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Post Post #1975 (ISO) » Mon Oct 31, 2022 4:27 am

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In post 1859, Marashu wrote:Willing to move my vote to mastina in the morning.
In post 1861, Marashu wrote:Don't think it's to our benefit to risk having the day end too early if someone fasthammers.
In post 1863, Marashu wrote:Dunno, I'm too drained to think right, but it feels like a risk anyway so I don't want to without clarity of mind.
This also feels really needlessly performative


Marashu - can you explain why you went from having mastina as town to being willing to vote her?
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Post Post #1976 (ISO) » Mon Oct 31, 2022 4:34 am

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In post 1971, Charloux wrote:@Dann:
Could you explain to me your thought process behind the wagon on Mastina.
1)You made a case on Alisae
2)Alisae called for a wagon on Mastina
3)You instantly sheeped her
I changed my mind on Alisae and I never town read Mastina
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Post Post #1977 (ISO) » Mon Oct 31, 2022 4:35 am

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actually I'm just going to say it because I think holding it is very unlikely to be beneficial - I don't think shiro's claim of information on Marashu is real at all. I think it was probably some kind of gambit to see if scum would shoot marashu. But I think continuing to play along with it atp is antitown. I straight up do not believe it's at all likely based on what I've seen of this setup that Shiro would have any sort of information from his role that would tell him that.


I'm probably going to take a look at the mastina voters and their rationale later today when I'm off work and have time to properly deep dive.
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Post Post #1978 (ISO) » Mon Oct 31, 2022 4:38 am

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I mean - now it's time for Shiro to clarify for sure because they de-rerailed the Marashu wagon over it.
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Post Post #1979 (ISO) » Mon Oct 31, 2022 4:49 am

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In post 1961, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:
In post 1935, KittyTacky wrote:There's a genuine conviction there. Scum would be a bit or a lot more cautious pushing a townie.
YOU DON'T CONSIDER THAT THIS IS FAKED?

VOTE: TITUS
I did consider it but came to the conclusion that it isn't.
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Post Post #1980 (ISO) » Mon Oct 31, 2022 4:51 am

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In post 1967, Datisi wrote:
In post 1909, KittyTacky wrote:People are telling me to engage more but at the same time not engaging with me when I try to facilitate that. So, ask me anything, take two.
this feels like... something scum would say, i think? like it's showing a clear misunderstanding of what people actually want from him.

is it exactly scummy? ehh, i dunno. his play already has so much scummy in it, i probably don't even need this point, but it felt like something that i should call out anyway.

oh yeah, also i DID ask kitty questions about his townread on me, and yet he did not respond. funny.
1. Again I am autistic, I misunderstand things as town too. Misinterpreting things is NAI for me.
2. OK.
3. I must have missed them, I will respond now (or rather tomorrow as I'm about to go to sleep) if you point me to these posts but I have already explained my townread enough I feel.
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Post Post #1981 (ISO) » Mon Oct 31, 2022 4:57 am

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In post 1970, Charloux wrote:
In post 1902, KittyTacky wrote: I called that Mastina is town. IDK why I am being flashwagoned. I think we should follow mastina's reads now that she is conf town.
I think you know very well why you are being flashwagoned. What makes you think town can't make mistakes? And i'm pretty sure people can't read souls, so this whole line of thought is redundant.
Of course town can make mistakes but I don't think mastina did there. But I may be deathtunneling Norwe too much.
In post 1906, KittyTacky wrote:Get Norwe, then get Alisae.
Why not Alisae first? You better not say you are following Mastina's instructions and turned your brain off.
I'm fine with Alisae too, in fact I will switch since people are unwilling to vote Norwe.

In post 1934, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 1915, Alisae wrote:
In post 1902, KittyTacky wrote:I think we should follow mastina's reads now that she is conf town.
Like, this is not real man.
*points to random post* THIS IS NOT REAL

And I'm the one not playing? Your case on me amounts to "his tone is weird".
She didn't say your post is fake. She said "this is not real" in disbelief.
I read it as "the tone here is faked".

Btw say a number between 1 and 67
32
VOTE: Alisae
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Post Post #1982 (ISO) » Mon Oct 31, 2022 5:02 am

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In post 1973, catboi wrote:I have basically not been thinking about this game at all because it pained me to do so but I am back now so let's go
In post 1706, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 1580, catboi wrote:why is it scummy?
Because T3 doesn't seem to be faking imo and just seems to be genuinely struggling with catching up.
In post 1707, KittyTacky wrote:Yes they are a null read but the wagon is still strange because I don't see a good reason for it.
In post 1709, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 1584, Alisae wrote:Might as well disclose it since scum likely know by now.
Titus joined Wind Clan and I asked in wind clan if we could potentially flashwagon T3 since I townread everyone else in hood. This makes sense since we were talking about if there was scum in the hood and I thought if there was scum in our hood its probs just T3.
Norwee agreed with the idea so I went with it. I obvs couldn't get to check in with Val or Shiro about it since time was kind off of the essence. It was an idea worth trying because maybe if we did say eliminate T3 and flip him before he could tell scum that Titus joined Wind Clan, that would be a huge edge to have over scum. This is assuming he does flip scum ofc.
Ah. Well I think you're scum, this wagon is scum-motivated, and so T3 is more likely town unless it's a bus. :shrug:
I have a big issue with this and it's that the reasoning is essentially circular - alisae is scummy for wagoning T3, T3 is null but he's more likely to be town because alisae is wagoning him, there's no root reasoning for any of it. I thought alisae's reason for the vote was basically fine even if the declaration of "we gotta flashwagon T3" was weird
Not just for wagoning T3, also for pushing me with a very fluffy reasoning, like she just jumped on a forming LHF wagon.


and as far as I can tell kittytacky has basically never, at any point, had a coherent reason for calling alisae scum?
I admit I should have been more articulate with my read on her but I was busy deathtunneling, genuinely my mistake.


+ some suggestion that alisae is chainsawing for norwee


(for voting him)






Like, looking at this stuff...I don't get the sense kittytacky is actually trying to evaluate alisae's alignment at all
False
, there's no case
False
, no examination of posts
What is there to examine when basically all of her case is fluff itself?
, literally no substance to the read
How so?
, he's just repeating alisae is scum ad nauseam without actually explaining why at any point
I just explained it. And I'm fairly sure I did before.
. There's only so much you can fall back on "this is my playstyle" as a defense
And I'm not doing that here
. Even less talkative players usually have some visible line of thought but I'm not really getting that at all with kittytacky
My fault honestly
, I can't tell where the scumread actually originated from
Her opportunistic shitpush on me and chainsaw of Norwe
and everything past that point has basically been accusing alisae of scum for pushing him. The stuff about T3 basically set off a flag for me because it's basically starting from the presumption alisae is scum and then painting everything they do as scummy. I'm just not seeing the substance here, at all.
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Post Post #1983 (ISO) » Mon Oct 31, 2022 5:03 am

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If this style of response is too annoying, I apologize but I cba to make 15 quotes.
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Post Post #1984 (ISO) » Mon Oct 31, 2022 5:03 am

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Good nyaight.
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Post Post #1985 (ISO) » Mon Oct 31, 2022 5:35 am

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In post 1892, Alisae wrote:btw, you wanna hear how you do cancel culture right?

There's this misconception about cancel culture that to cancel someone you start personally attacking them.
That doesn't make a whole lot of sense cause that's just being a shitty person.

Here is what you do.
Take who you wanna cancel, so KittyTacky in this case, and you do not engage with him. You do not interact with his posts. You do not engage about the topic other than telling people that you're not engaging with it and these are the reason's that you shouldn't engage with it.

Because this is the person that wrote this post.
In post 1180, KittyTacky wrote:
In post 1129, Alisae wrote:VOTE: Kitty
Norwee abandon ship
Opportunism. Scum.
There is no talking to this person.
Talking to this person in main thread means you are wasting yours posts.
I MEAN JUST LOOK AT THIS
In post 1891, KittyTacky wrote:I called it. I fucking called it. Now let's catpile Norwe.

VOTE: Norwegian
This person is not worth your posts. He is only worth your vote.
ik this seems like not an entirely serious post but i still don't really like the approach, kitty seems like someone who is more sortable by talking to them and trying to get them engaged in the game

in their past scum games they usually struggled to respond to pushes on them and questioning of them consistently. they've already done more here in that respect than they ever have before

idk what the point of not engaging with them would be. if you think that everything they post is obvscum then what's wrong with people trying to talk to them and having them post more
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Post Post #1986 (ISO) » Mon Oct 31, 2022 5:38 am

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In post 1985, fireisredsir wrote:in their past scum games they usually struggled to respond to pushes on them and questioning of them consistently. they've already done more here in that respect than they ever have before
have you looked at all his scumgames? which ones?
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Post Post #1987 (ISO) » Mon Oct 31, 2022 5:40 am

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don't really like misty jumping on right after that either tbh

bear's interaction there feels more like towny evaluating things and thinking it through, whereas misty's posting feels like there's an agenda behind it
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Post Post #1988 (ISO) » Mon Oct 31, 2022 5:44 am

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In post 1986, Datisi wrote:
In post 1985, fireisredsir wrote:in their past scum games they usually struggled to respond to pushes on them and questioning of them consistently. they've already done more here in that respect than they ever have before
have you looked at all his scumgames? which ones?
newbie 2100 and LN239 were the ones i looked at most thoroughly, besides turing test

i think he had one or two others but i didn't look at them recently, i at least briefly skimmed everything a while ago and felt like his response to pressure wasn't ever much more engaged than it was in turing test
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Post Post #1989 (ISO) » Mon Oct 31, 2022 5:45 am

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ok his posts on page 77 do be looking kinda fake tho
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Post Post #1990 (ISO) » Mon Oct 31, 2022 5:46 am

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i do remember him using the "you're just pushing me bc I'm LHF town and you're opportunistic scum" line in one of those previous scumgames so idk lol
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Post Post #1991 (ISO) » Mon Oct 31, 2022 5:49 am

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In post 1919, SCRRRDBEAR wrote:
In post 1918, Dannflor wrote:my only vibe from Titus previously was "disengaged" but I don't think that's AI
DAMN THAT'S TOO BAD BECAUSE I WAS SCUM READING THEM FOR IT.
ive correctly townread titus for this in the past tbh and i kind of was early in this game. idk if its like a strong towntell or anything but i kind of think it's a lean at least

some of the more recent posting sketched me out a bit more tho
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Post Post #1992 (ISO) » Mon Oct 31, 2022 6:00 am

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I agree that bear’s reactions the last few pages have been pitch perfect to my ears in terms of towniness.
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Post Post #1993 (ISO) » Mon Oct 31, 2022 6:02 am

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In post 1986, Datisi wrote:
In post 1985, fireisredsir wrote:in their past scum games they usually struggled to respond to pushes on them and questioning of them consistently. they've already done more here in that respect than they ever have before
have you looked at all his scumgames? which ones?
I can’t not scum read you for posts like this.
Who investigates this angle?
What are you expecting to find? Them lying? Something to agree or disagree on? Where is this going to lead? Is it a good use of your time? Will it help you read fire?
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Post Post #1994 (ISO) » Mon Oct 31, 2022 6:08 am

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In post 1965, Datisi wrote:hey bear, do you think me pushing kitty throughout like half of day 1 is also trying too hard to create anti associates?

wait, no, you probably didn't read a single post i made past like page 20 or whenever it was. sure. cool. excellent play.
hmm

i have a lot of thoughts about this post and im not sure which ones are right
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Post Post #1995 (ISO) » Mon Oct 31, 2022 6:21 am

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VOTE: misty
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Post Post #1996 (ISO) » Mon Oct 31, 2022 6:27 am

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In post 1970, Charloux wrote:Can you explain to me why its a townbin instead of a townread?
I'm not really revisiting or thinking critically about it at all atm
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Post Post #1997 (ISO) » Mon Oct 31, 2022 6:29 am

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In post 1970, Charloux wrote:Well there's also the warrior ceremony provides 1-shot bp.
...was this known or did you out it for no reason
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Post Post #1998 (ISO) » Mon Oct 31, 2022 6:34 am

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In post 1997, Cephrir wrote:
In post 1970, Charloux wrote:Well there's also the warrior ceremony provides 1-shot bp.
...was this known or did you out it for no reason
actually wait how was this known

this is not public information to the leaders afaik
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Post Post #1999 (ISO) » Mon Oct 31, 2022 6:34 am

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i really should start reading these walls...

@Charloux: why did we have a speculative conversation in the PT where I said just that and you continued to speculate otherwise...then you just decide to out that now?
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