Cosmos Mafia (Dawn 1)

[mastina]

Y'know.

If I were still pretending to be mastina, I'd double down on my professotic scumread by pointing out all the scum things they did, ignoring the town things that have given me doubt about the scumread there.

But like--I promised I was done pretending to be mastina at least for a while, so like.

Not gonna actually do that.

And instead will be honest with the truth:
professotic is an ambivalent slot for me.

I don't

really

wanna go through the 8 pages to go through all the reasons why I am ambivalent on the slot, but at the risk of abandoning a push on scum, I think I actually wanna do this:

VOTE: Radical Rat
Would also vote {Bunnyonce, Radja}.

I realize there are a lot of reasons for professotic to still be scum.

I don't feel actually confident enough to keep pushing there tho. mastina would, I am not.

[mastina]

Would also vote {Bunnyonce, Radja, Frozen Angel}.

Forgot to list FA there, but yes, I no longer have professotic as hard-scum. professotic is where MathBlade was until the townread there; ambivalent.

LOCKTOWN:
{Past Present Future, Save The Dragons, Yume} (most locktown of locktown)
TOWN:
{Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, MathBlade} (not quite locktowning MathBlade, but locktown is 100% town, town is like 90-98% town, so that's still ridiculously town)

VIBED TOWN:
{MMR, T-Bone}

LEAN TOWN:
{furtiveglance, Enchant}


AMBIVALENT:
{professotic}


??? (could be PoE scum, but hard to lock down for sure)
{Maid Cafe}

{Child of Fairies/Scarfmanship}

REASONABLE CHANCE OF SCUM:
{Bunnyonce}
{Radja}

SCUM:
{Radical Rat, Frozen Angel}

[MathBlade]

Y'know.

If I were still pretending to be mastina, I'd double down on my professotic scumread by pointing out all the scum things they did, ignoring the town things that have given me doubt about the scumread there.

But like--I promised I was done pretending to be mastina at least for a while, so like.

Not gonna actually do that.

And instead will be honest with the truth:
professotic is an ambivalent slot for me.

I don't

really

wanna go through the 8 pages to go through all the reasons why I am ambivalent on the slot, but at the risk of abandoning a push on scum, I think I actually wanna do this:

VOTE: Radical Rat
Would also vote {Bunnyonce, Radja}.

I realize there are a lot of reasons for professotic to still be scum.

I don't feel actually confident enough to keep pushing there tho. mastina would, I am not.

May I ask which head/alter (apologies struggling to remember the right word) is speaking?

[mastina]

I'm no longer happy with a professotic elimination--I

could

be giving up on a scum elimination (and will be kicking myself about it later if so--doubly so if my wagon goes through instead since I'll feel pretty fucking stupid if I gave up on a D1 scum elimination just to get eliminated as town), but I'm not going to pretend professotic doesn't have a quite significant chance of being town. Given that, I want to flip someone with a higher chance of being scum.

{Maid Cafe, Scarfmanship} are

possible

scum, but not guaranteed scum.

{Bunnyonce, Radja} have reasonable chances to be scum, but are not guaranteed scum. More scum than {Maid Cafe, Scarfmanship}, less scum than the scum tier.

{Radical Rat, Frozen Angel} are the only two reads I have confidence in flipping scum. My preference would be one of those two. I'll vote the above, but I'd prefer one of these two.

[mastina]

May I ask which head/alter (apologies struggling to remember the right word) is speaking?

These days we don't really know anymore to be honest, there's hundreds of us.

But today's our rest day, today's our dedicated Bree-time-day, today's the day we usually take off and chill, so like: not the facets who you'd associate with mastina. Not a single one of them is front and center.

The ones closest to the front are the ones under the Muse branch, since it was those under the Muse branch who normally are around on our day off.

So like. Under the old five-of-us system, not mastina, not Ace/Miss Efficiency, not Child, mostly not Mother, mostly Muse.

[mastina]

@mastina why is DDS town to you?

Because I have seen Klick as town in a multiball game and this is Klick as town in a multiball game. When I vibe with Klick's overall reads and direction and can track his thought process, it means he's probably town. If he were scum, I'd expect it to show in his posts, his reasons, his reads,

somewhere

, but his perspective just looks like everything I've seen from him as town.

And I know this is a multiball game--it doesn't look like scum that can half-legit scumhunt. I'd expect to still be able to see that in Klick's posting. But I don't. I don't see "could be scum in multiball with these things" from him, I just see

town

from him.

[MathBlade]

May I ask which head/alter (apologies struggling to remember the right word) is speaking?

These days we don't really know anymore to be honest, there's hundreds of us.

But today's our rest day, today's our dedicated Bree-time-day, today's the day we usually take off and chill, so like: not the facets who you'd associate with mastina. Not a single one of them is front and center.

The ones closest to the front are the ones under the Muse branch, since it was those under the Muse branch who normally are around on our day off.

So like. Under the old five-of-us system, not mastina, not Ace/Miss Efficiency, not Child, mostly not Mother, mostly Muse.

Which head would you say is more strategic?

Bree or Mastina?

I get you say that Mastina is more tunnelly than Bree.

Each of yourselves all have the same alignment so I am curious if this head is more strategic or more gut.

[mastina]

Well, for most of the game I hadn't been reading, which does put a bit of a damper on interactions. And that's just because I've been busy/low-energy, which happens sometimes regardless of alignment, especially in Larges.

Oh?

You say "I've been busy, which happens sometimes regardless of alignment".
Which player in the game have you put suspicion on for her when she was busy, in a way that put a damper on interactions?
(It's me.)

Color me skeptical about this being a valid excuse from you, when you're literally pushing me for doing the same thing you're now trying to use in your defense of yourself.

[Enchant]

VOTE: professotic

Idk if i did it before i just want to do it again

[mastina]

Bunny has now overtaken MMR in person I want to vote the most. More news at 11

For the record one of the reasons Maid Cafe actually has fairly good scum equity here is because neither MariaR nor beeboy are exactly passive players and yet in this game the hydra is incredibly passive.

To

some

extent, that can be attributed to rl factors + disengagement from the game. Where they don't

really

feel like playing, they don't have an investment, they don't have a strong incentive to be more active because they're not really interested in the game right now, so rl factors plus that = low-spoons game.

...But those are the factors keeping Maid Cafe from being closer to lockscum.

Because while the above is fully possible, I would expect either more sheeping from them with even less thoughts given, or less sheeping from them with more thoughts given. To have thoughts acted through on, to actually have some push.

Being midway between the two is the zone scum in multiball would thrive in, giving Maid Cafe a quite significant chance of being scum.

But of the players not north of null, Maid Cafe is still the towniest of them imo. Just, not townie enough to be a townread. (I suppose a better way to say that is the least-scum of the names in my PoE.)

Plus, PoE is a thing, here.

I have very good reasons for my locktown.
I have very good reasons for my town.
I feel

very

good about the vibes of T-Bone town. (Basically the only reason he's not higher is that I don't know his play here. Everything looks town, but I have no metric for if this is possible from him as scum.) And while there's some ambivalence there, I'm overall comfortable with the direction MMR have displayed in their thoughts, to be reasonably town.

Furtiveglance doesn't look like his SK play from Datisi's cafe, which feels promising on D1;
Enchant I feel is in his towngame albeit mostly by gut.

So with me feeling quite good about my townreads, there's not a lot of room left for the scum to be.

[professotic]

I'm no longer happy with a professotic elimination--I

could

be giving up on a scum elimination (and will be kicking myself about it later if so--doubly so if my wagon goes through instead since I'll feel pretty fucking stupid if I gave up on a D1 scum elimination just to get eliminated as town), but I'm not going to pretend professotic doesn't have a quite significant chance of being town. Given that, I want to flip someone with a higher chance of being scum.

{Maid Cafe, Scarfmanship} are

possible

scum, but not guaranteed scum.

{Bunnyonce, Radja} have reasonable chances to be scum, but are not guaranteed scum. More scum than {Maid Cafe, Scarfmanship}, less scum than the scum tier.

{Radical Rat, Frozen Angel} are the only two reads I have confidence in flipping scum. My preference would be one of those two. I'll vote the above, but I'd prefer one of these two.

I’ll be honest with you.
Your stance right now is Townie.
I’m not sure about PPF.
I agree with you on Yume and Ydrass being town.
I can see Dingle being town cause Bella does feel more like their town game of which I hosted.
However, I still think they are a wolf and I still think you can be a wolf however I know I’m more then likely not gonna be completely right about my reads day 1 and as for Radical, I originally wolf read that slot from their push on me, then I found them Townie and then I went kinda back to Null Sub them into a wolf team read.
So yeah I can agree with this allot.
Radical, FA and Radja makes sense.

[professotic]

VOTE: professotic

Idk if i did it before i just want to do it again

Enchant is still town.
I stand by this.

[professotic]

No but actually I’m considering an unvote cause if Mastina is town those reads are really good.

[mastina]

VOTE: professotic
I'm wiling to try it. I haven't liked their weird confidence, plus someone else said they were mafia based on the meta of which heads were posting.

For the record, this does look like a scum vote to me.

[professotic]

Fuck I’m probably going to be ML’ed for this but I like that vote.

VOTE: Radical Rat

[professotic]

Not sure if TicTac agrees with this as they really want Mastina to get executed but I make up like 85%ish of our ISO I believe and I’ve been the most spoken and given the reads so.
I do think this is the correct placement.

[professotic]

“ya, if we not doing mastina i'd rather just do radj.
i think teamsolving day1 on large multiball is dumb.
i think we can actually do mastina tho.“

Is the last thing I got from TicTac.

[mastina]

Would I be horribly out of line in thinking this looks kinda like Drapion going "Well, throwing a fit worked for mastina, maybe it'll save me too!"?

While this is not a bad thought, I feel like a town-RR would push it stronger.

[Radical Rat]

Well, for most of the game I hadn't been reading, which does put a bit of a damper on interactions. And that's just because I've been busy/low-energy, which happens sometimes regardless of alignment, especially in Larges.

Oh?

You say "I've been busy, which happens sometimes regardless of alignment".
Which player in the game have you put suspicion on for her when she was busy, in a way that put a damper on interactions?
(It's me.)

Color me skeptical about this being a valid excuse from you, when you're literally pushing me for doing the same thing you're now trying to use in your defense of yourself.

Okay but I'm not scumreading you FOR being busy. Not once have I ever even implied that.

I scumread you because the posts that you have actually made I think betray a scum mindset. Even the one where you announced giving up on being mastina, I made sure to draw a line between the emotions and stress you were expressing, to which I extended empathy and reassurance as best I could, and the point you were making about how it makes you Town, which I did not (and do not) believe.

These situations are not equivalent.

[T-Bone]

Finally Mastina doing a little showing instead of telling lol

[T-Bone]

Fuck I’m probably going to be ML’ed for this but I like that vote.

VOTE: Radical Rat

If we're gonna do this thing where we don't lim Mastina my preference would be Bunny way over Rat. Rat is pretty town.

[Ydrasse]

this is a game i am in

[professotic]

FYI I wolf read Rat for individual different reasoning then Mastina even though I don’t have Rat as most likely.

[professotic]

Fuck I’m probably going to be ML’ed for this but I like that vote.

VOTE: Radical Rat

If we're gonna do this thing where we don't lim Mastina my preference would be Bunny way over Rat. Rat is pretty town.

Did you vote Bunny with me?
No you did not.

You don’t believe this, so stop.

[professotic]

Hmm didn’t Maid Cafe also say Bunny but didn’t vote there.


Yet I get voted for pushing Bunny.



Funny.