Cosmos Mafia (Dawn 1)

[Scarfmanship]

Starting tomorrow let's start killing RR voters.

[MathBlade]

Let me once again reiterate I do not agree with the toxicity of the premise and no I won’t hunt for more

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12559290

Here’s an example:

What I find odd is that people find Mastina town AND don’t fight with her on reads.

[Past Present Future]

I haven’t changed my mind on Mastina. I still believe in my reasons for tr her.

[Past Present Future]

I haven’t changed my mind on Mastina. I still believe in my reasons for tr her.

That's Nancy but I agree.

~Titus

[Past Present Future]

Let me once again reiterate I do not agree with the toxicity of the premise and no I won’t hunt for more

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12559290

Here’s an example:

What I find odd is that people find Mastina town AND don’t fight with her on reads.

I don’t agree with some of her reads. I don’t understand why Enchant is scum here. And I still especially don’t understand why FA is? I looked up a few FA games a couple of town and the Excalibur one I made my mistaken read on in Masochist and she sounds similar here to the two towngames I looked at.

[Past Present Future]

I think mastina is L minus 1. Unsure. Life calls.

~Titus

[Enchant]

Because I didn't hammer.

Interesting, but even NM refused to hammer sometimes. So...

[Past Present Future]

Let me once again reiterate I do not agree with the toxicity of the premise and no I won’t hunt for more

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12559290

Here’s an example:

What I find odd is that people find Mastina town AND don’t fight with her on reads.

???

I don’t understand that link? Both LLD and Mastina were town.

[Past Present Future]

VOTE: Scarf

[Scarfmanship]

you're next btw

[Past Present Future]

you're next btw

One of the Mastina reads I strongly agree with.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

What I find odd is that people find Mastina town AND don’t fight with her on reads.

Why would I waste time doing that when she's been a top wagon for a while
Makes a lot more sense to work with her on common ground instead of just letting her get elimmed

Several arguments against the general mastina + townreads group have basically been 'why haven't you just let her die yet' and the answer to that from a town perspective should be obvious

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

VOTE: Scarfmanship

[Past Present Future]

Oh right you're a vigi.

VOTE: mastina

Starting tomorrow let's start killing RR voters.

you're next btw

Why would we be next when Titus unvoted after the claim?

[MathBlade]

Let me once again reiterate I do not agree with the toxicity of the premise and no I won’t hunt for more

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12559290

Here’s an example:

What I find odd is that people find Mastina town AND don’t fight with her on reads.

???

I don’t understand that link? Both LLD and Mastina were town.

The link is support of my prior expectation that inverting Mastina’s reads is a common thing town does to Mastina. I am not seeing it here.

[Past Present Future]

Let me once again reiterate I do not agree with the toxicity of the premise and no I won’t hunt for more

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12559290

Here’s an example:

What I find odd is that people find Mastina town AND don’t fight with her on reads.

???

I don’t understand that link? Both LLD and Mastina were town.

The link is support of my prior expectation that inverting Mastina’s reads is a common thing town does to Mastina. I am not seeing it here.

Oh I’m unfamiliar with that game.

[MathBlade]

What I find odd is that people find Mastina town AND don’t fight with her on reads.

Why would I waste time doing that when she's been a top wagon for a while
Makes a lot more sense to work with her on common ground instead of just letting her get elimmed

Several arguments against the general mastina + townreads group have basically been 'why haven't you just let her die yet' and the answer to that from a town perspective should be obvious

It’s actually not to me and I am town.

It’s like everyone became clones of me.

Usually there’s a lot more conversation and such

It’s more there’s a lot of

posting

but very little pushing

We’ve had Professor and RR as the only two wagons of note and those were weak

No one is actually wanting to push anything except they are willing to push *not mastina*

[MathBlade]

Let me once again reiterate I do not agree with the toxicity of the premise and no I won’t hunt for more

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12559290

Here’s an example:

What I find odd is that people find Mastina town AND don’t fight with her on reads.

???

I don’t understand that link? Both LLD and Mastina were town.

The link is support of my prior expectation that inverting Mastina’s reads is a common thing town does to Mastina. I am not seeing it here.

Oh I’m unfamiliar with that game.

You don’t need the whole game.

It’s more that the people townreading her because meta would be expecting the game around her to be similar to how she’s treated when she is town. That divisiveness isn’t there. It’s way too weird.

[MathBlade]

The divisiveness there isn’t here*

Ebwop

[T-Bone]

This game is going to be an excellent case study into why relying solely on meta for your reads is a bad idea

:praise hands:

[MathBlade]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12559295

Like it’s legit a thing at that point
Mastina’s top TR was Hercule
Hercule was a mafia goon.

It makes me really uneasy that there’s no pushback on Mastina
When her play is scummy (Eg forcing claims my way or highway forcing me defense mode)
Other players aren’t reacting to her like it’s a town her game
The meta is different (based on this and other games)
Her tone is different because it’s a different head than usual (based on her interpretation)

Like I don’t get what’s left

[Past Present Future]

What I find odd is that people find Mastina town AND don’t fight with her on reads.

Why would I waste time doing that when she's been a top wagon for a while
Makes a lot more sense to work with her on common ground instead of just letting her get elimmed

Several arguments against the general mastina + townreads group have basically been 'why haven't you just let her die yet' and the answer to that from a town perspective should be obvious

It’s actually not to me and I am town.

It’s like everyone became clones of me.

Usually there’s a lot more conversation and such

It’s more there’s a lot of

posting

but very little pushing

We’ve had Professor and RR as the only two wagons of note and those were weak

No one is actually wanting to push anything except they are willing to push *not mastina*

Players who hardtown read Mastina who voted RR are different than players who voted them who didn’t and it looks really bad to me that Scarf isn’t taking that into account at all.

And they were BOTH a Mastina and RR voter, so why are they shading us in particular?

[MathBlade]

VOTE: professotic
I can't really quantify it, but it feels like they're playing looking for someone to kill rather than looking for scum. Just the way they're engaging feels... Wrong.

I mean, you right!

VOTE: professotic

{Past Present Future} (most locktown of locktown)
{Save the Dragons, Yume} (basically most, but need just a

bit

more from both to be sure)
{Radical Rat, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (may be one lower)}
{Maid Cafe, MMR}

TOWNLEAN:
{furtiveglance}
{Enchant}
{T-Bone}


{Child of Fairies}
{Radja}


{Frozen Angel}
{Bunnyonce}

SCUM:
{Korina}
{professotic}

(Yes I am aware that's too few scum since the approximate amount should be 6, so I'm townreading slots I shouldn't be, but for

now

, this'll do.)

Hell if Mastina is town it’s very likely that at least one of Yume/you/Ydrasse contains a scum if we follow that rule.

I know at least 50% of her scumreads are wrong categorically let’s compare it to now.

[Past Present Future]

Let me once again reiterate I do not agree with the toxicity of the premise and no I won’t hunt for more

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12559290

Here’s an example:

What I find odd is that people find Mastina town AND don’t fight with her on reads.

???

I don’t understand that link? Both LLD and Mastina were town.

The link is support of my prior expectation that inverting Mastina’s reads is a common thing town does to Mastina. I am not seeing it here.

Oh I’m unfamiliar with that game.

You don’t need the whole game.

It’s more that the people townreading her because meta would be expecting the game around her to be similar to how she’s treated when she is town. That divisiveness isn’t there. It’s way too weird.

Well I’m obviously going to make up my own mind on reads because my tr on Mastina doesn’t mean I blindly sheep her reads unless I agree with them.

[MathBlade]

LOCKTOWN:
{Past Present Future, Save The Dragons, Yume, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow (comfortable moving them up here)} (most locktown of locktown)
TOWN:
{MathBlade}

VIBED TOWN:
{MMR, T-Bone}

LEAN TOWN:
{furtiveglance, Enchant, professotic (may be up there with MB, not quite sure)}


??? (could be PoE scum, but hard to lock down for sure)
{Maid Cafe}

{Child of Fairies/Scarfmanship}

REASONABLE CHANCE OF SCUM:
{Bunnyonce}

SCUM:
{Radja/unwnd}

{Radical Rat, Frozen Angel}

This is her latest readwall. Which to me tips her had she isn’t looking for 6 like she originally claimed.

This does give me a further idea of who she isn’t teamed with if scum though.

I believe townMastina would be freaking out if she thought 6 scum but didn’t have six scumreads

It’s a lot of those little inconsistencies that don’t add up.