Open 867: PYP: SEFD - Day Three

[Not_Mafia]

Can we just eliminate the bickerers?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Gosh I wanted to be impressed with Dann's catchup until the end where he landed on me and uggggh. Stand by for posts

[JohnnyFarrar]

I stand by my reads.

This seems bananas to me, but ok

[JohnnyFarrar]

can you explain what exactly you found scummy about this post

i can't tell if this hop on is too awkward to be scum

I also don't like kitty's vote ftr

[JohnnyFarrar]

I think Kitty tried to pull a fast one by rule-of-three’ing Junko in with me and Johnny as a townread

This is worth remembering

[JohnnyFarrar]

I THINK IT'X SUS DANNFLOR AND GAMMA AREN'T VOTING EACH OTHER

I simply don't follow this logic

[JohnnyFarrar]

Gamma tends towards survivalism as scum. But honestly, I don't think he's been that survivalistic this game.

Yes

I think Gamma's play has been a lot more curious and a lot less concerned with just getting votes off of him

As a small example of this you can look at their questions toward me last night. I wouldn't expected a vote from scum Gamma there.

Porkens leans town. I feel like the overly confrontational almost... indignant? tone of 383 reads town.

That post is also why I've been leary of pork voters

NK15

Everything said here sounds... fine. I probably wouldn't oppose an nk15 wagon but I'm just not enthusiastic about the prospect.

nsg, I have a specific idea of you as scum that you tend to be... a lot more passive than your town game.

Is this NOT passive? I'm having a hard time remembering nsg posts in general this game

multiple instances of trying to solve whole scum teams, which just doesn't seem like a natural way for a town player to think about the game?

Junko's... thought process (for lack of better terminology) has also caught me off guard this game, but I think it's just that our brains don't jive, not that they're scum.

okay so this is my pet scum read I'm really excited about

See I like this tone

I've been V/lA for 3 days

This feels shitty of me to not have taken into account. I genuinely forgot and don't mean to pressure you for having limited access, I apologize.

I'm pretty sure this is a post-hoc explanation to the vote on me.

As for this, you're kinda right? I've had the icks about your slot for a while now and I was trying to put it into words. I'm not really a "case" guy.

Putting aside the fact that I no longer scum read Gamma or Porkens, this is something that applies to like, a lot of people in the game that scum read one or both of these slots?

This reads like another "why me"

I also have thought in general that the way he's approaching this game is not very curious. He doesn't really seem to care about what anyone's alignment is. If I look at 386, it feels like Johnny is viewing the game as categorizing people into boxes of whether it would look good to vote there or not. I don't necessarily take issue with the "good place or bad place to vote" sort of style, what is scummy is the focus on the optics.

I mean, I've just been doing this lately? I'm a shit scum hunter 9/10 times, especially on d1, so i tend to focus on where I'm comfortable voting and voice those opinions somewhat often so people can discuss with me if desired.

I also think the hedging on Yume because Yume claimed a role isn't really a town mindset. I don't think town should be acting "afraid" of killing roles in this setup. This feels like someone approaching the setup from the wrong side.

See earlier YOU were the one being precious about PRs. I think if we're gonna vote someone for low content, we shouldn't vote someone who's already claimed something. I'm not sorry for thinking that, because I'm right.

I think this is scum being hyper sensitive about their image and how they look voting places.

This is an absolute first

[JohnnyFarrar]

I don't hate the defense or the cross vote.... hmmm.

Johnny, if you're town, can you tell me if you have any strong reads on not me slots. 552 shows that you can pull corroborated reads out of the air that aren't just a hedge mess. what are your strongest town reads? I do not have a sense whether you genuinely town read Gamma + Porkens or whether you just want to keep defending them because of lack of scuminess. What are their towniest posts?

So I townread porkens and null read gamma. I mentioned in the above posts the spots where I agree with you about how their play doesn't pou t to them being scum, and I also just hate the votes/reasons for the votes on Gamma in particular.

In your experience do scum have trouble townreading people? This seems like a silly question/ layup if you actually think I'm scum. Scum Johnny would have 8 townreads right now, just cuz I would know I'm right.

[JohnnyFarrar]

KITTY, TOO, I THINK THEY ARE TRUSTWORTHY

I have a guess as to who you are

[JohnnyFarrar]

I don't feel like I have to make a case for any of those tbh, they are not even being voted

NOT MAFIA TOWNREAD?

This post made me laugh

[Dannflor]

KittyTacky if you think Gamma is being so weird why aren't you voting there

or voting anywhere for that matter

1. Because I'm not sure if it's scummy.
2. Good question, doing a reread RN to determine a good vote.

HAS KITTY EVER WRITTEN A POST LIKE THIS AS SCUM?

Probably? It feels pretty performative

What part of it feels unlike scum!Kitty?

[Dannflor]

In your experience do scum have trouble townreading people? This seems like a silly question/ layup if you actually think I'm scum. Scum Johnny would have 8 townreads right now, just cuz I would know I'm right.

It's not that I think you have a lack of town reads, I just found your reads on Gamma/Porkens must interesting because they are the names that have come up most in your ISO except for me. It's mostly that I feel like I don't have a good sense for *any* of your reads besides myself

I mean, I have a conception of who you would vote for, but not who you think is scum? Except for me recently

It makes me feel like you only decided I was actually scummy when you wanted to justify your vote. idk, do you feel like you have other scum reads at this point?

[Dannflor]

the scum teams(?) I posted are joky kinda not post, you don't seem to care much about setup but they are actually based on what everyone picked, you can get your own idea if you put a bit of time into checking the numbers

now I just gave you a better example of what I'm sitting on right now in 598

This feels like a shit ton of WIFOM

I know it's the kind of thing BEAR is interested in but I definitely subscribe more to the NSG idea that this sort of shit is just trying to divine tea leaves needlessly

can you elaborate more on your scum read of porkens now that I've explained how I got to a town read? like what specific parts of porkens' iso bother you most?

[Dannflor]

KittyTacky's vote on me is one of the bad ones. I admit I have trouble reading this slot because he's seemingly the scummiest slot in the game every single game he is in. I think the defense of me by saying Roden was engaging with me in bad faith into voting me over... what? is a very ?????? progression. popping in to say "I stand by my reads" is awful after having explained like 0 reads.

I don't know this slot frustrates me and I'd happily wagon it. like I don't know what else to say about this slot other than it's scummy. I don't really know how to pull more reads out of KittyTacky that will help me town read them other than just wait and hope they start having some believable progressions. I guess the vote on Porkens was like fine. but other than that I just have a hard time believing the words typed by this cat.

I DON'T THINK THIS IS AI

yeah maybe

I don't have much faith in my ability to read kittytacky

if you feel like you are an expert on KittyTacky's meta I would appreciate a breakdown

[Dannflor]

I think Kitty tried to pull a fast one by rule-of-three’ing Junko in with me and Johnny as a townread

This is worth remembering

I don't really understand this

is it just a pre flip associative between Junko and Kitty

[PenguinPower]

most likely gamma porkens NSG

likely penguin katty jhonny

less likely dannfloor yume roden

Rest: Town

I know going from 13 to 9 ain't much but hey, it's day 1

Why are you trying to guess the whole scumteam?

[Dannflor]

This feels shitty of me to not have taken into account. I genuinely forgot and don't mean to pressure you for having limited access, I apologize.

See, I didn't really think you were? also you don't have to apologize, unless you are scum and it was malicious

But you were asked to explain your vote from several pages ago

and it feels like you decided I was scum after that?

As for this, you're kinda right? I've had the icks about your slot for a while now and I was trying to put it into words. I'm not really a "case" guy.

can you explain more what your initial thought process was in voting me after Roden? if you remember?

[KittyTacky]

You're null.

I actually do want to deter this wagon because Roden's actions around you feel shitty and in bad faith, IDK where you got that.

mmm I feel it's weird to want to deter a wagon on me but also have me as null

Null = still more likely town than scum because there's more townies than scum.

No! Bad! null = scum because inevitably people *always* end up null reading scum

like without fail

i don't know why I'm trying to convince you to scum read me

What on God's green Earth is this post? OK you're scummy.
VOTE: Dannflor

can you explain what exactly you found scummy about this post

i can't tell if this hop on is too awkward to be scum

The "No! Bad!" just feels really fake and the claim immediately after is statistically wrong.

[KittyTacky]

I'm finding it a little hard to engage with this game.

Ask me anything. Reads, mech spec, anything. I want to engage with someone.

[Dannflor]

I mean I was being a little facetious with the no bad

statistically once people have a list of town > scum then scum is usually more often found in the null reads, outside of players with exceptional read rates

[Dannflor]

I'm finding it a little hard to engage with this game.

Ask me anything. Reads, mech spec, anything. I want to engage with someone.

your read on Johnny would be helpful

[JohnnyFarrar]

idk, do you feel like you have other scum reads at this point?

I mean, not strong ones. I feel like this game is a bunch of big personalities clashing in non AI ways and it's hard to sift through that.

I talked myself out of my bear and Junko scumreads because I think I just think differently than them. Not that they're particularly townie but I'm just not comfortable pushing them

I think Kitty is scum here but I kind of always think Kitty is scum

[JohnnyFarrar]

It makes me feel like you only decided I was actually scummy when you wanted to justify your vote.

I just went back cuz I coulda swore I voiced some yucky gut feelings about you in my initial readthrough, but I guess I didn't. I had been nursing a gut scumread on you from the jump, and I'm still not sure I can put it into words.

[Dannflor]

hmmmm

[Gamma Emerald]

Well that was ceartainly a treat,

anyway I agree with you except on porkens and gamma tho,

tbh I approach day 1 not expecting to catch mafia but to read into interactions, who feels like it's buddy buddy with who and who is spacing from who, that's my town game.

the scum teams(?) I posted are joky kinda not post, you don't seem to care much about setup but they are actually based on what everyone picked, you can get your own idea if you put a bit of time into checking the numbers

now I just gave you a better example of what I'm sitting on right now in 598