Warrior Cats Mafia [Day Three]

[KittyTacky]

The T3 flashwagon is so weird. I'd say it's +scum for Alisae but they are already rock bottom scummy along with Norwe, so.

why is it scummy?

Because T3 doesn't seem to be faking imo and just seems to be genuinely struggling with catching up.

Might as well disclose it since scum likely know by now.
Titus joined Wind Clan and I asked in wind clan if we could potentially flashwagon T3 since I townread everyone else in hood. This makes sense since we were talking about if there was scum in the hood and I thought if there was scum in our hood its probs just T3.
Norwee agreed with the idea so I went with it. I obvs couldn't get to check in with Val or Shiro about it since time was kind off of the essence. It was an idea worth trying because maybe if we did say eliminate T3 and flip him before he could tell scum that Titus joined Wind Clan, that would be a huge edge to have over scum. This is assuming he does flip scum ofc.

Ah. Well I think you're scum, this wagon is scum-motivated, and so T3 is more likely town unless it's a bus. :shrug:

how did we go from here to putting t3 in poe to voting there

Quite a while passed, when I made those posts he pmuch just started catching up so I thought he was town, then much of D2 passed and he... yea.

Reads change, mate. I suck at this game. I can change my opinion especially on null people.

[KittyTacky]

Listening to him explain his reads makes me think he doesn't understand the game at all. This is why I've been saying that his reads are actually just below random. The way he talks about his reads, how he got them, and like, why, is just incredibly weak and makes me think he would actually just be better off RNGing his vote.

I have a lot of thoughts and I at least like to believe I am mediocre at reading, my main issue is

putting it to words

and not accidentally looking scummy. I have a decent winrate. I still suck and am an idiot yes but I am not a total noob.

[KittyTacky]

This response to my defense seems... genuine? I still think Alisae is somewhat scummy but yeah I'm set on T3 for now.

[Alisae]

Because otherwise it looks like you're just letting me go off on kittytacky while shit talking me to your clan

I mean...Ya...I've been limiting my engagement with the thread ever since I voted T3, only really engaging with Datisi since that was something I started and only when I felt like I have something to add to thread.

Are you saying like I'm not allowed to observe you doing your thing? I have been for the most part radio silent when it comes to putting out content since I finished my engagements with Datisi. Am I not allowed to take a step back and remove myself from the game? Do I have to post about it like Norwee did to let everyone know that this is something I'm doing? I don't get why you think I have to immediately engage you just because I think you could be a wolf.

And you want to know what I see?
What I see is you making the extra effort to try to push a person I think is probably going to flip town in response to big T3 wagon.
I also see you trying to discredit anyone who claims to have a strong read on T3.

In fact, me writing this out made me ISO you ant ctrl + f T3 and I see you're first read on him lmfao im ded
guy gets his own category
says needs to give player more time
Heck honestly I wouldn't be surprised to see T3 flip wolf and you be aligned with him given your very first read on T3. That's the kind of read I give my wolf buddies who need time to become players but then never eventually play. Put him in wolf pool, fos him, never vote him. It's a fucking tale as old as time.

I wouldn't even say my read on T3 is strong just PoE since it doesn't make any sense for anyone else to be a wolf in wind clan unless it's like Val or something and I'm not buying that.

I also don't get this thing where I have to apparently "read your posts" to have a fos on you.
Like you can say whatever the fuck you want, I'm not going to find you if you're scum because of the things you say.
I am going to find you based on your actions and reads because that's way more worthwhile than the nitty gritty small details of your posts.

- fwiw, I think his reactions to me trying to cancel him and get people to just not engage with him, honestly, I buy it, I think it's genuine and doesn't come from a wolf.
- I also buy that one post he also made where all of the normal q players have meta on him but no one else here does. That seems more real than him saying he is anxious about going over post cap.

- So what's probably more likely is wolves are jumping to KT like dogs to a bone.
Way more people suspect KT than Norwee and I mean, just look at his posts.
Guy plays like newbtown.
Listening to him explain his reads makes me think he doesn't understand the game at all. This is why I've been saying that his reads are actually just below random. The way he talks about his reads, how he got them, and like, why, is just incredibly weak and makes me think he would actually just be better off RNGing his vote.

None of this is particularly convincing to me, it's just multiple variations on "he seems real" when I've had very specific issues with his posts that I've brought up and you haven't really bothered addressing. I don't buy that the emotionality is something that's unlikely to be faked in this instance.

And how did you go from thinking his posts were basically scum trolling to this? I don't get what flipped you around.

I mean you decided to remove the bit that REALLY gave me pause. Ya know, the bit about how I think all of the people who voted Norwee D1 are probably town and how literally 3 players, mastina, SS, and Kitty, never moved their vote at all during the course of the day? That's the kind of stuff that REALLY made me reconsider along with the other more weaker points and I mentioned this (just the voting stuff) to Titus and she told me to take a step away from the player SO THATS WHAT I DID.

How do I go from this guy is scum trolling/openwolfing to this??? I mean who fucking wouldn't when they get told to reconsider and the nature of the read and the player??? You think I can't at all consider the too wolfy to be a wolf angle and that I should just be locked into this read all day??? That sounds like something scum!Ali would do honestly.

[KittyTacky]

but also i do kinda think its possible that kitty and t3 are both scum, the way that kitty moved onto there felt weird to me and could be motivated

Elaborate?

[Datisi]

All I really want to say is while Kitty might be a good flip, I think it flips town and I've been solving under that impression.

i really don't love that this is the second time you admit you don't even think the person you're hardshoving is scum

wait, i just checked, your vote is on t3? okay that's not as bad, nevermind

Guy plays like newbtown.

where and why did you get this impression? i see 2423 exists but that does not convince me

IT IS FRUSTRATING TO RECIEVE RESPONSES LIKE 1311 AND THEN SEE A POST LIKE 2417 COMPLAINING ABOUT HOW YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT MOTIVATES ME OR WHAT FACTORS I'M LOOKING AT.

this is extremely rich coming from you, bear.

(also short note - i prefer people not use they/them for me, i have my pronouns listed right under my avatar, thanks)

mood

ok this was really not as useful as i'd hoped it would be uhh

[KittyTacky]

This is why I've been saying that his reads are actually just below random. The way he talks about his reads, how he got them, and like, why, is just incredibly weak and makes me think he would actually just be better off RNGing his vote.

Seems pretty easy to attack.

TOWN KT HAS GOOD READS THOUGH IMO, OR AT LEAST AVERAGE.

The one person I had a solid read on that we have a flip of (Mastina) I did read correctly, soooooo...

[Datisi]

I wouldn't even say my read on T3 is strong just PoE since it doesn't make any sense for anyone else to be a wolf in wind clan unless it's like Val or something and I'm not buying that.

why do you think there HAS to be a wolf in your clan?

[KittyTacky]

I mean how on Earth would you know about the quality of my reads so early unless you are informed or scum?

[Cephrir]

why isnt kittytacky dead yet?

[Datisi]

I mean how on Earth would you know about the quality of my reads so early unless you are informed or scum?

didn't you literally just quote and respond to the part where they explain this

sidenote, i am getting... stressed about the catboi/alisae conversation that's going on. i'm not *sure* what i think about it yet and what i should be thinking about it, but uh not good feels.

[KittyTacky]

I really don’t care about the meta of some troll if that’s how u sort them good for u.

Other people can do whatever the fuck they want, I just think that engaging with the slot to me is a waste of posts. I mean I think the guy posts like an open wolf npc but I mean maybe more people need more time to reach that conclusion? I’m just saying why I’m not engaging with it, and you shouldn’t either it’s not worth ur posts.

i don't think they're actually a troll,

they just often get eliminated.

and there's a difference between saying that you're not going to engage with the posts anymore and encouraging other people not to. that's the part i don't really get. i get it in situations where the person is like spamming or just being a nuisance or whatever, but i don't really feel like that applies here?

idk maybe im just sensitive to the sentiment he gave of getting discouraged by feeling like people are ignoring him when he tries to get more engaged, so then seeing you basically telling everyone to ignore him is like... feels like targeted towards shutting down any chance of him showing himself as town if he is

So, like, mind telling me where you got the bolded from? Because I went though his games and I had to go back to March of 2021 to find a game where he was mis-eliminated as town and since then he's had 7 straight where he's either NKed or endgames. The times he frequently gets eliminated are...when he's scum.

I DON'T RECALL EVER SEEING KT GET MISLIMMED AS TOWN OR EVEN GET PRESSURED ALL THAT MUCH BEYOND NORMAL D1 PUSHES.

I get a ton of pressure D1/D2 nearly always is what I am alreays pretty scared of. The only reason I don't get mislimmed much is because I defend like a cornered badger.

I mean how on Earth would you know about the quality of my reads so early unless you are informed or scum?

didn't you literally just quote and respond to the part where they explain this

Except Alisae has never played with me period, I am always a bit light on read explanations and I'm trying to improve but I can't.

[KittyTacky]

But like it's a fact that I actually did read the one flip we know correctly? I still have no idea where the oft-repeated "his reads are worse than random" comes from.

[Datisi]

But like it's a fact that I actually did read the one flip we know correctly?

why do you keep repeating this as if it actually means anything or matters for anything

[KittyTacky]

But like it's a fact that I actually did read the one flip we know correctly?

why do you keep repeating this as if it actually means anything or matters for anything

Because what else would "KT's reads are worse than random" mean?

[Alisae]

Listening to him explain his reads makes me think he doesn't understand the game at all. This is why I've been saying that his reads are actually just below random. The way he talks about his reads, how he got them, and like, why, is just incredibly weak and makes me think he would actually just be better off RNGing his vote.

I have a lot of thoughts and I at least like to believe I am mediocre at reading, my main issue is

putting it to words

and not accidentally looking scummy. I have a decent winrate. I still suck and am an idiot yes but I am not a total noob.

You don't know how to put it into words because you're an idiot and you don't understand the game.

All of your stances are arbitrary. Think of it as a math equation. One may be able to get the right answer but if they the solved the problem in a way that's incorrect, then the answer is wrong. I'm good enough and have the game knowledge and experience to be able to look at another player and just tell who is experienced and who isn't and sucks and is just an idiot. I've played so so many games.

You may have reads, you may have a way you reached those conclusions, but you don't actually know what are the things that town actually do and you don't know what the things that scum actually do and I'm able to deduce this based on the reads you have, how, and why and your posts. You literally post like you suck and have below random reads.

[Cephrir]

There's no need to be mean

[Alisae]

But like it's a fact that I actually did read the one flip we know correctly?

why do you keep repeating this as if it actually means anything or matters for anything

BECAUSE HE THINKS ITS MEANINGFUL AND THE FACT HE THINKS ITS ACTUALLY MEANINGFUL IS PROVING MY POINT

[Alisae]

GUYS I'M TOWN
GUYS
GUYS
THIS IS MY TOWN PLAY, IT MIGHT BE WEIRD BUT IT IS IN FACT MY TOWNPLAY

I AM TOWN BUT I AM GETTING WAGONED BECAUSE NO ONE IS ABLE TO SEE THAT I AM TOWN

GUYS I AM TOWN I AM TRYING CAN'T YOU SEE IT???

Like do you know how many posts you've made that just been this Kitty?
And do you think any of it is actually meaningful or helpful?

I hate it I hate it I hate it bro

[Datisi]

I wouldn't even say my read on T3 is strong just PoE since it doesn't make any sense for anyone else to be a wolf in wind clan unless it's like Val or something and I'm not buying that.

why do you think there HAS to be a wolf in your clan?

please answer this, ali

[Alisae]

Catboi is probably just wrong town tbh. I strongly TR him in spire of everything because I understand why someone would SR me for my weird playstyle. But with me, you gotta look at the motivation behind my posts.

I FOS THEM!!!
CATBOI IS PROBABLY A WOLF IN THIS GAME. EVEN IF HE WASN'T THAT KIND OF VOTE ON YOU IS SOMETHING HE COULD DO AS A WOLF. NOT AT ALL ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE
BUT SOMEHOW HE'S TOWN????????????????

????????????IKFOS'PDYU'S;PD
AOST
'GSFIDYH
'DUJFH
;DFUYJH
'SD09TO\
]RYESDFIUKYH
DFUJ

[KittyTacky]

Listening to him explain his reads makes me think he doesn't understand the game at all. This is why I've been saying that his reads are actually just below random. The way he talks about his reads, how he got them, and like, why, is just incredibly weak and makes me think he would actually just be better off RNGing his vote.

I have a lot of thoughts and I at least like to believe I am mediocre at reading, my main issue is

putting it to words

and not accidentally looking scummy. I have a decent winrate. I still suck and am an idiot yes but I am not a total noob.

You don't know how to put it into words because you're an idiot and you don't understand the game.

All of your stances are arbitrary. Think of it as a math equation. One may be able to get the right answer but if they the solved the problem in a way that's incorrect, then the answer is wrong. I'm good enough and have the game knowledge and experience to be able to look at another player and just tell who is experienced and who isn't and sucks and is just an idiot. I've played so so many games.

You may have reads, you may have a way you reached those conclusions, but you don't actually know what are the things that town actually do and you don't know what the things that scum actually do and I'm able to deduce this based on the reads you have, how, and why and your posts. You literally post like you suck and have below random reads.

Well at least I'm trying. Keep in mind that I took a break for like 6 months and I don't have nearly as much experience with the game as you. But still, I just... can't see what exactly is wrong with my reasoning this game other than it sometimes being a bit poorly explained?

But like it's a fact that I actually did read the one flip we know correctly?

why do you keep repeating this as if it actually means anything or matters for anything

BECAUSE HE THINKS ITS MEANINGFUL AND THE FACT HE THINKS ITS ACTUALLY MEANINGFUL IS PROVING MY POINT

Maybe you're right and I am actually an idiot but why isn't it meaningful? Explain it instead of just insulting me please...

Like do you know how many posts you've made that just been this Kitty?

Most of them were fairly early day 1 during the first push on me, now I actually have something to solve people on. I do better when there's a flip or two. Pray tell me what is wrong with my questioning of T3, for example?

Catboi is probably just wrong town tbh. I strongly TR him in spire of everything because I understand why someone would SR me for my weird playstyle. But with me, you gotta look at the motivation behind my posts.

I FOS THEM!!!
CATBOI IS PROBABLY A WOLF IN THIS GAME. EVEN IF HE WASN'T THAT KIND OF VOTE ON YOU IS SOMETHING HE COULD DO AS A WOLF. NOT AT ALL ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE
BUT SOMEHOW HE'S TOWN????????????????

????????????IKFOS'PDYU'S;PD
AOST
'GSFIDYH
'DUJFH
;DFUYJH
'SD09TO\
]RYESDFIUKYH
DFUJ

Jesus Christ calm down. Catboi is another gut read but I'm a bit afraid of just saying "it's gut".

[KittyTacky]

Just... I'm trying to understand why I'm being under attack with this exact talking point. It doesn't make sense to me.

[KittyTacky]

And getting insulted when asking about it really isn't helping matters you know?

[Cephrir]

75% or so of the game is town so getting a townread right is not that impressive