Cosmos Mafia (Dawn 1)

[Past Present Future]

FYI I am leaning mastina being scum so this isn't just 'hey let's vote mastina cause a thing happened'

Then vote her...I want this over with.

~Titus

[Bunnyonce]

VOTE: Radical Rat

Me and Greeting in hydra chat are also both like "when will this day endddd" so I am Taking Action

-Aisa

[unwnd]

I think the only way out of limbo is to look towards the future

VOTE: Mastina

[unwnd]

The day ending on RR/Mastina is fine

I liked RR's interpolation of events when I read it however, so am not favoring that vote

[furtiveglance]

The day ending on RR/Mastina is fine

I liked RR's interpolation of events when I read it however, so am not favoring that vote

I didn't really. It was just "these 3 players did this and this and it was SO scummy!"

[unwnd]

They had more reasoning beyond that? If I was able to summarize it and take things of note then they at least put some thought into it.

[furtiveglance]

They had more reasoning beyond that? If I was able to summarize it and take things of note then they at least put some thought into it.

Yeah I'm not sold on them being scum, just think it's least bad of current wagons. There are at least 3 slots I'd rather jettison.

[unwnd]

You have your vote and it is working towards building the future

Hopefully others read this and get the memo

[Yume]

mastina is town...remember this, and live by it. Because if she isn't...I will be seriously pissed.

[unwnd]

I think the only way out of limbo is to look towards the future

[Game reminds me of the

Spoiler:

endless now

so time for a fitting motif haha

Mod Edit: Please do not use Spoiler tags, use spoiler= tags instead.

[Titus]

They had more reasoning beyond that? If I was able to summarize it and take things of note then they at least put some thought into it.

Yeah I'm not sold on them being scum, just think it's least bad of current wagons. There are at least 3 slots I'd rather jettison.

Which three and why aren't they limmed you think?

~Titus

[T-Bone]

My own rule of thumb is that highposting bodes well for more townies barring a highposter having some sort of value beyond just well, posting

I understand this take is without context, but you play enough of these games and you start to notice patterns. Does anyone believe that the notated users have any scum equity? Open question

Weird cause I feel the opposite. Hyper posting benefits scum so someone from the scum team is gonna do it.

[T-Bone]

Why do you believe T-Bone is scum?

For the record, the only person who I gave a dedicated read on was MathBlade and this is purely meta

For what it's worth I doubt Furtive's read as for the longest time is was based on the dubious claim of "filler" and despite me being by far his most talked about scumread has never meaningfully tried to do anything about it.

In case you wanted the opposite context.

[T-Bone]

PPF I will agree looks Town at a glance individually, but they've chosen to entwine themselves with mastina for some reason, and that smells aligned to me. But that's also contingent on mastina flipping the way I expect her to.

I don't think that's an accurate read of PPF. Nancy is clearly hanging her hat, rightly or wrongly, on her meta read of Mastina. It's not for some reason, it's for a specific reason. Yes, it's for a reason you disagree with (and I do too) but it's been specifically stated.

The way Nancy approaches her read around Mastina and the way Yume does is night and day though. It might help you to compare and contrast there.

[unwnd]

Why do you believe T-Bone is scum?

For the record, the only person who I gave a dedicated read on was MathBlade and this is purely meta

For what it's worth I doubt Furtive's read as for the longest time is was based on the dubious claim of "filler" and despite me being by far his most talked about scumread has never meaningfully tried to do anything about it.

In case you wanted the opposite context.

I don't want to get too sidetracked but face value I haven't really been wowed by his posts either. Seems like there's no stake in his claims and I was taken aback by his townread on me

[T-Bone]

Someone come get me when deadline unfreezes. Don't care to read days of posturing.

This was about Math ftr. I probably should have carried more but I was sick. Now just apathetic.

We all know if another wagon surpasses mastina for too long, he'll declare it scum driven. Spam. I just want to skip that part.

~Titus

To the contrary. Supposedly the people defending Mastina say she’s town yet aren’t working to an alternative.

The lack of a wagon making it anywhere makes me think scum want a no elim.

There are no lack of counter wagons though? What is this?

[T-Bone]

Why do you believe T-Bone is scum?

For the record, the only person who I gave a dedicated read on was MathBlade and this is purely meta

For what it's worth I doubt Furtive's read as for the longest time is was based on the dubious claim of "filler" and despite me being by far his most talked about scumread has never meaningfully tried to do anything about it.

In case you wanted the opposite context.

I don't want to get too sidetracked but face value I haven't really been wowed by his posts either. Seems like there's no stake in his claims and I was taken aback by his townread on me

I'm very stream of conscious in my posting. I think your plan to deal with the biggest issue of the day is sound.

[furtiveglance]

They had more reasoning beyond that? If I was able to summarize it and take things of note then they at least put some thought into it.

Yeah I'm not sold on them being scum, just think it's least bad of current wagons. There are at least 3 slots I'd rather jettison.

Which three and why aren't they limmed you think?

~Titus

Maid Cafe, Scarfmanship and T-Bone

But also DDS and probably Ydrasse now that I think of it

[MathBlade]

Someone come get me when deadline unfreezes. Don't care to read days of posturing.

This was about Math ftr. I probably should have carried more but I was sick. Now just apathetic.

We all know if another wagon surpasses mastina for too long, he'll declare it scum driven. Spam. I just want to skip that part.

~Titus

To the contrary. Supposedly the people defending Mastina say she’s town yet aren’t working to an alternative.

The lack of a wagon making it anywhere makes me think scum want a no elim.

There are no lack of counter wagons though? What is this?

There have been two attempts at a wagon, Professor and RR.

Neither attempts were anyone talking with each other. It was more I don’t want Mastina.

[T-Bone]

Yeah but this Rat one is pretty much the textbook counter wagons. All of Mastina's defenders are on it.

[T-Bone]

Hyperbole ftr

[Radical Rat]

PPF I will agree looks Town at a glance individually, but they've chosen to entwine themselves with mastina for some reason, and that smells aligned to me. But that's also contingent on mastina flipping the way I expect her to.

I don't think that's an accurate read of PPF. Nancy is clearly hanging her hat, rightly or wrongly, on her meta read of Mastina. It's not for some reason, it's for a specific reason. Yes, it's for a reason you disagree with (and I do too) but it's been specifically stated.

The way Nancy approaches her read around Mastina and the way Yume does is night and day though. It might help you to compare and contrast there.

This is fair, it's just frustrating that I can point out all of the ways mastina's actual content is scummy, but because she had an angry and condescending attitude that she can sometimes have as Town, it's her Town meta. Even though I, you, Math, and others have all pointed out that it's fakable, multiball fucks with meta reads, and even mastina herself has admitted she isn't playing to either her Town or scum meta since she isn't even really mastina at this point, and it's just... I can't comprehend looking at everything that's happened and seeing mastina as Town with any degree of confidence, meta or not.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Yeah but this Rat one is pretty much the textbook counter wagons. All of Mastina's defenders are on it.

Ikr why can't we all just spread out and let our townread die for free

[mastina]

is there still a wagon on us or just inertia?

There

was

, combination of past inertia + Professor pivoting off of voting me when there was no really good reason to + Professor AtE after being voted + Professor giving up + people feeling like the "I solved the game" was fake + probably more.

But now, I don't support a professotic wagon at all. While I'm not

sure

, I do think more likely town than not on your slot.

soo why does one make intentionally crappy push?

It wasn't a crappy push?

Frozen Angel is almost 100% scum here (small doubts now keep it from being the 100% I once thought it to be but I still lean as likely scum overall)--but I only have one vote, and Frozen Angel in particular has gotten no votes this game. Did you want me to vanity vote there? FA was not my priority, but I can state scumreads on players that are not my priority.

I have explained the read on FA multiple times, and if you want more people to look at it and give feedback, ask Ydrasse and Titus what they think of my FA stance this game.

[mastina]

Would I be horribly out of line in thinking this looks kinda like Drapion going "Well, throwing a fit worked for mastina, maybe it'll save me too!"?

While this is not a bad thought, I feel like a town-RR would push it stronger.

Do you think I'm scum WITH professotic?
Because if you think we're not aligned, what incentive does scum!me have to pull their punches?

This is not a real thought from you.

You know why?

Because this isn't a singleball game and you know it isn't.

What reason does a scum player

in a multiball

game have to pull their punches?

I shouldn't need to say that, now, should I?

But just in case you wanna try to spin it, I'll spell it out anyway.

Scum in multiball want to push hard enough to look town and not be eliminated, but not hard enough to get nightkilled by the enemy team. They still want to apply

some

pressure, to prevent their own faction from being the pressured. Whether it's better to pressure town or pressure other-scum is both player-dependent (different players think different things) and situation-dependent (big difference between town being hugely in the lead and one scumteam being unscathed while the other is on the verge of extinction), but applying some pressure, but not too much pressure, is exactly what scum in multiball want to do.

A town-you knows this.
A town-you pushes harder.

But you because you're scum are pretending to not know a Mafia 101 thing. It's literally the first rule of multiball.