Rat}.
{Bunnyonce, Radical Rat, Radja} have all given clear signs they're not scum with any of FA/professotic/MathBlade, but they all fit as scum with each other.

5/6 of them have shown suspicion on me that kicked off after my "approximately 6 scum" post--indicating that they thought I was scum, by having TMI.


These are as clear as views get. There's no ambiguity to be had. I've not wavered on the FA read like MathBlade has implied. My read there--scumread--has been quite consistent the entire time; implying otherwise is disingenuous as fuck.

[professotic]

Your busy with work and you feel sick.
I get it.
But again you took the time to post that and some other things so you can have the nerf to do more then “wolf due to meta cause lol”

I’m sorry, but that ain’t Townie or a real reason.

[professotic]

*Ah Hem*

“professotic has tictac not showing any of their town traits, while showing scum traits.
Professor is also playing to TSE's scumplay with their tone, phrasing, etc.
Both of them are posting reads and reasons that have the semblance of their towngame, but are lackluster compared to the real thing. Cheap imitations, made by having some genuine reads but knowing that they still have to fake things.”

Well this is better. Thanks.


Again as I said before, in Hydra chat TicTac was sus of you for not reading them correctly.
What about my tone and/or phrasing do you not like? Can you provide an example?

Your saying we are both “imitating are town meta but not to the extent of our actual town meta”
But yet again, I don’t see anything that shows why you think that.

“Genuine reads but still fake things”
My reads are genuine cause I’m town and What am I faking exactly?

[MathBlade]

LOCKTOWN:
{Past Present Future, Save The Dragons} (most locktown of locktown)
TOWN:
{Yume, Radical Rat, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow}
{Maid Cafe, MMR}

TOWNLEAN:
{furtiveglance}
{Enchant}
{T-Bone}


{Child of Fairies}
{Radja}


{Bunnyonce}

SCUM:
{Korina}

{Frozen Angel}

{professotic}

This is not an overarching view. It’s a read wall.

Again look at the town you sample I cited earlier.

You have not tried to explain the game state or what I am doing.

You’re literally incorrect and will not focus and readjust.

Then say you’re incoherent and it’s to be expected like that’s suddenly “oh all is fine I will sheep the ridiculousness now”.

Even if I take every one of your premises as true (which I don’t) when I am scum I am usually one of the best scum players on site (lost was a rare exception because Covid).

I want you to focus so I can sort you and find spew

If you don’t the only thing you’re heading towards is either being correctly scum elimmed or policy.

Please make an attempt to catch up and a coherent argument.

[MathBlade]

I literally am no longer going to interact with your walls anymore unless asked to by someone else

I have townread wall to do.

[mastina]

Fair that you think that but I am more wanting to figure out the size of the teams rather than particular roles. If I can find the teams I can find the people. And if I can find the people then that’s where I will be good.

Anyone here can speak to me finding roles without fishing rather easily. So I guess I am people fishing more than role fishing.
Trying to set up my vision to speak on the right targets.

I am keeping my scope on you Mastina.

Don’t worry. I don’t think I will be yeeted this game.
Call it a good hunch.

I think the Mastina problem takes care of herself.

And I don’t think Mastina escapes.
I don’t have to have Mastina today.

I think you’re panicking here without reading between the lines.
I am not interested in a fight that can be resolved later when I have ample evidence to explain my case.

Mastina while she’s clearly scum to me I don’t think will be a problem.
If I die and she’s not dead then full steam ahead imho.
But until then I can watch, wait, and see.

We vibin
We rollin

Because it’d end up being a page and page shit fest today and I think there’s more ways to be productive.
———-
Where I want you
———-
Where you are
If you get my jist

You’re either elimmed or I get to E-1 I claim then you’re elimmed.

I am 95% sure you are scum here because you haven’t seen the many many many hints if you are scum as to just how dead you are if you some how successful in miselimming me.

If you’re town on that 5% odds you are, back the fuck off. Now.
A good half if not more realizes exactly what I am doing here Mastina.
You are quite literally dead wrong pretty soon if you don’t re-evaluate.
It’s only a matter of when, not if.

if I become tunnel me it’s even more disastrous than usual for my tunnel game. If that doesn’t spell out

exactly

why I am playing this game the way I am and why I want people to provide that overview it will become painfully apparent.

Like you’re walking in a heavenly bakery and calling it hell bad.

I am giving your slot a chance to be sorted.

And if she doesn’t may the mod have blessing on our souls

I am also being deliberate in trying *not* to be the focus of attention believe it or not.

Again my posts are cooking and I know Titus is busy but that post I asked you to show her hopefully will explain a lot if you’re town. Or will at least point her at things she needs to see if she is town.
And if I am dead tomorrow *whelp*

I wanna cry at how close you are to seeing something.
Like if you’re town you’re like *right there* if you can see the itty bitty pieces of what’s there then look at those posts for the itty bitty pieces and why what Mastina is doing even giving her the benefit of the doubt she is town is so destructive.
I WANT to not have to make any more posts or as little as possible for days.

And most importantly of all:

Ask me on Day 2 (not Dusk 2) if I live. Then if it’s still scum influenced I’d be worried.

If I flip before MathBlade does, look at these series of posts when MathBlade inevitably tries to pivot his claim away from these breadcrumbs of what his role is when he realizes he was trying to claim MY role as his.

[MathBlade]

I mean you might as well have told scum.

I'm either a Day 2 or Dusk 2 day vig.

I wanted to sit and get reads and fucking listen to people.

FFS I'm literally confirmable.

[MathBlade]

Can we please elim Mastina now?!?!?!

[MathBlade]

I wanted ONE FUCKING GAME where I'm not the center of attention. Where I could actually have a goddamn town block and work with it and work with people.

I EVEN EXPLICITLY SAID I WAS BEING STRATEGIC.

LIKE OMFG.

It's literally a scum claim to just up and day vig someone without a hella lot of crumbs and communication.

[MathBlade]

That s why I had no choice but to do it. But instead you make it out like some master evil plan.

NO I JUST WANTED TO WORK WITH PEOPLE.

instead you decided not to let me and you force a fucking claim.

I hope you get speed elimmed so fast I hit refresh and I see your scum flip.

[professotic]

I mean you might as well have told scum.

I'm either a Day 2 or Dusk 2 day vig.

I wanted to sit and get reads and fucking listen to people.

FFS I'm literally confirmable.

I’m also confirmable.

Mastina is a wolf trying to get town to out for claims so they can get their team and the other wolf team ideas to night kill.

[MathBlade]

I am fully aware of this fact Professor.
You’re talking as if you think I am some

novice

or something.
Let it go.
Mastina while she’s clearly scum to me I don’t think will be a problem.
If I die and she’s not dead then full steam ahead imho.
But until then I can watch, wait, and see.

Like--this post literally looks like it was meant to be in the scum PT.

Genuinely.

(I do need to leave tho, I'm late for bed. Technically not because 20 minutes from now, but since it'll take me twice that long to finish bed prep am already late. So p20 is my cutoff, sorry. I tried!)

This post had me laughing and it's what I alluded to with the colors.

You said this was meant for scum PT. It's actually yet another crumb.

[professotic]

If Mastina is town they need to start acting like it cause they are playing so anti town right now and getting 2 town to claim Confirmability isn’t the way to go.

[professotic]

So I’m just going to hope I’m correct on saying Mastina is Obvious Wolf here.

[MathBlade]

I mean you might as well have told scum.

I'm either a Day 2 or Dusk 2 day vig.

I wanted to sit and get reads and fucking listen to people.

FFS I'm literally confirmable.

I’m also confirmable.

Mastina is a wolf trying to get town to out for claims so they can get their team and the other wolf team ideas to night kill.

I was already dead anyway

Now the entire game is either going to kill me or buddy me making reads nigh on goddamn impossible.

Like sometimes I wanna just scream. I wanna curl up and cry right now.

If Mastina is town and saw and outed those crumbs she deserves this elim.

Like fuck I need to finish my read wall because I'm deader than a doornail probably.

[professotic]

“ If I flip before MathBlade does, look at these series of posts when MathBlade inevitably tries to pivot his claim away from these breadcrumbs of what his role is when he realizes he was trying to claim MY role as his.”

You know what, I’m just going to be an ass and fucking spite you.
If your a wolf, idc if Math is part of the other wolf team, I’ll never vote him ever.
Just cause of you.