This is the first time anyone has said it makes it hard to read you. I don't think I've played a game where I haven't been wagoned day 1. In at least half of my games I get voted out day 1 or 2In post 1422, Grib wrote:Even without Firebringer, I’d say you still aren’t really anyone’s first elim choice. You have a pretty easygoing vibe that makes it hard to scumread you, imo.
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This is the first time anyone has said it makes it hard to scumread me. I don't think I've played a game where I haven't been wagoned day 1. In at least half of my games I get voted out day 1 or 2In post 1422, Grib wrote:Even without Firebringer, I’d say you still aren’t really anyone’s first elim choice. You have a pretty easygoing vibe that makes it hard to scumread you, imo.I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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I guess because the alternative is just bad play imo.In post 1421, Elements wrote:
Why do you think it's more likely a pocket attempt?In post 1418, Grib wrote:So when he said his Bella read was based on meta, that set off alarm bells. I’m leaning towards that fake read being used to pocket Bella, rather than shield her from pressure.
If BBT gave a meta townread on Bella with no substance when he is publicly vocal about hating meta reads, and Bella soft-townreads him and pokes and prods at non-BBT options when he's getting run up, then they just both get axed.
Okay maybe what I'm trying to say is that it feels way too easy.- Bellaphant
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Are you actually town?In post 1414, Elements wrote:Not_Mafia
Has vote for: Me (biggest wagon), Aisa (making it the biggest wagon), Bella (weren't really any wagons at the time), Frog (biggest wagon)
The only biggest wagon NM didn't voted for was BBT. Both day 1 and day 2.
Conclusion: NM fits with BBT as scum
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I mean I said pretty early on that despite the pressure, you kept doing your thing and I was like, ok that's probably a villager that doesn't give a shit.In post 1425, Elements wrote:
This is the first time anyone has said it makes it hard to read you. I don't think I've played a game where I haven't been wagoned day 1. In at least half of my games I get voted out day 1 or 2In post 1422, Grib wrote:Even without Firebringer, I’d say you still aren’t really anyone’s first elim choice. You have a pretty easygoing vibe that makes it hard to scumread you, imo.- Elements
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Yes, and why that particular quote?In post 1428, Bellaphant wrote:
Are you actually town?In post 1414, Elements wrote:Not_Mafia
Has vote for: Me (biggest wagon), Aisa (making it the biggest wagon), Bella (weren't really any wagons at the time), Frog (biggest wagon)
The only biggest wagon NM didn't voted for was BBT. Both day 1 and day 2.
Conclusion: NM fits with BBT as scum
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I get what you're saying but it's pretty circular reasoning. I need something else to help break the wheel.In post 1430, Elements wrote:the problem I have with "way too easy" reasoning is that just proves it isn't
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In post 1177, Bellaphant wrote:
This is fair. Tbf the thing I haven't made as clear as I thought was that bbt was always 'town enough ', rather than some lock town soul read and it was more the push on him that looked scumny, which made me more likely to think that he was town. I'd just been in the lost game, where he was a universal scum read for not great reasons and I was one of the scum team.In post 1155, Firebringer wrote:
can we revisit ur townreads from say day 1. Like how did u get BBT town from ur interactions. I had skimmed it and like BBT basically never talked to u. One or two mentions and it wasn't some discussion i would say indicates anything to anyone.In post 1121, Bellaphant wrote:My approach, generally, is to find town: I've spoken about this a lot recently, even in the personality test. It's what I'm struggling with here: I think if could just lock town like, you, grib, fire, bbt and Eir that's a lot, but I'm really iffy on you and grib and bbt.
So lets talk about it
I don't wanna talk about bbt any more, it's giving aisa silly ideas.
I think I was really clear that I never had a lock town town read on bbt - also, someone just asked if I was tr-ing fire end of day and yes, here.In post 1265, Bellaphant wrote:Gun to my head this is t v t. Pls can you both conaoldiate on a scum wagon? Fire, you should know your vote on me is bad by now.
If the final wagons are bbt v frog then we should do frog.
Why is anyone town reading elements?
I don't know what to make of elements at all. The enrgerg is massively different suddenly
P-edit that post looks town af, that's why.- Bellaphant
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I'm so hyped by this game right now ngl. I thought I was gonna get night killed. I really wanted BBT flipped because I thought he was scum and that it gives us lots of interactions and voting to look at (which I think it has) and now we have it I wanna dive deep.In post 1431, Grib wrote:I guess another reason I'm recently considering a scumread on you is it seems like you're playing differently now that BBT flipped. You're super gung-ho on gamesolving now but for the rest of the game it was drive-by votes and one-liners.
Also neurodivergence will do that to youI agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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That's like my whole point. You were half defending him but weren't hard committing cos there was so much pressure there you couldn't save the slot.In post 1434, Bellaphant wrote: I think I was really clear that I never had a lock town town read on bbt
I'm also coming round to eira/NM scum but I haven't gone through eira yet so there's still thatI agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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Earlier today I tried to meta Elements. I was leaning towards a townread and kind of looking for information to support that, but couldn't really find anything super solid.
Elem town games:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85772
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85877
Elem scum games:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=80648
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=83059
The one thing I've noticed is that she seemed slightly more "solvey" overall as town, and loves mech spec as scum. She's also been more solvey tonight than I've noticed in any of the games I skimmed. I'm not super sure on this one, but I think she may be town.
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Don't expect it to last.In post 1431, Grib wrote:You're super gung-ho on gamesolving now but for the rest of the game it was drive-by votes and one-liners.I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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I also haven't played for a couple of years if you want to factor that into it. I've got some off site games including a recent scum one if you want me to link you to thatIn post 1439, Aisa wrote:Earlier today I tried to meta Elements. I was leaning towards a townread and kind of looking for information to support that, but couldn't really find anything super solid.
Elem town games:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85772
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85877
Elem scum games:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=80648
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=83059
The one thing I've noticed is that she seemed slightly more "solvey" overall as town, and loves mech spec as scum. She's also been more solvey tonight than I've noticed in any of the games I skimmed. I'm not super sure on this one, but I think she may be town.
(Housemate situation: I decided to be a responsible adult and say hi)I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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BTW, this volume of posting is fun for one evening but if you guys start doing this every night I will start grumbling ^^
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Very relaxed tone and despite being a self declared "idiot as both alignemts" still manages to have strong opinions that I think have made an impact on the game.In post 1408, Aisa wrote:Elements, how is Enchant your strongest townread?
I think that there are certain players who can pull off an easygoing vibe as scum, but I think that the specific kind of spontaneous interaction and gamesolving that Elements has shown tonight is town indicative for a lot of players plain and simple.In post 1422, Grib wrote:Even without Firebringer, I’d say you still aren’t really anyone’s first elim choice.You have a pretty easygoing vibe that makes it hard to scumread you, imo.
Yeah, that's one of the reasons I ended up thinking the meta check was a bit of a fool's errand. Feel free to link the games if you want to do the work, but don't expect me to do the reading today, I've had enough of meta for one day haha.In post 1441, Elements wrote:
I also haven't played for a couple of years if you want to factor that into it. I've got some off site games including a recent scum one if you want me to link you to thatIn post 1439, Aisa wrote:Earlier today I tried to meta Elements. I was leaning towards a townread and kind of looking for information to support that, but couldn't really find anything super solid.
Elem town games:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85772
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=85877
Elem scum games:
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=80648
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=83059
The one thing I've noticed is that she seemed slightly more "solvey" overall as town, and loves mech spec as scum. She's also been more solvey tonight than I've noticed in any of the games I skimmed. I'm not super sure on this one, but I think she may be town.
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What I meant to say about this was: I think you may be onto something with the tone, but the way I see it he has spent 90% of the game memeing and 10% making sure he puts in a token contribution.In post 1419, Elements wrote:
Very relaxed tone and despite being a self declared "idiot as both alignemts" still manages to have strong opinions that I think have made an impact on the game.In post 1408, Aisa wrote:Elements, how is Enchant your strongest townread?
I'm not engaging with the Bella discussion rn because I feel like that's content that's easier to take in on a calm reread with a nice cup of tea.- Elements
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Latest Scum game:
https://warwick-mafia.freeforums.net/th ... eater-idea
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as mattready - https://warwick-mafia.freeforums.net/th ... s-disguise - Town - ew just made me read my deadname
https://warwick-mafia.freeforums.net/bo ... afia-games - there are a few others on here if you decide you wanted to look.
Yea only look if you want to, I just thought I'd share the most recent scum game I've played seeing as you were looking at my meta and I haven't played in a whileI agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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