Sit down, GribIn post 1537, Grib wrote:Anyway, he knows there’s no world where we kill anyone -he- wants us to kill this phase. So he’s eliminating any further incriminating interactions.
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Okay here is what I was looking for earlier. The problem with the VCA Elements has presented is that it doesn't include the impact of their own vote on the wagon movements. I think this disclaimer is an example of lampshading which is NAI (I think?) What's scummy in Elements ISO is the use of VCA to explain their reads because it helps to project the image of being reasonable while not requiring any descriptions for how they feel about given players.In post 1451, Elements wrote:Disclaimer: I'm going to treat myself as town for this analysis because that takes out a variable and makes this easier for me.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Your recent posts are moving me toward that place VERY quicklyIn post 1535, Grib wrote:Spoiler: Frog meta
There is a very obvious lack of tilt here, or passion, or urgency. If Frog is town here.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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It sounds like you aren't even thinkinv about the game at all because until I said anything you were all dramatic about your intent to vote out NM after you mislim Frog.In post 1555, Grib wrote:In any case, I do agree that if you’re town, Elements is very likely scum.
In post 1534, Grib wrote:Ok, I’ll say it. Frog is strategically lurking. I’ve never played with him before but his personality type doesn’t really mesh with “give up” as a villager.
My problem with thjs is that you assumed I gave up and that there weren't any NAI reasons for my decreased energy levels.In post 1535, Grib wrote:Spoiler: Frog meta
There is a very obvious lack of tilt here, or passion, or urgency. If Frog is town here.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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You're right. asking the person that is almost unanimously scumread to claim is phishingIn post 1545, Frogsterking wrote:
This is role phishingIn post 1520, Elements wrote:Is it to early to ask frog to claim?I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald- Elements
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Most of us are coming at you. Just because you thought Fire was cop with an inno on me doesn't mean anyone else did.In post 1546, Frogsterking wrote:@everyone townreading Elements for D3
I'm assuming that the Fire kill was a failed TPR hunt. If anyone wants to challenge me on that claim then come at me.
Me trying to interact with you is not "narrowing down for a pr". You literally said yourself "if you want to read me talk to me not about me" I tried to do that and now you're calling me scum. You have given 0 reads these last 2 days except whoever is easiest to attack at the time, and Aisa. Hence me asking you about Aisa. As youWith that in mind, what do you think Elements is trying to accomplish on page 61 with this series of questions:
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I'm not saying that any of you are stupid for not noticing this because IIRC I was one of the first to trust Elements on D1. I didn't find much reason to suspect Elements on D1 but I'mcertainty that Elements is scum based on their D2 and D3 play. On D2 Elements is the best candidate to be a/the busser on BBT and on D3 Elements is trying to narrow down an investigative TPR. For example, in 1518 Elements is trying to figure out whether Grib specifically has anhighinnoon NM. That is like...the only point to that question and I don't think that it can be Town motivated.
I can also say that I'm pretty sure (maybemoderatecertainty) there is a scum roleblocker and I'mlowcertainty that Elements is the scum roleblocker.mayhave noticed I've been enjoying this game quite a bit recently and we had that explosion of activity you all but ignored. I ran out of things I wanted to say and so when there were new things to interact with I jumped on them.
Killing Fire as a TPR hunt and saying there's a mafia roleblocker reads as TMI to me.
Perhaps if you actually gave reads people would be less likely to want to vote you.I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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Is it time for you to say them yet?[/quote]In post 1045, Frogsterking wrote:I had some things to say that are better left unsaid.
You still haven't said what these things are/wereI agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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So I've looked over a few of Frog's games and the only other game I found him saying things like "I think x is scum with high certainty" or any reads along those lines was a game in which he was SK. Didn't do it in any of the town or scum games I looked through.
I have no idea what this meansI agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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pretty meh. i'm still not sure what they're saying about you, after i had to deal with bbt i still don't get the feel that you/bbt was theatre so when it comes to their opening post at least i definitely don't agree. you have a point about their reads i guess, at this point i'm wondering if frog thinks you're scum, who do they like for third?
the N_M/Enchant willingness to hammer gives me pause yet as of now i have decent reasons on town! bella, aisa, grib and elements, not so much frogster tbh... trying to read them has been like a contracted seesaw ride to me, but so far i'm today i'm low-key unimpresed with them. idk just a general vibe i'm getting of looking for the correct angle that'll make them survive i guess.
I'm tied down irl but rn i feel like voting frogster in 24-36 hrs, i'll try to be around. If it's not frogster then this game might actually be a lol fest with with N_M/enchant scum, which I earlier said doesnt seem likely to me so meh.
The interactions between bbt/frogster do give me pause, but on the order of likelihood frog/bbt bussing is more liklier than bbt/elements, for the simple reason i've already stated that emotionally i doon';t get a scum feel from u/bbt.
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A point which is completely undermined by the fact I actually give reads in separate posts unlike youIn post 1551, Frogsterking wrote:
Okay here is what I was looking for earlier. The problem with the VCA Elements has presented is that it doesn't include the impact of their own vote on the wagon movements. I think this disclaimer is an example of lampshading which is NAI (I think?) What's scummy in Elements ISO is the use of VCA to explain their reads because it helps to project the image of being reasonable while not requiring any descriptions for how they feel about given players.In post 1451, Elements wrote:Disclaimer: I'm going to treat myself as town for this analysis because that takes out a variable and makes this easier for me.I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
It's scummy as fak tho - Gamma Emerald- Elements
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Frog's entire 'case' on me is that I'm TPR hunting because I've been asking people about their reads. That is literally all you do in mafia. Ask people about their reads. That's ALL there is to do. Frog is trying to push me on the basis of me playing the game.I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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This is really rich coming from the player who pushed me while I was inactive and has angled constantly to appear "logical" about voting NM:In post 1559, Elements wrote:You have given 0 reads these last 2 days except whoever is easiest to attack at the time, and Aisa.
In post 1353, Elements wrote:I dislike that NM didn't vote BBT at allIn post 1379, Elements wrote:Maybe Grib NMIn post 1394, Elements wrote:
NM slots in with BBT as a partner I thinkIn post 1392, Grib wrote:I probably owe it to Firebringer to leave you alone for now anyways.
Problem is, aside from Frog I don't have a better candidate for the last mafia. NM? I really want to believe I'm correctly townrading Bella/Eira/Aisa.
Caption hereeeeeIn post 1414, Elements wrote:Not_Mafia
Has vote for: Me (biggest wagon), Aisa (making it the biggest wagon), Bella (weren't really any wagons at the time), Frog (biggest wagon)
The only biggest wagon NM didn't voted for was BBT. Both day 1 and day 2.
Conclusion: NM fits with BBT as scum
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This is straw manning my argument becauseIn post 1566, Elements wrote:Frog's entire 'case' on me is that I'm TPR hunting because I've been asking people about their reads. That is literally all you do in mafia. Ask people about their reads. That's ALL there is to do. Frog is trying to push me on the basis of me playing the game.
1) that's not my entire point on Elements (Elements BBT bus vote)
2) the questions Elements asked are clearly useful for narrowing down who may havelivinginno reports (1518) and I don't see any solving purpose behind. Also like 1520? I'm pretty sure I'm like lucid and I think Elements is phishing?
^^ yes because the Fire kill was a TPR hunt. This is a misdirection because at the time the kill was made there was no reason for Elements to believe they would be pushed hard today or that they would need a pocket alive to defend them.In post 1417, Elements wrote:
So I hard bus my partner and then kill of the only person that's town reading me?In post 1415, Grib wrote:
Yes.In post 1409, Elements wrote:
Do you think the Firebringer kill indicates me as scum more than Bella as scum?In post 1398, Grib wrote:If Bella is a partner, then BBT charged himself with protecting her. With the way he played, I don't think she's his partner. And the Firebringer kill would be hella weird after Bella openly shaded him at deadline for townreading you.
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...says the active posting scum player to the lurking town slot who accuses themIn post 1565, Elements wrote:
A point which is completely undermined by the fact I actually give reads in separate posts unlike youIn post 1551, Frogsterking wrote:
Okay here is what I was looking for earlier. The problem with the VCA Elements has presented is that it doesn't include the impact of their own vote on the wagon movements. I think this disclaimer is an example of lampshading which is NAI (I think?) What's scummy in Elements ISO is the use of VCA to explain their reads because it helps to project the image of being reasonable while not requiring any descriptions for how they feel about given players.In post 1451, Elements wrote:Disclaimer: I'm going to treat myself as town for this analysis because that takes out a variable and makes this easier for me.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Pings me back to this scum poster from one of my first games:In post 1569, Frogsterking wrote:
...says the active posting scum player to the lurking town slot who accuses themIn post 1565, Elements wrote:
A point which is completely undermined by the fact I actually give reads in separate posts unlike youIn post 1551, Frogsterking wrote:
Okay here is what I was looking for earlier. The problem with the VCA Elements has presented is that it doesn't include the impact of their own vote on the wagon movements. I think this disclaimer is an example of lampshading which is NAI (I think?) What's scummy in Elements ISO is the use of VCA to explain their reads because it helps to project the image of being reasonable while not requiring any descriptions for how they feel about given players.In post 1451, Elements wrote:Disclaimer: I'm going to treat myself as town for this analysis because that takes out a variable and makes this easier for me.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=325
FMPOV Elements is acting like a deep scum who got caught off guard thanks to yours truly.Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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Jeez, get off your high horse and stop massaging your own egoIn post 1570, Frogsterking wrote:
Pings me back to this scum poster from one of my first games:In post 1569, Frogsterking wrote:
...says the active posting scum player to the lurking town slot who accuses themIn post 1565, Elements wrote:
A point which is completely undermined by the fact I actually give reads in separate posts unlike youIn post 1551, Frogsterking wrote:
Okay here is what I was looking for earlier. The problem with the VCA Elements has presented is that it doesn't include the impact of their own vote on the wagon movements. I think this disclaimer is an example of lampshading which is NAI (I think?) What's scummy in Elements ISO is the use of VCA to explain their reads because it helps to project the image of being reasonable while not requiring any descriptions for how they feel about given players.In post 1451, Elements wrote:Disclaimer: I'm going to treat myself as town for this analysis because that takes out a variable and makes this easier for me.
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=325
FMPOV Elements is acting like a deep scum who got caught off guard thanks to yours truly.I agree with everything Elements is posting - Papa Zito
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I have very little idea and I'm hoping the final slot can be resolved by night actions.In post 1564, Eiralox wrote:@Frogster: IF you feel so troong about elements! scum, who do like for third?Bruce: Terry. I've been thinking about something you once told me... and you were wrong. It's not Batman that makes you worthwhile; it's the other way around. Never tell yourself anything different.
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