Cosmos Mafia (Dawn 1)

[MegAzumarill]

VC 1.0.17



Mastina (4) T-Bone, Radical Rat, Maid Cafe, professotic, [E-5]
Radical Rat(4) Mastina, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow, Yume, furtiveglance [E-5]

professotic (3) Bunnyonce, MMR, Enchant


Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (1) scarfmanship
Frozen Angel (1) unwnd
unwnd (1) ydrasse

Not Voting (3) Frozen Angel, Past Present Future, Mathblade

With 17 Alive it takes 9 to Eliminate
Deadline: 2 Days *

*Frozen until a replacement is found for Frozen Angel.

[MathBlade]

Wait but there's not a phase named "Day"

I assumed you meant Dawn 1, the second Day equivalent phase.

I know you've said Dusk 2 before though, I guess I just didn't process it as such...

Point's the same though

Dusk 2 or Dawn 2. Still hate the names and agree on point the same.

Unwd understands mechanics a lot though so the minor things matter.

[Past Present Future]

I'm sad to announce that, cause of my newly added real life commitments I will not have the time to continue playing this game so I have to replace out. It was my pleasure to play with you all even if it was for just one phase of a mafia game again.

I'm not going to disappear from website again and wont be leaving for years again though and will join more games/mod games in near future so will see you all again in near future <3

You will be missed. <3

[Past Present Future]

My own rule of thumb is that highposting bodes well for more townies barring a highposter having some sort of value beyond just well, posting

I understand this take is without context, but you play enough of these games and you start to notice patterns. Does anyone believe that the notated users have any scum equity? Open question

professotic, Past Present Future, and Yume are all in my scum pool.

Are these players independently scummy or do you think this could comprise a scumteam? The only time I think a scumteam high posts is if they're comfortable enough to do it with another. It can be awkward if you don't know your teammates too well to properly have filler conversation

I think PPF and Yume are potential partners for mastina, and professotic is potentially on the other scumteam.

Can you expand this thought for me in shortform/longform

Whichever you prefer

I don't think this needs explaining, but it's not accurate and I'm struggling to believe RR has these reads as town. These 3 players seem to be 'aligned' based on saying the similar things and defending each other. But individually they're quite towny. Yume in particular, different to when I've seen them as mafia. Mastina seems to have that kind of ego/paranoia they always have. And PPF - can't remember who said it but all 3 heads in town meta. Idk Auro too well but agree on the other 2. So tldr is bad reads from RR, not because they don't make sense but bc they do on a surface level.

I think you could be right. @RR how do you not remember me from Datisi’s and Pooky’s games? I also think these reads don’t make a helluva a lot of sense. And having Yume in your PoE is especially bad.

[Past Present Future]

They say a picture can say a thousand words but MathBlade has already used half of them. Instinct tells me to read that as a positive for him being town but shrug

My own rule of thumb is that highposting bodes well for more townies barring a highposter having some sort of value beyond just well, posting

I understand this take is without context, but you play enough of these games and you start to notice patterns. Does anyone believe that the notated users have any scum equity? Open question

@unwnd, is high post count the only reason you think I’m town because activity is actually nia for me. It’s the content that is what’s ai for me. I think that’s true for both heads.

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: RadicalRat

[unwnd]

They say a picture can say a thousand words but MathBlade has already used half of them. Instinct tells me to read that as a positive for him being town but shrug

My own rule of thumb is that highposting bodes well for more townies barring a highposter having some sort of value beyond just well, posting

I understand this take is without context, but you play enough of these games and you start to notice patterns. Does anyone believe that the notated users have any scum equity? Open question

@unwnd, is high post count the only reason you think I’m town because activity is actually nia for me. It’s the content that is what’s ai for me. I think that’s true for both heads.

That post about 'these people are likely town because they are active' is effectively just me bringing up a talking point to ease myself into the game. Already clarified only person I would reliably meta on activity is MathBalde

[unwnd]

Also please let me know if you want my posts to be more condensed or you're fine with stream-of-consciousness style

I'm not trying to add to the thread with self-importance

[Past Present Future]

I think Math is town for a lot of reasons but not for that. He spammed up a storm in LOST but here he’s producing content. Plus in LOST he vaguely hinted at a non-existent tpr for pretty much no reason where as here, it looks legit.

[Past Present Future]

Also please let me know if you want my posts to be more condensed or you're fine with stream-of-consciousness style

I'm not trying to add to the thread with self-importance

I much prefer stream of consciousness posting, wallposts actually gives me headaches to read.

[MathBlade]

Also please let me know if you want my posts to be more condensed or you're fine with stream-of-consciousness style

I'm not trying to add to the thread with self-importance

I don’t particularly care which way.

Mainly we need someone to lead.

I was not allowed to be leader and people complained I was too active despite most of it being defense/town coordination.

I go silent and game does. Mainly I think the scum team doesn’t want a Mastina elim.

[Titus]

Someone come get me when deadline unfreezes. Don't care to read days of posturing.

[Past Present Future]

Someone come get me when deadline unfreezes. Don't care to read days of posturing.

[unwnd]

My own rule of thumb is that highposting bodes well for more townies barring a highposter having some sort of value beyond just well, posting

I understand this take is without context, but you play enough of these games and you start to notice patterns. Does anyone believe that the notated users have any scum equity? Open question

professotic, Past Present Future, and Yume are all in my scum pool.

Are these players independently scummy or do you think this could comprise a scumteam? The only time I think a scumteam high posts is if they're comfortable enough to do it with another. It can be awkward if you don't know your teammates too well to properly have filler conversation

I think PPF and Yume are potential partners for mastina, and professotic is potentially on the other scumteam.

Can you expand this thought for me in shortform/longform

Whichever you prefer

Right, uh.

mastina has been a contentious slot most of the game, had a big toxic 1v1 with MathBlade earlier, along the way she forced MathBlade into a premature claim, compiling and exposing his crumbs, while insisting she actually had the role MathBlade was crumbing, and that meant MathBlade was scum (but somehow not her?), but then after MathBlade claimed D2 Dayvig, mastina said that wasn't actually her role and she thought he was crumbing something else undisclosed, but MathBlade was still totally scum, and so was everyone who scumreads her, and threatened to publicly harass any Town on her wagon in future games for daring to be wrong about her. Eventually the wagon on her got all the way to E-2, but no one else was willing to make the move, some believing mastina's frustration to be genuine and therefore Town (I think it's MOSTLY genuine, but still scum), some insisting that this is actually totally her Town meta, which I do not agree with and also means nothing in multiball, but that's where the wagon stalled and splintered.

Among the latter is PPF, who I think demonstrated too much confidence in the townread, and Yume who I ALSO think demonstrated too much confidence, and also made a completely bonkers claim about being able to verify SPECIFICALLY mastina and MathBlade's alignments, but not in a cop way, and stated that if she gets blocked (a near certainty if scum have any kind of blocking ability) that just makes mastina more Town, because scum only ever block inno results and not guilties I guess? She wouldn't elaborate on the claim any further.

Then professotic was on the mastina wagon, left because he didn't like any of the counterwagons being proposed by mastina's defenders, and tried to start a counter-counterwagon on Bunnyonce, backfired because people thought the move off mastina looked weird and threw a tantrum claiming to quit the game after being voted by people who should have probably been scumreads anyway? They've since NOT actually quit the game, but the whole deal was just a very peculiar mess.

I hope you were able to follow that, but I think that about covers where my head's at for now.

In summation of events (for reference):

- Mastina was spinning hypothetical about MathBlade, surmised by picking up on his crumbs. This led Mastina to believe MathBlade had her role.
- MathBlade retorted by claiming his role early.
- Mastina persisted by saying that 'wasn't her real role' and that she actually had another one. Despite the claim, her own reasoning and dedication to the process (threatening others, "paranoia", etc.) lead her to think MathBlade was still scum regardless.
- A wagon formed on Mastina getting her to E-2; some outsiders[citation needed] believed Mastina's frustration was genuine. This caused the wagon to "stall and splinter."
- We are now here

Your own reasoning:

- You believe mastina is being genuine with her emotions, but that still makes her scum. You believe that the wagon stalling also is indicastive of scum meddling as well.
- Your scumreads refer to these outsiders, more specifically Yume and PPF. You think that they have too much confidence in their townread on mastina.
- Yume in particular has TOO much confidence, and made a completely 'bonkers' claim about being able to verify both their alignments. Something about if she's blocked (personally, Yume's reasoning sounds inconclusive lol)
- Professortc was initially on the mastina wagon, but has stuck his nose up at the counterwagons proposed by 'mastina defenders'. He tried to start a cw on Bunnyonce.
- You think that him trying to do so looked 'weird', and then he threw a tantrum threatening to quit the game.

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I'll look into this event because the way you described it seems the most important to me. I think that your reasoning is a bit hearsay but as it stands I think the best course of action is to resolve between mastina/MathBlade. I'm not sure what the exact arguments are but I'll know more once I uh, you know actually look into it

[unwnd]

Generally speaking I find multiball scum behavior to be more affixed on survival. I think if it hasn't been said-- mastina getting desperate sounds similar to that practice?

Will stop POSTURING for now and read. However don't expect me to immediately come back as I have other priorities not related to Mafia today

[MathBlade]

Spoiler:

I know that saying this secures me as the elimination because if I were the one READING it, I'd call it scum AtE, especially since it is a very un-mastina-like thing to do. (And yes, that saying this, literally all of it, doesn’t make it any less scum.)

But to be honest.
Right now I'm not feeling like pretending to be mastina.

Or rather, I don’t want to feel boxed in to pretending to be what I know mastina is. I don’t have the time I wanted to talk about this, but I had a thought of,
"Why do I even bother."
I had the urge to post that, but a voice told me, "hey, that's not a thought that mastina should have, don't display it publicly".

And it's not!

It doesn't fit my style as either alignment. I don’t post that way as scum, I don't post that way as town, it's a very foreign concept to the mastina persona.

But I don’t feel like pretending to match the mastina persona right now.

I know that I have been in my towngame the entire time, and to briefly go back into the mastina persona:
Genuinely, if you are town, you NEVER get to EVER say you can read me again, EVER, if you scumread me. This is Genuinely one of my towniest games of all time, and if you can't see that, you don’t fucking know how to read me. And never pretend you can, because this isn’t an unusual game from me. This IS me.

Well, prior to this post, at least. But this single not-mastina post does not erase that my entire play prior to this WAS mastina. So if you thought that my content prior to this post wasn't me as town: NEVER claim that you can read me again. I will quote this post every. Single. Time. And will NOT let you forget.

But slipping back out of mastina mode, I had those thoughts.
"Why do I even try."
"What's the point of trying."
"I don’t know why I bother."
And even,
"I give up."

mastina never gives up. It's literally against her fundamental philosophy.

Scumastina believes in fighting to the bitter end. Even when she's literally confscum, she believes that the game isn’t over until the last scum dies. And if she's the last scum, she might know that she has a 0% chance of winning, but for good sport, she refuses to surrender and makes the town still work for the inevitable victory.
And in multiball, she has extra incentive to fight. If she goes down, her scumteam is pretty much fucked. (Multiball2 is notably an exception to this rule, because I was negative utility there. It was my belief that we couldn't win with me alive, so I needed to die. After setting FL up for success, obv.)

Town mastina is relentless. She is conviction personified. Absolute faith in herself to be right, no matter what. Being proven wrong isn’t a setback. And new evidence doesn't change prior reads, barring extreme circumstances.
She pushes, continuously, hard, with absolute strength and resolve, with the belief that she is right.
Literally every game recently, a song has had some of the lyrics play through my mind, a personification of my mindset:
"And I am VINDICATED. I am selfish, (I'm not wrong), I'm right, I know I'm right, I've been that way all along". (Not the exact lyrics of the song, mind you; my mental paraphrase of it with all alterations is me claiming the song as mine.)

So when I say mastina never gives up, I mean it. She never does. Regardless of her alignment. The thought of giving up is foreign to her.

But I don't feel like putting on the mastina persona right now, because with how much shit I'm going through, I just DO feel like giving up.

I've literally broken every promise I made to myself for mafia games. I've skipped working out, slacked off on work, am typing in a mafia game rather than working on my novel or keeping up to date on the discord servers I frequent. I haven't streamed, done art, played league or tft (I literally missed out on a full week of tft quests, which guarantees I don’t get the T3 emote) or the new Disney Dreamlight event.

My life has been pretty much exclusively games (which shows if you do a site search--when was my last non-game post? When was my last not-ongoing mafia post?), and I am angry. I am tired. I am frustrated. I am exhausted.

The mastina persona is in particular furious, but I don’t have the ability to muster forth the will to type out that rage. (Oh there’s definitely facets who want me to. But I have the steering wheel, not them, so I'm not.)

There is just physical, mental, and especially emotional, fatigue going on.

So I just don’t feel like trying anymore.

I know that it’s not a mastina thing to do, but I want to say it anyway:

Objectively, I know that MathBlade's way of claiming is probably town, that there are signs of him not being scum, and importantly: that scum are among those who say it's SvS, those who weakly say it's TvT without trying to defuse it unless they have a good reason they can't (e.g. Titus is town, with this belief, but swamped), and those on the sidelines, with a few who are also scum taking the most convenient stance for them.

But subjectively, I feel like MB was crumbing my type of role (by the way--not claiming. Fuck that.), not a killing role, and that his claim fits as a modified factional nightkill, and that 90+% of his posting is scum.

Plus, without him, the options for scum are rather slim.
My locktowns are NEVER scum here. PPF, Yume, etc. Are all never scum.

And most of my townreads, I feel quite strongly about.

So like, the scum pool is quite small.

I know that objectively I should listen to objectivity, but I don't have a direction, so I just don’t know what to do and feel like giving up.

Fair that you think that but I am more wanting to figure out the size of the teams rather than particular roles. If I can find the teams I can find the people. And if I can find the people then that’s where I will be good.

Anyone here can speak to me finding roles without fishing rather easily. So I guess I am people fishing more than role fishing.
Trying to set up my vision to speak on the right targets.

I am keeping my scope on you Mastina.

Don’t worry. I don’t think I will be yeeted this game.
Call it a good hunch.

I think the Mastina problem takes care of herself.

And I don’t think Mastina escapes.
I don’t have to have Mastina today.

I think you’re panicking here without reading between the lines.
I am not interested in a fight that can be resolved later when I have ample evidence to explain my case.

Mastina while she’s clearly scum to me I don’t think will be a problem.
If I die and she’s not dead then full steam ahead imho.
But until then I can watch, wait, and see.

We vibin
We rollin

Because it’d end up being a page and page shit fest today and I think there’s more ways to be productive.
———-
Where I want you
———-
Where you are
If you get my jist

You’re either elimmed or I get to E-1 I claim then you’re elimmed.

I am 95% sure you are scum here because you haven’t seen the many many many hints if you are scum as to just how dead you are if you some how successful in miselimming me.

If you’re town on that 5% odds you are, back the fuck off. Now.
A good half if not more realizes exactly what I am doing here Mastina.
You are quite literally dead wrong pretty soon if you don’t re-evaluate.
It’s only a matter of when, not if.

if I become tunnel me it’s even more disastrous than usual for my tunnel game. If that doesn’t spell out

exactly

why I am playing this game the way I am and why I want people to provide that overview it will become painfully apparent.

Like you’re walking in a heavenly bakery and calling it hell bad.

I am giving your slot a chance to be sorted.

And if she doesn’t may the mod have blessing on our souls

I am also being deliberate in trying *not* to be the focus of attention believe it or not.

Again my posts are cooking and I know Titus is busy but that post I asked you to show her hopefully will explain a lot if you’re town. Or will at least point her at things she needs to see if she is town.
And if I am dead tomorrow *whelp*

I wanna cry at how close you are to seeing something.
Like if you’re town you’re like *right there* if you can see the itty bitty pieces of what’s there then look at those posts for the itty bitty pieces and why what Mastina is doing even giving her the benefit of the doubt she is town is so destructive.
I WANT to not have to make any more posts or as little as possible for days.

And most importantly of all:

Ask me on Day 2 (not Dusk 2) if I live. Then if it’s still scum influenced I’d be worried.

If I flip before MathBlade does, look at these series of posts when MathBlade inevitably tries to pivot his claim away from these breadcrumbs of what his role is when he realizes he was trying to claim MY role as his.

Context for you

[MathBlade]

I mean you might as well have told scum.

I'm either a Day 2 or Dusk 2 day vig.

I wanted to sit and get reads and fucking listen to people.

FFS I'm literally confirmable.

Other post too. Sorry for bad spoiler quote and formatting.

[Past Present Future]

Generally speaking I find multiball scum behavior to be more affixed on survival. I think if it hasn't been said-- mastina getting desperate sounds similar to that practice?

Will stop POSTURING for now and read. However don't expect me to immediately come back as I have other priorities not related to Mafia today

Unwnd, Titus wasn’t referring it you. I have only seen her act “desperate” when she was either town or endgaming scum and here she tonally reads town to me.

[furtiveglance]

My own rule of thumb is that highposting bodes well for more townies barring a highposter having some sort of value beyond just well, posting

I understand this take is without context, but you play enough of these games and you start to notice patterns. Does anyone believe that the notated users have any scum equity? Open question

professotic, Past Present Future, and Yume are all in my scum pool.

Are these players independently scummy or do you think this could comprise a scumteam? The only time I think a scumteam high posts is if they're comfortable enough to do it with another. It can be awkward if you don't know your teammates too well to properly have filler conversation

I think PPF and Yume are potential partners for mastina, and professotic is potentially on the other scumteam.

Can you expand this thought for me in shortform/longform

Whichever you prefer

I don't think this needs explaining, but it's not accurate and I'm struggling to believe RR has these reads as town. These 3 players seem to be 'aligned' based on saying the similar things and defending each other. But individually they're quite towny. Yume in particular, different to when I've seen them as mafia. Mastina seems to have that kind of ego/paranoia they always have. And PPF - can't remember who said it but all 3 heads in town meta. Idk Auro too well but agree on the other 2. So tldr is bad reads from RR, not because they don't make sense but bc they do on a surface level.

It happened only a page ago but I believe you scoffed(?) a bit at me 'trying to clear 5 people as town' but have 3/5 of them as that anyways

I wasn't scoffing, I admire the ambition and I think you're town for it.

[Past Present Future]

Someone come get me when deadline unfreezes. Don't care to read days of posturing.

This was about Math ftr. I probably should have carried more but I was sick. Now just apathetic.

[unwnd]

Generally speaking I find multiball scum behavior to be more affixed on survival. I think if it hasn't been said-- mastina getting desperate sounds similar to that practice?

Will stop POSTURING for now and read. However don't expect me to immediately come back as I have other priorities not related to Mafia today

Unwnd, Titus wasn’t referring it you. I have only seen her act “desperate” when she was either town or endgaming scum and here she tonally reads town to me.

Neglecting my reading to respond to this

Don't you think mastina is capable of faking tone? I just think tone really matters so little, especially with the more experienced player. mastina has that in bulk so I don't think it's proper to rely unless her tone is excruciatingly telling. I assume you think it is? What do you think of RR's reasoning?

[Past Present Future]

Someone come get me when deadline unfreezes. Don't care to read days of posturing.

This was about Math ftr. I probably should have carried more but I was sick. Now just apathetic.

We all know if another wagon surpasses mastina for too long, he'll declare it scum driven. Spam. I just want to skip that part.

~Titus

[MathBlade]

Someone come get me when deadline unfreezes. Don't care to read days of posturing.

This was about Math ftr. I probably should have carried more but I was sick. Now just apathetic.

We all know if another wagon surpasses mastina for too long, he'll declare it scum driven. Spam. I just want to skip that part.

~Titus

To the contrary. Supposedly the people defending Mastina say she’s town yet aren’t working to an alternative.

The lack of a wagon making it anywhere makes me think scum want a no elim.

[Past Present Future]

Someone come get me when deadline unfreezes. Don't care to read days of posturing.

This was about Math ftr. I probably should have carried more but I was sick. Now just apathetic.

We all know if another wagon surpasses mastina for too long, he'll declare it scum driven. Spam. I just want to skip that part.

~Titus

To the contrary. Supposedly the people defending Mastina say she’s town yet aren’t working to an alternative.

The lack of a wagon making it anywhere makes me think scum want a no elim.

RR has a bigger wagon? Professor is tied (I think). How is that not working together?

Who do YOU want to lim if not mastina?

[MathBlade]

Someone come get me when deadline unfreezes. Don't care to read days of posturing.

This was about Math ftr. I probably should have carried more but I was sick. Now just apathetic.

We all know if another wagon surpasses mastina for too long, he'll declare it scum driven. Spam. I just want to skip that part.

~Titus

To the contrary. Supposedly the people defending Mastina say she’s town yet aren’t working to an alternative.

The lack of a wagon making it anywhere makes me think scum want a no elim.

RR has a bigger wagon? Professor is tied (I think). How is that not working together?

Who do YOU want to lim if not mastina?

The wagons are bigger but there is no champion trying to make a town block. You can have votes pile on but there’s no cooperation.