Cosmos Mafia (Dawn 1)

[mastina]

You're the only one who has articulated a reason I believe, for what it's worth Nancy. Everyone else who says she is town is hiding behind you imo

Nah. PPF, Yume, and DDS are all town. (StD is town aside from them but he isn't among the defenders.)

There's slots who are defending me that could be scum (furtive for instance), but are they? *shrug* (also furtive as an example, I have him as a townlean anyway in spite of him lacking the same credibility).

[Frozen Angel]

I actually am town reading Tbone, yume and am scum reading prof. your readlist makes like 60% 70% sense to me

[MMR]

By "everyone claiming to be able to read" you, are you referring to the people on your wagon that are strongly SRing you like Math and professotic?

You apparently didn't read very well.

everyone claiming to be able to read me

thinking I am scum

, is either scum lying their asses off or town that was delusional. Because

the people who actually

can

(the likes of PPF, Yume, DDS), have me as one of their strongest townreads

.

I don't see how that can be more clear?

The people claiming to be able to read me who have me as town are right, and accurate.
I believe those four players to be credible in their claims to be able to read me well. (Notably, you may note that furtive is not on that list in spite of him townreading me, because he lacks that credibility.)

I don't know the alignments of the people claiming to be able to read me who have me as scum--but since I am town, those claims are wrong. That leaves exactly two possibilities for them. They're scum lying their asses off or town whose metrics on how to read me were just outright wrong.

I've stated which players I feel to be which.

I get it now.
I read the part on thinking that you were scum but I forgot to write that in my post, by mistake.
Sorry for making you bold your post.
-Rubella

[mastina]

And as you know meta doesn't move me. I need Mastina to show me, and if she's town she will, and if she's scum she won't.

You apparently weren't listening when I said I was done being mastina.

I've no interest in showing you I'm town. I would've if I were still trying to be mastina but I honestly don't give a fuck anymore. If you can't see I'm town from what I gave already then it's really not worth bothering with. It doesn't matter to me--you're the one who has to live with the consequences for being part of a mastina mislim, not me.

I don't even have strong reads to leave behind, aside from the four townreads I have. I'd prefer the town not go after you, but even that read isn't nearly as certain as my four towniest reads.

[Frozen Angel]

tell me why you think I'm scum without using the words 100% and 90% or meta

if its meta based explain how you feel about it in plain words

can you do that for me?

I would also like to see you actually reacting to my posts about why I scum read you if you have time

[Frozen Angel]

why t-bone has to face consequences of a mastina mislim if its a mislim hypothetically?

[furtiveglance]

What's the current voting at? Can we get a counter wagon going or are we just done?

[MMR]

By the way, why is Bunny in the same tier as RR in your readslist?

Because both are likely scum, and probably partnered at that.

I see.
Could you link some of those posts?
I feel like RR and Bunny haven't interacted that much that could point to them being partnered.
Though, Bunny's vote on RR might need a bit more explaining.
-Rubella

[MMR]

What's the current voting at? Can we get a counter wagon going or are we just done?

I don't think that much counterwagons have taken off.
I guess that either people want the Day to end or they are SRing mastina the most.
-Rubella

[Yume]

I'll be honest getting concerned by Mathblade. It may be recency bias, but last time I ignored red flags he ended up being scum. I keep having to correct him and point what I feel is obvious. I also can't believe I'm saying this but in his effort to meet Yume with the flow chart he's

purposely reading it wrong

. To be clear the flow chart is garbage, but that he's doing it wrong anyway...

See, I am not the only one who noticed this. One of Mathblade's allies did too.

[mastina]

If anything Yume and PPF are “tunnelled” Mastina is town if they are town.

For the record an actually thinking town MathBlade would realize that the players townreading me have much much better metrics to read me by than MathBlade does and would back down.

But MathBlade isn't thinking town here. That's not a guarantee he's scum mind you but it's still factual that if MathBlade were thinking town he'd have reason to reevaluate. So options are thinking scum, or unthinking town.

[mastina]

tell me why you think I'm scum without using the words 100% and 90% or meta

Well it is, but it's also where you've pushed and how you've pushed them. Separate from meta I find your worldview on this game to be that of a scum player.

Granted your meta says said worldview is your scum meta, but even disregarding meta your worldview just looks like scum. Everywhere you are focusing, everywhere you are pushing, it just doesn't look town and does look scum.

[MMR]

why t-bone has to face consequences of a mastina mislim if its a mislim hypothetically?

That's a good question.
I'm not mastina but I think that T-Bone has been somewhat vocal and mastina doesn't have him as scum like with you, or nullish-scum as with Math.
-Rubella

[furtiveglance]

What's the current voting at? Can we get a counter wagon going or are we just done?

I don't think that much counterwagons have taken off.
I guess that either people want the Day to end or they are SRing mastina the most.
-Rubella

I do want this day to end, it's boring and no one's listening to me.

[mastina]

why t-bone has to face consequences of a mastina mislim if its a mislim hypothetically?

He said it himself; he was a tipping point in the wagon. Given that I am town, and my strong defenders were VERY adamant about me being town, and that I have dozens upon dozens of posts not only showing it but also where I gave reads and reasons, means that saying I wasn't town with those things has consequences.

T-Bone does not have the fire behind his posts that the players actually with a reasonably high chance of being scum on my wagon do. He is more subdued than professotic or MathBlade or Frozen Angel or even RR for instance, but by joining the likes of them on my wagon, he puts himself square into the line of fire for mislim fodder down the line.

Which, I mean. He's not omniscient so he doesn't know it will happen. But me being down and me having a good read of how gamestates are likely to develop--I know that he's incredibly likely to gain flak sooner rather than later (midgame give or take) for it. He's one of the towniest votes on my wagon if not the towniest. But I am the only person who thinks that, and by virtue of me being the mislim, I won't be around to defend him. And other players don't see him as town as I do. Because to an outsider perspective, T-Bone's hop-on looks "weak", and "opportunistic". It's not, but I can't stop them from thinking it is after I'm gone.

[MMR]

Because to an outsider perspective, T-Bone's hop-on looks "weak", and "opportunistic".

What makes you think this?
I feel like you're one of the first people to describe his vote as this.
I get that T-Bone claimed to be the tipping point and that might draw attention to him but from my POV, T-Bone's vote doesn't feel like the description of what an outsider would think.
-Rubella

[MMR]

What's the current voting at? Can we get a counter wagon going or are we just done?

I don't think that much counterwagons have taken off.
I guess that either people want the Day to end or they are SRing mastina the most.
-Rubella

I do want this day to end, it's boring and no one's listening to me.

It's still the first day and I think that a lot of people's attention has been placed onto Math and mastina. Hopefully, Day 1 will be different.
-Rubella

[Bunnyonce]

Yeah, I skimmed the last 10 pages and it's all the same old song.

@

RR

: Question was in 313.

~Greeting

[Bunnyonce]

What's the current voting at? Can we get a counter wagon going or are we just done?

I don't think that much counterwagons have taken off.
I guess that either people want the Day to end or they are SRing mastina the most.
-Rubella

I do want this day to end, it's boring and no one's listening to me.

It's still the first day and I think that a lot of people's attention has been placed onto Math and mastina. Hopefully, Day 1 will be different.
-Rubella

If you look at the postcount, there is a ridiculous discrepancy between the amount of posts by the top 4-5 posters,

mastina

/

MathBlade

in particular, and the rest of the game. If I ever host a Theme game, I am doing post caps.

~Greeting

[MMR]

By the way, why is Bunny in the same tier as RR in your readslist?

Because both are likely scum, and probably partnered at that.

@Bunny
What do you have to say about this?
-Rubella

[mastina]

I feel like RR and Bunny haven't interacted that much that could point to them being partnered.

That's

exactly

why they ARE (likely) partnered.

No seriously.

This is a multiball game.

"haven't interacted that much in ways that can point to them being partnered" is exactly what scum in multiball strive for.

Individually, I think both have decent odds for being scum;
Neither of them look like they're not scum with the other;
With neither as being a particular point of pressure, that kind of interaction suggests both scum together. Bunnyonce's vote on RR is fairly halfhearted especially given the wagon on me and no real effort from Bunnyonce to dismantle it. So the RR vote is fairly performative. Bunnyonce wasn't voting RR while there was a more competitive gamestate with multiple wagons, when RR votes had a chance to gain traction. Bunnyonce's vote on RR happened only after my elimination gained enough momentum to become almost an inevitabilitBree.

[mastina]

Because to an outsider perspective, T-Bone's hop-on looks "weak", and "opportunistic".

I feel like you're one of the first people to describe his vote as this.

Sure, because it wouldn't happen on D1.

It'd happen in the D3-D6 range, thereabouts. Someone would go back to the mastina mislim, note T-Bone's presence there, compare that to others, and think those things, with the time removing the clarity from the wagon I have now.

Currently nobody might say that, but down the line they would.

[Bunnyonce]

By the way, why is Bunny in the same tier as RR in your readslist?

Because both are likely scum, and probably partnered at that.

@Bunny
What do you have to say about this?
-Rubella

I did read

mastina

's reasons for suspecting our slot and I think it has more to do with me than Aisa.

Mastina

seems to believe that scum me likes to play it safe and reserved, which isn't necessarily true. It's not as easy to predict my alignment. In my last scumgame, which I lost, I went for a rather proactive approach (Newbie 2100). I am more reserved in this game than usual, because a) work; b) very high volume of posts. Nonetheless, I do talk with my hydra partner daily and we exchange info on the gamestate all the time, so sometimes we speak for one another.

I still think that town!

mastina

could have gotten that meta read and it doesn't look contrived for the purpose of shading our slot.

~Greeting

[mastina]

If I ever host a Theme game, I am doing post caps.

For the record, that wouldn't actually impact me.

I have less posts than you would assume. T-Bone literally has more than me. 6/16 players have higher post counts than me. I'm literally only the seventh-most-active poster in the game.

I just always SEEM like the most active poster because I'm like a signal boost for activity in games.

Every game I am in causes the actual top posters to post more, and there's a night and day difference in posting activity between pre-mastina-death and post-mastina-death; activity drops off a cliff after I die because I am a source of activity in spite of it not being reflected in post count.

That's one of the reasons I like being mastina normally. That's the mastina affect. mastina's approach makes people be forced to be more active, basically. I just can't keep being her right now.

[Frozen Angel]

tell me why you think I'm scum without using the words 100% and 90% or meta

Well it is, but it's also where you've pushed and how you've pushed them. Separate from meta I find your worldview on this game to be that of a scum player.

Granted your meta says said worldview is your scum meta, but even disregarding meta your worldview just looks like scum. Everywhere you are focusing, everywhere you are pushing, it just doesn't look town and does look scum.

my world view is in line with Iraina people who are chanting "women life freedom" in streets nowdays, but not sure how is that relevant to the game. if you mean my reads, why would you think even if I was scum I wouldn't be genuinely solving in this game that is confirmed multiball? My reads are genuine regardless of my alignment so why are you having that in mind for making reads on other players and purposefully ignoring it when you're talking about me? My main concern on your slot is how you're ignoring how my day/night different meta in your opinion would be applicable in a multiball game when you've done the most setup specs (maybe not most and same amount as I did) so far so you should be knowing that

and if you're talking about my other reads I need you to be more specific