Scum certainly can and do get voted out that way especially given the gamestate.
Multiball, looking for a wagon that progresses the game, players townreading me not wanting my elimination, having a null-or-below read there and deciding along the lines of "sure, why not?", etc.
The alignment of the player being voted out this way is determined both by the players on the wagon (at least 5/8 are guaranteed town), and also, the play of the player in question (RR is scum).
The names are mostly town so it's inherently a town-driven wagon. Since town don't know the alignments of who they are voting, the only factor is the scum--but given multiball, even the scum don't know the FULL alignments of who they are voting. The only way it'd be a wagon on town is either sheer chance, or RR being voted by both scumteams.
Which is a quite small pool considering all of {mastina, Past Present Future, Yume, Ydrasse, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow} are town.
The wagon which actually won't get scum voted out is mine, and you'll get my claim when I get fully caught up.
In post 2386, T-Bone wrote:At least the people voting Mastina think she's scum and have made arguments right or wrong.
And what, may I ask, actually
are
those arguments?
No, seriously.
What are they, exactly?
That I pushed MathBlade to claim by outing his 'crumbs? I thought that he was breadcrumbing my investigative role. I was wrong, but I still thought that.
That I haven't changed my reads enough? I definitely have.
That I haven't explained my reads enough? I've spent more energy explaining them than I have anything else.
That my reasons for the reads are fake? Well they aren't. Without the "why do you think they're fake", there's nothing to respond to because this is a generic vague accusation that has no backing.
That my posts are too defensive? They definitely haven't been. I've spent more time on the offense than anywhere else.
That my posts have been too long? I don't think I need to counter that.
That I am townreading a small set of players and they are defending me therefore we must be a scumteam? I'm defending more players than is possible to be a team, and vice-versa. So like: it's self-evident there's at least one town player in the mix and given how well the players know each other, it's actually just all of us being town and knowing each other to know each other are town. {Ydrasse, Past Present Future, Yume, Dingle Dangle Scarecrow} are all town, period.
That I had a breakdown? Well yes but that was rl-based.
The nature of the content during the breakdown? Okay, what was that which was scum?
That my posts have been spending a lot of time/energy doing things you don't think are important, rather than X Y Z that you think is? I'm both very busy, and not you, so my priorities are going to be mine.
That I have refused to claim? Well no fucking shit, I've been town by play the entire game, I shouldn't have needed to. (That said, given my info, I should've, but--I legit didn't remember that info, I remembered my PM wrong until today, so like, I didn't think I needed to.)
That the wagon on me has persisted? Yes, it's been pushed by lazy individuals regardless of their alignment.
That no coherent counterwagon has formed? That's a towntell, not a scumtell.
That there's been my wagon, versus multiple different wagons? Towntell, not a scumtell.
That my flip would be "better for the gamestate"? That ain't a scumread, now, is it?
That my flip would "give the most information"? Okay,
what
info would my townflip give? Not scumflip, that ain't happening, TOWNflip, what does it give? Any answer that has Yume/Ydrasse/PPF/DDS as scum is wrong. So what info does it give? That I was pushed by players and defended by players, but what are the alignments of the pushers and the defenders? You get no info about that tomorrow that you don't have today, so my flip does not provide those things.
That I changed playstyles multiple times this game (with the implication that I did so to save myself)? I think the reasons for that should be pretty fucking apparent. (Plurality + rl shit.)
That I am pushing players you personally think are town? Okay, but what makes me be scum from that rather than town believing my push?
That the players pushing me are your townreads? Okay, but what makes them more likely to be right just because you're townreading them, and what makes your townread on them likely to be right?
That I have done X in random scumgame A, Y in random scumgame B, and Z in random scumgame C, and done XYZ in this game, in spite of the fact that I've never done all three of XYZ in any game of mine as scum before and X is town in 90+% of my games (with scumgame A as literally the only scumgame with it), Y is town in 90+% of my games, etc.? Well that's pretty damn apparent in why it's not a good take.
That I am OMGUS'ing? Try to get your chronology right, the people voting me, did so after I scumread them--and some of them I never scumread at all. (T-Bone for instance.) I'm also not scumreading literally half of them.
That everything I have done
could
come from scum? Why yes, but that doesn't mean it
did
.
That I "scumslipped" the game having 6 scum? Well for a start you're pretty fucking dumb if you think that the
literal first game I play
after Datisi's Cafe where Ircher was caught for a scumslip on faction numbers, I then go on to do the
very same mistake
. (I wouldn't.) I never actually said there were 6 scum. (I'll be explaining this point more when I get to the MathBlade post on the subject.) Because I don't know there to be 6 scum. I assumed, and since then from the push on me I believe that the scum believe I am scum who TMI'd and that therefore the wagon on me tells us that, yes, there are six scum in spite of me being town.
That meta tells aren't valid? Not when you have enough multiball games to have meta from every perspective several times over. Also this isn't a reason for me to be scum in the first place, it's a shitty attempt to discredit the townreads on me.
That I have been toxic to the gamestate? Well, fair, I suppose--but that doesn't reveal my alignment, now, does it? Or rather it does, and it ain't a scum one.
That I have tried to exhaust people and did so successfully? Well, fair, but I've never actually done that as scum; every game it's happened, I was town.
That I haven't been very logical? I have been, and even if I wasn't, not scum.
That I've made pushes that are good for scum? And what would those be? Certainly not MathBlade. Definitely not professotic. And what makes RR a bad push? Him claiming a role that's likely a scumclaim? He ain't town.
That keeping me in the game is better for scum? That doesn't make me scum and actually makes me town, but even
that
logic I have disagreements on, which I intend to vocalize.
I'm feeling a bit lazy (ironically enough), I know this isn't all the reasons any of you have had for me being scum, but I'm too lazy to write them all out but suffice to say, if I did track them down, literally every single one of them would be one of:
-Rats-ass backwards (being a towntell),
-Not actually a scumtell,
-Be subjective,
-Be outright false,
-Be hypocritical in how it uses one set of logic to justify a scumread on me but disregarding that same logic and its implications elsewhere which would prove the point to not be true,
-Be vague, unspecific, not defined.
Often more than one of those.
Feel free to state "I'm not scumreading you for any of that, I'm scumreading you for X Y Z" in spite of me acknowledging that I don't actually have the motivation to go look up all the reasons for the scumreads on me since it's literally like ten players each with 100+ post isos that I would have to sift through which is like 3000 posts to point to--fuck that.
I'm just rambling them off as they pop up into my head, but if you insist, you can state the reasons for the scumread again--and then I can demonstrate to you how EMPTY that scumread is.
Because the reasons for voting me are entirely empty, lazy, or both. And in hindsight, you'll see it, too.
After I flip town, you can look at every player scumreading me.
Read their reasons WHY they were scumreading me
with the knowledge I am town
and try to fucking tell me that their reasons were valid and fleshed out.
The only one with a fleshed out scumread on me is MathBlade.
The only three with nuanced scumreads on me are MathBlade, professotic, and T-Bone.
But nobody has
valid
reasons, and every. other. vote. on me has been lazy, with many of the lazy reasons being outright invalid, and every one of the lazy reads not being fleshed out and lacking nuance to the thought process.
Because while not everyone who voting me is scum, everyone who is voting me IS lazy.
Also, reminder: this IS going to lead up to me claiming. For real. Just airing thoughts out first.
