Cosmos Mafia (Dawn 1)

[MegAzumarill]

VC 1.0.13



Mastina (7) Frozen Angel, Mathblade, professotic, MMR, T-Bone, Radical Rat, Maid Cafe, [E-2]

scarfmanship (4) Past Present Future, Bunnyonce, furtiveglance, Ydrasse

Enchant (1) Dingle Dangle Scarecrow
professotic (1) Mastina,
Frozen Angel (1) Radja
Mathblade (1) Yume
Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (1) Scarfmanship

Not Voting (1) Enchant


With 17 Alive it takes 9 to Eliminate
Deadline: (expired on 2022-11-01 13:00:17)

[Bunnyonce]

Lmao sorry. I kept being like "Hmm, maybe if I keep skimming this game for ten minutes a day, Greeting and I will eventually align on a scumread and then I will push it".

Turns out that that, uh, hasn't happened so I've decided to think pragmatically.

I think there's also someone who criticised us for being super lukewarm on RR and

not really

trying to build a counterwagon and I think that's fair soo yeah.

-Aisa

What if Greeting gets on and unvotes

I'm still figuring out this whole hydra thing, but if Greeting dislikes the vote then we're not voting Scarf. I don't know how what slot we'll vote instead, but we'll do our best to find something sensible!

Also, uh, for the record I just walked in, saw that Scarfmanship had posted something like "Given Yume's ability/read/whatever it is best to just vote mastina", thought I wasn't a massive fan of the tone, and was like uhhh I suppose I could vote there.

I promise I'll ISO you later for more reasons to be on the wagon
BUT
If there isn't much in your ISO atm I'd benefit from you talking me through a little

-Aisa

[Scarfmanship]

Ydrasse, You say that I haven't done anything beyond that, but it worked. A wagon on me, while not the best outcome, does give fresh content to the game.

My nonanswer to your question is that I think furitive is town, and is like me but has more social capital. I think PPF votes me as either alignment because they have disliked me ever since i vaguely insulted them earlier. Dunno about the other two.

Also, there's another layer to calling for votes on DDS that (you plural)'re not seeing. Someone mentioned that DDS is a tertiary priority for people right now. I think mafia lives in tertiary priorities, and mafia lives in null reads, so if those reads are real, it's worth investigating. However, it's also worth investigating to see if the people repeating that DDS is null-scumlean are being genuine in their reads, or if they are parroting the consensus to sound town, so I wanted to see who was willing to commit to what they were saying. It also opens up the option to force potential mafia commit to a stance on a weak partner that they're not sure what to do with earlier than they want to. Or maybe we would have seen a lack of resistance which also would have been informative.

Because it is very easy to coast by shading the people everyone else is shading, complaining about mastina and mathblade, and get at minimum nullread for it.

[Ydrasse]

-_-

UNVOTE:

[Scarfmanship]

I hope you've all learned a valuable lesson, and from now on I humbly request you blindly trust me when I make vague suggestions.

[T-Bone]

Talk to me then T-Bone? I'm here for 15 minutes and will also be back in a few hours.

-Aisa

It looks weird to me that we're talking about a possible DDS vote, one happens, and you jump in to redirect. It's probably coincidence but damn if that doesn't look intentional.

[T-Bone]

VOTE: scarfsmanship

yolo

Called your bluff you never had it in you to put Mastina in hammer territory.

[T-Bone]

I hope you've all learned a valuable lesson, and from now on I humbly request you blindly trust me when I make vague suggestions.

Are you even in this game?

You look town if you are!

[Ydrasse]

VOTE: scarfsmanship

yolo

Called your bluff you never had it in you to put Mastina in hammer territory.

;-; i do.... i do!!!!

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

i think my main issue skimming dds is mainly like. i feel like they're projecting rlly strong stances about mastina/math but not really putting in the legwork to actualize what they care about (mastina town ie why are you not kicking and screaming more trying to dismantle this wagon yk)

I think this is valid criticism
The main reason that I've not been pushing the gamestate is because I hate it and don't want to engage with it because it will be extremely unenjoyable

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

And Bella hasn't because she's got the flu and doesn't have as strong feelings on things as I do

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Yes I'm confident that mastina is town
But I have no confidence that my voice will do anything to influence the path the thread will take
The thread is clogged enough already and I want to save my breath for when it matters

I'm still willing to speak to individuals who are interested in speaking to me

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Basically I'm not louder than MathBlade or Frozen Angel and I am not going to win their arguments that are explicitly set up to be 'specific' enough for them to argue out of when specificity has nothing to do with accuracy

[Ydrasse]

fair tbh

[professotic]

Wait, furtive, can you get back on Scarfman?
I was going to vote them to make a mini wagon. I have, like, a mini gut townread on DDS.

VOTE: Scarfmanship

Also: Ydrasse you legend

-Aisa

That's super weird

Yeah cause bunny is desperately trying to save their teammate Mastina and MathBlade needs to realize this fact.

[professotic]

Yeah Scarf is town and I already established that Ydrass slot is town.

[professotic]

If I’m miss clearing someone it’s probably MMR but I think I got most of this correct here.

[professotic]

So
Mastina/Bunny/PPF

And

Dingle/Radja/FA

Makes sense

[professotic]

VC 1.0.6




Radja (5) T-Bone, Past Present Future, furtiveglance, MMR, Mathblade [E-4]

professotic (4) Mastina, Yume, Enchant, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow

MMR (2) Frozen Angel, Maid Cafe

furtiveglance (1) Bunnyonce
T-Bone (1) Radical Rat
Mastina (1) professotic


Not Voting (3) Radja, Child of Fairies, Save the Dragons,

With 17 Alive it takes 9 to Eliminate
Deadline: (expired on 2022-10-28 10:23:41)

Team 2 makes sense for votecount as well.

[professotic]

Dingle on me, CW to their teammate.

FA on the next wagon that Maid Cafe made.

[Past Present Future]

Dingle on me, CW to their teammate.

FA on the next wagon that Maid Cafe made.

Interesting theory. I'm not sure Dingle is scum (but it beats flipping mastina), but open to talking. Yume is obvtown. Enchant is my best pick for scum on the wagon but that's because he's not a high poster.

I may be afk in an hour or so until later tomorrow. We'll see on that. Nancy has our vote control but it doesn't mean we won't talk.

[MMR]

Wait, furtive, can you get back on Scarfman?
I was going to vote them to make a mini wagon. I have, like, a mini gut townread on DDS.

VOTE: Scarfmanship

Also: Ydrasse you legend

-Aisa

That's super weird

Yeah cause bunny is desperately trying to save their teammate Mastina and MathBlade needs to realize this fact.

Why does scum!mastina draw attention to scum!Bunny though?
It doesn't make sense, considering that she's the leading wagon.
-Rubella

[T-Bone]

What did Mastina do in this sequence of events to draw attention to Bunnyonce?

[MMR]

I see, though why would people want to do this?

Have you played in a mafia game's midgame?

People don't necessarily

want

to do it, they just DO it. In the midgame. At a time people are beginning to look back at the earlier sections of the game to try and improve the town's fortunes, either clutching a win or staving off a defeat. In the midgame, there is enough distance from the original events to forget current feelings on the subject, and to forget the context around a situation, and to make it easier to accidentally take things out of context and view them too hard in isolation, which makes nuances to situations become harder to detect.

Lack of nuance, lack of accuracy in reading T-Bone's alignment, because to read T-Bone as town from his push on me requires a LOT of nuance. Nuance lost in the midgame thanks to distance from D1.

Also, would you say that scum would be more likely to attempt that?

Situationally? Sure. But in general it's usually town.

Town players in the midgame go back to review the earlier sections of the game.

D1 is currently the current game, but during the midgame, D1 will be "the earlier sections".
So in the midgame, they will go back and look.

It's not like players are immediately on D2 going to instantly gun for T-Bone--of course they wouldn't. D2 has D1 still fresh in their minds. They wouldn't have forgotten the nuances yet. But come ~D4 or so, and with how goldfish town players' memories are, yeah, they'll have forgotten the nuances behind T-Bone town. And it's at

that

point they'd see it as opportunistic and weak. Even though it's neither.

I have played in a midgame before but in my experience, Town hasn't done what you described.
This might just be that in general, I play in games with too much guilties and everybody seems to be focusing on that sort of thing, instead of reviewing D1's wagons. Or maybe it's because my memory's just bad.
I get your point but I still don't get why Town will specifically look back onto the tipping point of a D1 wagon.
(Especially, since the game may eventually progress and T-Bone hasn't felt scummy at all, in this game.)
-Rubella

[MMR]

What did Mastina do in this sequence of events to draw attention to Bunnyonce?

In 1595, she deliberately brought attention to scum!Bunny by commenting on how their interactions with RR, could be aligned.
Most players at that time, apart from I think, prof, weren't SRing Bunny that much and if mastina was scum, she could've just left Bunny in the dark and put her focus elsewhere.
-Rubella