Cosmos Mafia (Dawn 1)

[professotic]

“ If I flip before MathBlade does, look at these series of posts when MathBlade inevitably tries to pivot his claim away from these breadcrumbs of what his role is when he realizes he was trying to claim MY role as his.”

You know what, I’m just going to be an ass and fucking spite you.
If your a wolf, idc if Math is part of the other wolf team, I’ll never vote him ever.
Just cause of you.

Again I don’t mean this to be rude.
But I can be spiteful.

[professotic]

I'm either a Day 2 or Dusk 2 day vig.

Okay not my role but I don't believe that to be a town role; I think that's a scum role for one specific reason:

¤

Solar Cult and Lunar Cult

- These are the two scum factions.

They have nonstandard factional abilities

A D2 dayvig sounds a lot like a nonstandard factional ability to me!

If I was making them myself.

I’d give Lunar a Link (link player to another player so they die together if they die.)
And I’d give Solar either an arsonist variant or a day kill.

[professotic]

Math let me make something clear to you.

Furtive is less aligned with Mastina then Bunny.

Stop with your damn bias ness boy.

Like look at Bunny trying to push up that Rat wagon.
Bunny was using Furtive and purposely trying to make them look aligned with Mastina.

Your argument is also invalid cause as wolf idk about you but I’m not afraid to interact with my partners the same way bunny is doing to Mastina.

[professotic]

Sometimes I'm worse.

But this game I'm not. I call building a town block on D1 a huge fucking improvement.

We're elimming Mastina. The only choice is whether or not you're on board.

I agree with Math on this one.

[professotic]

I don't support voting out

mastina

. I think she's town and her play is no different to what I've seen in my last game with her.

~Greeting

@Math

Bro I’m telling you Bunny and PPF are both mafia desperately trying to save their teammate.

[professotic]

VOTE: Radical Rat

For dodging questions. Other head free to change it, but I would like to put some pressure there first. Aisa believes

furtiveglance

started to enact his town meta so we would be moving this vote anyway.

~Greeting

This is a wolf using the blatant town read excuse to try to insist them to vote on the Rat wagon to save their teammate.
Classic wolf play.

Don’t fall for it Furtive.

[professotic]

@furtive
Be smart.

One wolf team is legit all outed right now.
Stay focused.

[Past Present Future]

I don't support voting out

mastina

. I think she's town and her play is no different to what I've seen in my last game with her.

~Greeting

@Math

Bro I’m telling you Bunny and PPF are both mafia desperately trying to save their teammate.

Prof, I’d tell you exactly what I think but I doubt it’s worth the consequences.

I wish it was possible to policy half a hydra.

[MathBlade]

Math let me make something clear to you.

Furtive is less aligned with Mastina then Bunny.

Stop with your damn bias ness boy.

Like look at Bunny trying to push up that Rat wagon.
Bunny was using Furtive and purposely trying to make them look aligned with Mastina.

Your argument is also invalid cause as wolf idk about you but I’m not afraid to interact with my partners the same way bunny is doing to Mastina.

I am at one at a time. Get Mastina then argue the others.

This is very infuriating.

[Bunnyonce]

VOTE: Radical Rat

For dodging questions. Other head free to change it, but I would like to put some pressure there first. Aisa believes

furtiveglance

started to enact his town meta so we would be moving this vote anyway.

~Greeting

This is a wolf using the blatant town read excuse to try to insist them to vote on the Rat wagon to save their teammate.
Classic wolf play.

Don’t fall for it Furtive.

What?

The

furtiveglance

slot's performance has improved recently and it was actually Aisa who pointed that out to me, which implies that she is starting to townread him. We are a hydra and we cooperate when playing the game so the vote was doomed to being moved anyway. Why are you indirectly defending

Radical Rat

, who actually did not answer my questions and made 11 posts as of page 43?

~Greeting

[furtiveglance]

@furtive
Be smart.

One wolf team is legit all outed right now.
Stay focused.

Jarvis, turn on focus mode.

Wow now im focused n i agree with everything u say

[MathBlade]

@furtive
Be smart.

One wolf team is legit all outed right now.
Stay focused.

Jarvis, turn on focus mode.

Wow now im focused n i agree with everything u say

I can’t tell if this is sarcastic or not.

If it’s not please join the Mastina wagon.

[Radical Rat]

I'm either a Day 2 or Dusk 2 day vig.

Okay not my role but I don't believe that to be a town role; I think that's a scum role for one specific reason:

¤

Solar Cult and Lunar Cult

- These are the two scum factions.

They have nonstandard factional abilities

A D2 dayvig sounds a lot like a nonstandard factional ability to me!

This is ridiculous. You could make that argument for literally any role that isn't a nightkill...

Also since you were claiming to have the same role... This argument would also apply directly to you.

[Radical Rat]

VOTE: Radical Rat

For dodging questions. Other head free to change it, but I would like to put some pressure there first. Aisa believes

furtiveglance

started to enact his town meta so we would be moving this vote anyway.

~Greeting

I apologize, I still haven't really read the thread yet, I probably just missed the questions.

I'm trying to be more active in spite of not having read properly to avoid falling further behind though, so what questions did you have?

[Radical Rat]

I'm either a Day 2 or Dusk 2 day vig.

Okay not my role but I don't believe that to be a town role; I think that's a scum role for one specific reason:

¤

Solar Cult and Lunar Cult

- These are the two scum factions.

They have nonstandard factional abilities

A D2 dayvig sounds a lot like a nonstandard factional ability to me!

This is ridiculous. You could make that argument for literally any role that isn't a nightkill...

Also since you were claiming to have the same role... This argument would also apply directly to you.

Okay apparently I can't read and missed the part where you said it wasn't your role, disregard second sentence

[MathBlade]

@rat, post 930? I didn't read that far yet. It's a pretty good post, second half of his iso isn't so bad either out of context. Maybe I should be voting one of the people who light scumread him but never voted him, oops i lost those posts oh well. I don't agree all of it, however, there's lot of merit to eliminating the sources of chaos in town. There's also merit to painting someone as a source of chaos if you want to get them killed, which is what math could be doing every time he says welcome back to the thread, please focus on me vs. mastina as he has done with myself and enchant.

Will probably unvote RR and

vote a 3 word hydra

or some null read later when i finish reading if RR is as town as people say in the next 20 pages. Currently leaning towards keeping both math and mastina alive for a day and letting nightkills/night actions/a sick d1 mafia flip sort them out. This runs the risk of having town devolve into chaos if their voices are too strong so it requires everyone else to keep their heads on straight.

Hey Math why don’t you give the player who wants to vote a player who has 3 words in their username the same treatment? Huh? I really don’t like that you’re doing this only to me.

I am a bit calmer so I will address this.

They haven’t caught up and haven’t been defending the indefensible all game

[Past Present Future]

@rat, post 930? I didn't read that far yet. It's a pretty good post, second half of his iso isn't so bad either out of context. Maybe I should be voting one of the people who light scumread him but never voted him, oops i lost those posts oh well. I don't agree all of it, however, there's lot of merit to eliminating the sources of chaos in town. There's also merit to painting someone as a source of chaos if you want to get them killed, which is what math could be doing every time he says welcome back to the thread, please focus on me vs. mastina as he has done with myself and enchant.

Will probably unvote RR and

vote a 3 word hydra

or some null read later when i finish reading if RR is as town as people say in the next 20 pages. Currently leaning towards keeping both math and mastina alive for a day and letting nightkills/night actions/a sick d1 mafia flip sort them out. This runs the risk of having town devolve into chaos if their voices are too strong so it requires everyone else to keep their heads on straight.

Hey Math why don’t you give the player who wants to vote a player who has 3 words in their username the same treatment? Huh? I really don’t like that you’re doing this only to me.

I am a bit calmer so I will address this.

They haven’t caught up and haven’t been defending the indefensible all game

So pretty much anyone who disagrees with your Mastina read is scum. Wow, I had no idea mafia games were that simple, that must be why town always wins.

[MathBlade]

@rat, post 930? I didn't read that far yet. It's a pretty good post, second half of his iso isn't so bad either out of context. Maybe I should be voting one of the people who light scumread him but never voted him, oops i lost those posts oh well. I don't agree all of it, however, there's lot of merit to eliminating the sources of chaos in town. There's also merit to painting someone as a source of chaos if you want to get them killed, which is what math could be doing every time he says welcome back to the thread, please focus on me vs. mastina as he has done with myself and enchant.

Will probably unvote RR and

vote a 3 word hydra

or some null read later when i finish reading if RR is as town as people say in the next 20 pages. Currently leaning towards keeping both math and mastina alive for a day and letting nightkills/night actions/a sick d1 mafia flip sort them out. This runs the risk of having town devolve into chaos if their voices are too strong so it requires everyone else to keep their heads on straight.

Hey Math why don’t you give the player who wants to vote a player who has 3 words in their username the same treatment? Huh? I really don’t like that you’re doing this only to me.

I am a bit calmer so I will address this.

They haven’t caught up and haven’t been defending the indefensible all game

So pretty much anyone who disagrees with your Mastina read is scum. Wow, I had no idea mafia games were that simple, that must be why town always wins.

Person scum claims
A player doesn’t vote them.

More often than not they are scum.

Mastina scum claimed by outing crumbs in multiball.

[Past Present Future]

You mean “according to you”. I don’t view it that way. I said it before and I’ll say it again because I’m actually really good at tone reading and I believe she honestly believes you’re scum. Mastina is one of those players who’s alignment can be read by tone. I already told you that I played a game with her not too long ago, where I thought she was being really fake and over the top in her emotional reactions. I’m not getting that sense from her posting here.

[Past Present Future]

If she’s town THEN I’d care about a scum pile on
But since it’s multiball I don’t care if other scum destroys scum.
Trying to get an all town wagon day one is not a goal in multiball. It’s elimming scum.

Oh hey guess what??.

I'm town.

Guess what???

The entirety of one scumteam is voting me.

Guess what???

Someone who is very likely part of the OTHER scumteam is voting me.

4/5 of the votes are from scum. (T-Bone will look back at his presence on that wagon later and realize how badly he fucked up. In a way that imo clears him as town, but like. I'll probably be dead by then and him still alive so I won't be around to defend him after he realizes how badly he fucked up by joining the all-scum wagon.)

It's ALMOST like...
Oh, I dunno...

...Both scumteams think that I am a member of the opposite scumteam and are convinced that eliminating me is safe.

...Surprise!!!

Turns out that I am going to flip town because I am town, and after I do I want everyone to come back to this moment in the game and fucking sheep me.

I was RIGHT about the scum being teams of 3.
I didn't know it at the time! I literally said "approximately", because I DIDN’T know.

But BOTH scumteams thought that I scumslipped being part of the opposite scumteam.

Not one scumteam.

BOTH of them.

To repeat.
To reiterate.

One scumteam is {professotic, Mathblade, Frozen Angel}.
The other scumteam is {Bunnyonce, Radical Rat, ???}. (Currently best guess is Radja.)

Neither team believes that I am town, both teams believe that I am scum that is genuinely sure I nailed my counterparts and simply lying about my own team, but both scumteams are in for a NASTY surprise.

Namely, that I am town, and that, yes:
After I flip, they're FUCKED.
Because they can't escape that my townflip hard-incriminates them. They can't escape that they TMI'd.

They'll certainly try to!

You can already see MathBlade laying the groundwork with his posts, where he lays out the "in the unlikely event that mastina is town".

When I DO flip town, take to heart all the players pushing me now and how they have to spin things after the fact.

After I flip town, do not let ANY of professotic/MathBlade/FA/RR/Bunnyonce off the hook for pushing the narratives they are.

Because this is genuinely a guaranteed town win if you chain eliminations through all five of them.

They think that my flip will give them breathing room, but my townflip HARD-condemns them.

And you better fucking believe this:
If you don't eliminate them after I die and I am inevitably shown to be right:
I will NEVER let you forget.
I will bring it up in EVERY interaction we have that YOU fucking let my D1 solve that was correct go to waste.

(That said, if you think that I am asking to be eliminated D1 and then posthumously sheeped, FUCK no.
We can get a perfect game by eliminating those five, then tracking down the sixth.
My role is strong enough that I shouldn't die.
And most importantly of all, I don’t trust you flickers to actually sheep me after I die. I am DEMANDING that you do. But I know that you won't. I'll hold it over you for the rest of your mafia life, saying I fucking told you so, but I know that you won't ACTUALLY sheep me. This is more so for if the town actually IS stupid enough to eliminate me D1.)

I don’t believe scum!Mastina makes this post. Because I’ve seen her do exactly that in numerous towngames.

[MathBlade]

And I have seen her pull this as scum

And no it’s not worth effort to find it

Because I am pretty convinced you’re scum defending scum so any reasoning won’t matter

[Past Present Future]

And I have seen her pull this as scum

And no it’s not worth effort to find it

Because I am pretty convinced you’re scum defending scum so any reasoning won’t matter

I honestly don’t gaf what you think.

[Past Present Future]

Subject: Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

I honestly think Trojan actually has been putting in some serious work, I have a solid townread on them now

Can I get some details here?

I honestly think Trojan actually has been putting in some serious work, I have a solid townread on them now

Can I get some details here?

I'm also interested in this. I'm clearly not taking this game super seriously... I am doing some amount of solving though but I'm curious to hear about what you mean by "serious work".

When I say "serious work", I don't mean actual game solving effort. I just liked the direction they were going and how they were interacting with me. Essentially they shaped up.

I would still like some specifics. I'm wondering how you came to this conclusion based on what they posted between A and B, and also whether you can convince me they're not scum.

Mastina isn’t an easy read but she seems to be pretty genuine here, where she seems kind of off as scum.

Oh that's a really good way of describing it yeah.

As scum I've tried a lifetime to not feel "off" to myself but to this day, never had a scumgame where I didn't feel 'off'. And when I can tell I am 'off' as scum, I can tell that others can tell, too.

Similarly so for as town. Like this game, I can recognize I'm not the normal town mastina but can still feel that I'm *a* town mastina and am not 'off' to a degree where scumreads on me should exist. They shouldn't.

This is also a mastina scumpost. I believe I recall some game where she went on and on about excuses why she didn't match up to her normal self but was totally town, possibly in the absence of anyone pressing her on it.

Mastina talks about her meta all the time, this is NIA for her,

she is tonally town. I have never seen her effectively fake that in any game where I’ve played with scum!her.

[MMR]

And I have seen her pull this as scum

And no it’s not worth effort to find it

Because I am pretty convinced you’re scum defending scum so any reasoning won’t matter

Why isn't it worth an effort?
Wouldn't it be helpful for us to know?
-Rubella

[MMR]

And this is similar to what mastina was doing but she's explained why and if I'm not misinterpreting, promised to do research.
Though, I still dislike the formation of the meta read before she did research.
As for Nancy, I feel like she could be pocketed rather than scum defending a partner. I remember that she behaved similarly when she was pocketed by Taly in LOST.
-Rubella