Cosmos Mafia (Dawn 1)

[MathBlade]

Agreed.

I can’t admit certain evidence but what I can say is reiterate things in a different way and maybe you can find the omitted thing:

1) I fire on Dusk/Dawn 2. (Equivalent of D3 or D4).
2) If I fire on one of those two days and am not lying it’s likely that …(you finish)
3) I liked Frozen Angel’s post on different cult abilities at different times.

Fool me once shame on you fool me twice is a fun saying.

Combine with the Mastina 6.

[MathBlade]

Well, I see no reason to continue. We'll all be rehashing the same argument, unless one side gives in.

VOTE: mastina

I am sorry, but sometimes sacrifices need to be made.

That, and Math finally gave some good reasons.

That’s a big fuck. Keep an eye on Yume invests

I said too damn much

[Yume]

Personally, I don't think you need to worry about getting killed at night.

[Yume]

Personally, I don't think you need to worry about getting killed at night.

Ask yourself how and why I believe you won't be.

[MathBlade]

Personally, I don't think you need to worry about getting killed at night.

Ask yourself how and why I believe you won't be.

I will worry about this if I live to tomorrow quite frankly.

There’s a lot of double softs and I really don’t like you hammering Mastina without a claim.

[Yume]

Personally, I don't think you need to worry about getting killed at night.

Ask yourself how and why I believe you won't be.

I will worry about this if I live to tomorrow quite frankly.

There’s a lot of double softs and I really don’t like you hammering Mastina without a claim.

It's not a hammer. Enchant unvoted.

[MathBlade]

Personally, I don't think you need to worry about getting killed at night.

Ask yourself how and why I believe you won't be.

I will worry about this if I live to tomorrow quite frankly.

There’s a lot of double softs and I really don’t like you hammering Mastina without a claim.

It's not a hammer. Enchant unvoted.

Thank goodness that chivalry isn’t dead yet.

Mastina you need to claim.

[Yume]

I stand with town. This, I swear.

[T-Bone]

I don't want to ramble on about things others don't care about
I'd rather be vague and focus my effort where I think it's worth most than explain things and get ignored or talked over

So I care about your thoughts. I won't quote the longer post you made because you said you don't want to go into it.

But like what does DDS!town want me to see? I've explained briefly why I read your scum as slot, and you've more or less admitted here that you want to be vague in your posts. So it's a bit of a smack in the face when you say you're frustrated with me but also not giving the game much. I don't think I've directed very many posts at you as much as I've directed posts at other players.

Like you do you. But I can't look at your slot and base my read on things you're not posting you know? I don't know what those other things you think are more worth it so you make vague posts instead. Help me out here a little bit.

[T-Bone]

TBone's position, although I disagree with it, is part of why I townread TBone. A lot of times people confuse "reevaluating" with coming around to their position rather than respecting a difference of opinion. The common mantra is that I have all the "facts" so if I give more "information" then people will come around. However, sometimes people look at the same event and just see it differently (see: What color is the dress?).

Given how I feel about the strategic implications, I don't think scum would sit on mastina unless they felt their partners were in extremely wagonable positions. So his play makes sense for someone who legitimately feels that way. Truth be told, sometimes I go back and forth about what scum would do but I think TBone's approach is town here based on his detailed positions. He could be deep scum but I highly doubt it. The problem is, even with the stalled gamestate, I just feel like I'm missing some facts to be very conclusive.

~Titus

I think I mentally do my reads and revaluations on a sliding scale. Like that's how I picture a read when I think about it, with town at one end and scum at the bottom. That's why when I post a list especially early in the game I say town lean and scum lean and not town read or scum read. My reads are on an abacus. I also try to talk about my reads like that because I don't have absolute certainty on anyone's alignment.

[MMR]

Well, I see no reason to continue. We'll all be rehashing the same argument, unless one side gives in.

VOTE: mastina

I am sorry, but sometimes sacrifices need to be made.

Yume is officially locktown now.

~Mumps

[T-Bone]

Does anyone think I'm asking Yume gotcha questions or what? I feel like I'm asking reasonable questions based on the things they are saying. Someone sanity check me if its not the case.

I think I find your questions unproductive.

I am not sure if they are gotcha or not but I don’t think they are helpful.

It’s extremely unlikely we elim Yume today.

So I’d ask what is your goal by asking them?

Trying to sort. I am apparently the only person who reads Yume as scum. Not everyone is scum, so some townies have a real town read. Do I have a hero read or am I missing something? That's what I was trying to find out.

I also think Yume is probably scum.

Yet neither of you are willing to vote for me.

We can all agree that Yume is smart enough to know that Rat and I doing this would make Rat's wagon the highest one and cause him to get eliminated instead of a player we both highly scumread come deadline, yes?

[T-Bone]

Oh wow did not see Yume had voted. I retract all of that. Was not expecting it.

[Yume]

Does anyone think I'm asking Yume gotcha questions or what? I feel like I'm asking reasonable questions based on the things they are saying. Someone sanity check me if its not the case.

I think I find your questions unproductive.

I am not sure if they are gotcha or not but I don’t think they are helpful.

It’s extremely unlikely we elim Yume today.

So I’d ask what is your goal by asking them?

Trying to sort. I am apparently the only person who reads Yume as scum. Not everyone is scum, so some townies have a real town read. Do I have a hero read or am I missing something? That's what I was trying to find out.

I also think Yume is probably scum.

Yet neither of you are willing to vote for me.

We can all agree that Yume is smart enough to know that Rat and I doing this would make Rat's wagon the highest one and cause him to get eliminated instead of a player we both highly scumread come deadline, yes?

And you're both smart enough to realize that if mastina flips town, we'll bury the two of you first come D2?

[T-Bone]

Doubtful. I've maintained I think you're scum if Mastina flips town (and vise versa if she flips scum), although I am surprised by your vote.

[Yume]

And Radical Rat in particular should know I am not scum here.

[Yume]

You I can understand misreading me, but not him.

[mastina]

I am aware people want me to claim right now, and I promise that I will, after catching up and giving my last thoughts.

I'm not claiming first because you fuckers are gonna hammer me the moment that I DO claim, and I can't exactly give my last thoughts after I'm eliminated, now, can I???

So, I WILL claim, at the end of this catchup, but since you're going to hammer me once I do, and I can't give my thoughts with a locked topic or after I am dead, I have to do the catchup first.

And, no. I don’t trust any promises from you of "I promise we'll let you live long enough to catch up after you claim".

No you fucking won't, don't pretend that you will.
Any individual player may mean it.

But the COLLECTIVE you? The collective you won't fucking wait, so don't try to claim you will. Any individual player can make that promise and mean it, but being an individual player, they can't actually keep it as part of the collective, can they???

So to make sure that you have my final thoughts, it'll be catchup first, claim after, and then after the claim, do whatever. Hammer, don't, doesn’t matter, I'll have spoken my peace.

[T-Bone]

Sure it's possible. Your Mastina vote has shook my read to the core.

[mastina]

I just got off work, will post properly when I get home/after dinner.

I'm a protective role though (I think). I'll explain more when I get back

Okay so.

I can remove burns on people, and if I target someone on the same phase they would receive a burn, the burn is blocked. My target will be informed if a burn is removed or blocked successfully.

I have not been told what a burn actually is, but I assume it has to do with the nonstandard factional abilities. Solar Cult makes the most sense to be burning people to me in that case.

Speaking of my claims though (as a reminder, I will be claiming after I have finished my catchup--so you'll get more about this then, if you're patient enough to bear with me), notice anything about Radical Rat's claim and why you were all stupid to unvote him because "hurdur protective role"??? (Every scum is going to claim a role btw so like. You should read by play not alignment and RR is scum. But I digress.)

I sure did!

You know what I noticed?

Radical Rat didn't mention something.

I don't know about YOUR power roles, but MINE mentions what phase I can act. Phase, singular, not plural.

(That said, this did get me to read my role PM again and oh fuck there are things in there that I actually

should

claim. My claim's not what I remembered it to be. I remembered my role PM giving me my sun/moon attunement and swore it said sun, but like: it doesn't. It just says I'm town. Literally all of my breadcrumbs involve me being sure that I am a town sun [role], but sun isn't actually listed in my role PM. I remembered the phase I can target people correctly; I remembered what my role does correctly. I didn't remember literally half of the PM and remembered some of it wrong, so uhhhh...I definitely SHOULD claim. But like. If you want my info--and I have some info which apparently isn't public--you need to let me catch up and give my thoughts first.)

[mastina]

(That said, this did get me to read my role PM again and oh fuck there are things in there that I actually

should

claim. My claim's not what I remembered it to be. I remembered my role PM giving me my sun/moon attunement and swore it said sun, but like: it doesn't. It just says I'm town. Literally all of my breadcrumbs involve me being sure that I am a town sun [role], but sun isn't actually listed in my role PM. I remembered the phase I can target people correctly; I remembered what my role does correctly. I didn't remember literally half of the PM and remembered some of it wrong, so uhhhh...I definitely SHOULD claim. But like. If you want my info--and I have some info which apparently isn't public--you need to let me catch up and give my thoughts first.)

Okay not gonna lie.

At work I was planning to do an entire catchup and then end the catchup without a real claim.

I literally have it in my notes,


In the unlikely event that we live long enough to do posts (hammer-happy idiots be hammer-happy) check back on RR's claim.

I don’t think that he claimed whether he's light/dark, and he didn’t specify only being able to act on specific nights.

Pretty sure at least.
Do catchup, including commenting on Ydrasse and addressing the 6 scumreads.

Reiterate the laziness of eliminating me, and how there has, probably, been options.

State there is a big fucking difference between the mastina persona having purposefully exaggerated early game townreads on players I don’t actually know very well,

Versus me out of the mastina persona fully open and honest having a late-day read on players who I am INTIMATELY familiar with.
The whole time, building up to my final joke, I should reiterate that I promise that I will claim at the end of my catchup. (It'll be bloody hilarious. The town certainly won't think so. They'll be furious. But if I can pull it off, then the payoff will be fucking hilarious to ME, and given that my claim only solidifies my elimination so it wouldn't actually save me, I might as well have some fun trolling the town with my spite.)
My claim post should quote the MathBlade post, spoilered, but with a notation at the end:
"It should be noted, I thought that MathBlade was claiming an investigative role with his crumbs here, specifically MY investigative role."
Show, also spoiled, my breadcrumbs.

And then, for my claim, quote the Not Claiming post, but modify it with elaboration:
"If you don't see me as town by play, my claim won't magically make me any more town to you since I can't actually act until d1 anyway.
So if you can't see that I'm town from play, you don't get to see me as town at all. And, yes, this is pure spite."

Outside the quote, reiterate,
"Try reading that post, line for line. Not skimming. Not skipping. Reading. I put my claim in there, you just weren't paying attention because you didn't actually fucking read the post, did you???"



...But this

whole time

, I was

remembering my role PM wrong

.

I remembered the investigative part of my role correctly, it does exactly what I thought it did.
I remembered

two

of the restrictions on it (one of them the obvious, only being usable in one phase out of four per cycle, as a hint it ain't dusk so is one of night/dawn/noon).
But I had completely forgotten that about

two extra

restrictions and I genuinely didn't realize that roles didn't have sun/moon attunement public. (Heck I even remembered their names wrong, it's not light/dark like I thought but specifically sun/moon. I thought I was a Town Light [investigative], but it's just town [Investigative] that has sun/moon info.)

So change of plans.

I can't do the funny fuck-you that I was planning on, I actually

do

have important role info I need to share before the elim on me.

But I also still need to actually catch up because you're still gonna hammer me once I DO claim. (I'll claim both the real role and what I thought my role was, but apparently isn't.)

[Scarfmanship]

A THREE WORD HYDRA

Sorry did that scare you?

No, it just makes me want you dead. Keep it up.

You will be able to get me voted out if you vote for mastina and she flips town.

I reccomend you vote for mastina, if the two of you aren't partners.

[mastina]

(That said, this did get me to read my role PM again and oh fuck there are things in there that I actually

should

claim. My claim's not what I remembered it to be. I remembered my role PM giving me my sun/moon attunement and swore it said sun, but like: it doesn't. It just says I'm town. Literally all of my breadcrumbs involve me being sure that I am a town sun [role], but sun isn't actually listed in my role PM. I remembered the phase I can target people correctly; I remembered what my role does correctly. I didn't remember literally half of the PM and remembered some of it wrong, so uhhhh...I definitely SHOULD claim. But like. If you want my info--and I have some info which apparently isn't public--you need to let me catch up and give my thoughts first.)

Okay not gonna lie. I was planning to do an entire catchup and then end the catchup without a real claim.

...But this

whole time

, I was

remembering my role PM wrong

.

I remembered the investigative part of my role correctly, it does exactly what I thought it did.
I remembered

two

of the restrictions on it (one of them the obvious, only being usable in one phase out of four per cycle, as a hint it ain't dusk so is one of night/dawn/noon).
But I had completely forgotten that about

two extra

restrictions and I genuinely didn't realize that roles didn't have sun/moon attunement public. (Heck I even remembered their names wrong, it's not light/dark like I thought but specifically sun/moon. I thought I was a Town Light [investigative], but it's just town [Investigative] that has sun/moon info.)

So change of plans.

I can't do the funny fuck-you that I was planning on, I actually

do

have important role info I need to share before the elim on me.

But I also still need to actually catch up because you're still gonna hammer me once I DO claim. (I'll claim both the real role and what I thought my role was, but apparently isn't.)

This bears reiteration, I actually have some pretty important info to share, my role is both much weaker than I thought it was (the restrictions I didn't remember) but also much stronger than I thought it was (the info that I thought everyone had and knew, turns out it's literally just me), so like.

For your own sakes let me fucking catch up and then I'll share with the class.

[Yume]

UNVOTE:

Just in case.

[Scarfmanship]

I agree a lot with uwnnd is saying about DDS and they have the intelligence and time to say the things I don't know how to about why I don't like that slot.