Warrior Cats Mafia [Day Three]

[KittyTacky]

B. I see literally no reason he should actually believe he's limbait as town??

Because even if I don't get limmed I almost always get cased. Like here for example.

[Alisae]

Cephrir I will off your the play by play of what happened in hood.
Prior to this we are talking about the votecount I gave Titus (one that had T5 wagon at 5 votes).
She wants me to go Norwee I tell her I would feel more comfortable going for T3 > Norwee and she was like ya that's fine but I don't townread Norwee.

Before 2059, but after she documents that T3 felt way too easy.
2067, after this she immediately posts in hood that she felt that PP lied to her about when his vote came in and then declares PP as lockscum.

Then that was like, it regarding what she said about PP.

Does this like help you at all?

[Bell]

I'm here, paying attention.
Out right don't know what to make of everything.

[Cephrir]

Cephrir I will off your the play by play of what happened in hood.
Prior to this we are talking about the votecount I gave Titus (one that had T5 wagon at 5 votes).
She wants me to go Norwee I tell her I would feel more comfortable going for T3 > Norwee and she was like ya that's fine but I don't townread Norwee.

Before 2059, but after she documents that T3 felt way too easy.
2067, after this she immediately posts in hood that she felt that PP lied to her about when his vote came in and then declares PP as lockscum.

Then that was like, it regarding what she said about PP.

Does this like help you at all?

Slightly? Idk I still feel suspicious of both of them.

[KittyTacky]

Now I just feel bad that my joke about being limbait was taken like a trollclaim apparently.

[KittyTacky]

I don't think Charloux is particularly scummy anymore, just not feeling it, so today's limpool for me is {Alisae, Norwe, T3}.

[KittyTacky]

I have also just passed 2000 total posts during this catchup.

[Bell]

VOTE: Shiro

Don't mind me.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Shiro

Don't mind me.

Why Shiro?

[fireisredsir]

yeah sure you know what, show it to me. again my point is not that the characterization in and of itself is unbelievable, it's that you making that defense reflexively feels unearned. although I guess "not a troll" isn't a hard defense to make

IDK, I might be focusing way too much on that one particular clause about him getting eliminated often and this is super pointless, it stood out to me in the moment but now I feel stupid talking about it


and are you not defending kittytacky? it read to me like you were defending him given you were critical of alisae's handling of him

ok so uh

you might be right lmao

i did find what i was looking for, in open 860 he says he kinda sucks at the game as town and calls himself a day miller

but i did notice something else. which is that the thing i had noticed earlier, where he had used the line as scum about people being opportunistic pushing him as LHF, thats actually like a major pattern that carries through all his scum games and only appeared once in a town game

these are all his games from this year, i stopped reading there

- MN 2280, town, doesn't accuse anyone pushing him of being opportunistic
- newbie 2100, scum, calls someone opportunistic for pushing him as LHF
- open 860, town, doesn't accuse anyone of being opportunistic, but is down on his own abilities a bit
- turing test, scum, "opportunistic scum pushing LHF"
- LN239, scum, "I'm a dumb townie/LHF and scum is pushing me"
- MN 2257, town, does call someone opportunistic for pushing him, but its not bc he's LHF, it's a different context
- open 852, scum, the people pushing him are scum that are pushing him because he's an easy push and LHF
- MN 2271, town, despite a lot of people pushing him and him assuring people it's just his playstyle, he mostly doesn't accuse anyone of being opportunistic scum for it. does eventually once say that scum is pushing him for being LHF
- MN 2267, town, says nothing of the sort

and in this game:

VOTE: Kitty
Norwee abandon ship

Opportunism. Scum.

The entire tone of that post is gross and dismissive. It's what I would do as frustrated scum with no real argument pushing a LHF townie.

ik people think word tells are dumb and they kinda are but i don't think this really counts as a word tell, its more of a mindset tell. as scum he consistently follows the pattern of accusing people pushing him of being opportunistic pushers of LHF, its like his consistent fallback approach, and as town it doesn't seem to be something he looks for at all except for in one instance, which might be what he's trying to imitate in his later scumgames, since that one came first

so yea tbh i still stand by my original point that he does generally believe himself to be LHF town, but i think he tends to talk about it a lot more as scum, and also accuse people of being scum for pushing him for it as like a very consistent pattern. literally every scum game i read

and he's definitely doing that this game

[fireisredsir]

also i think ceph is scum

[Cephrir]

Counterpoint: nuh uh. But you can help me bus this if you want.

VOTE: Kitty

[KittyTacky]

I didn't accuse people of being opportunistic in those games because I did not see opportunism; I just saw misguided townies. And I don't counterpush people I just think are wrong town. So this isn't a tell, this is just me acting under different circumstances.

[KittyTacky]

No shit I would also do it as scum because it would increase my win rate as scum to do so, even when there's no opportunism and I just want to discredit my attackers.

But I also say it as town when I genuinely see someone who looks like scum (Alisae here) pushing LHF townie me.

[KittyTacky]

I did it once I'm gonna do it again.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

my previous standards for her scumplay (based on ktane) were way too low of a bar

the MU people keep telling me she is in fact a good wolf but I have not yet seen it

that's why i went to read games on MU lol

HOW DID THEY LOOK?

[Datisi]

1. your claimed excuse for being inactive early day 1 doesn't make much sense because there's no reason to believe your usual output in games would be at risk of getting postcapped.

I explained it several times already, it was psychological pressure since I never played with such a restriction before and got subconsciously scared.

2. your vote on norwee looked like an opportunistic scum one (something I also agreed with)

I shept a case that made sense to me and continues to.

So I think both of these are fallacious and just scum latching on.

what changed for catboi? why is it that catboi is scum latching onto you, but i am still a strong townread for being "aggressive" or whatever, when all i've done in the past few days is gone "ye catboi make good case"? why is catboi not in your limpool in 2180?

also, something about kitty backtracking in 2170 feels off. just like. idk. originally he called titus town for "decent progression and motivation" in 1935, and then was pushed to explain it, but like... why not immediately say it's gut? why essentially make up reasoning about it? why not link multiple posts? why not mention the word "gut" at any point before your reasoning is called out for not making any sense?

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i like bell voting shiro. the thing that makes me think of is holiday dance party, where shiro was playing and some people quickly townread them, and i *feel* like they were more engaged there than they are here? it's obviously a small sample size and god knows i am not fact checking shit right now, but i got my eye on them and would very much like them to actually play this game

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another vague thought i had is if it is true that some of lhf-ers are scum this game (kitty, shiro, t3, marashu), then that kind of would explain alisae's erratic behvaiour, because i do remember them saying how they need a good team to function as scum, and in a game like this i could? see them being annoyed? though i would actually have to check if they bus the lhf-ers in that scenario and also this is again not immediately relevant but i typed it up so i'm posting it

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also i vaguely agree with fire's possible sus of cephrir, he does sorta feel like... idk passive and not wanting to be here, and i remember him being excited to be town in ktane? again not something to immediately worry about, but it does seem interesting (coupled with my feelsies of him weirdly stepping around my slot earlier)

[SCRRRDBEAR]

I also didn't much care that, as D1 was winding down, bear in the PT was discussing who to eliminate D2 without knowing the D1 flip, and I do think that lining up eliminations is +scum.

LOL

[SCRRRDBEAR]

I found something that we all need to chase down right now:

Spoiler:

SCUMMY

[SCRRRDBEAR]

If Charloux is scum here, he might have proposed this as fact. This feels more like a backpedal than poor phrasing. But on the other hand, I don't think Charloux had reason to believe it was true. So I don't understand the point of this.

DUDE

VOTE: MARASHU

[SCRRRDBEAR]

I am gonna come out and say that I have information about Marashu, we should not yeet them.

We do not have a lot of time left which is why I am coming out with that right no, to prevent any quick yeet.

You can neglet trusting me but it is what it is.

I am not going to disclose said information unless things become too ugly.

I'M QUICKLY LOSING FAITH IN THIS BECAUSE BASED ON THEIR ISOS, MARASHU AND SHIRO SHOULD BE TOP SUSPECTS

[NorwegianboyEE]

I shept a case that made sense to me and continues to.

A case that made sense to nobody else and that Mastina themselves admitted wouldn't make sense to anyone other than her.
So why did you somehow "get it"?

[NorwegianboyEE]

No shit I would also do it as scum because it would increase my win rate as scum to do so, even when there's no opportunism and I just want to discredit my attackers.

But I also say it as town when I genuinely see someone who looks like scum (Alisae here) pushing LHF townie me.

I don't like how you don't explain your votes and then call yourself LHF to get off the hook.
When trying to understand you all we get is what can be summarized as excuses.

I'm not even confident you are scum tbh, but all of this stuff adds together and makes me very unsure about you.

[T3]

FINALLY CAUGHT UP

readlist incoming

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh my lord, he exists.