Warrior Cats Mafia [Day Three]

[SCRRRDBEAR]

THE LONGER ALISAE GUMS UP THE THREAD WITH THIS BACK AND FORTH WITHOUT REALIZING THAT KITTY IS FULL OF SHIT, THE MORE I WANT TO EXECUTE ALISAE FOR DUMB TELLING (AFTER KITTY OFC.)

[SCRRRDBEAR]

alisae why are you ignoring me

DUDE HE HAS TO CONCENTRATE, SCUM THEATER IS A LOT OF WORK

[KittyTacky]

Well to me, the way he handled the reads list seemed particularly scummy. Maybe I'm wrong. But it just doesn't feel right for town to catch up for so long and then post that kind of list.

To elaborate: any scum could post such a list in like 5 minutes by going with the consensus with a few select spicy takes to look "genuine". The two explanations seem essentially formed after the list too.

Source: did this as scum.

Maybe the Normal meta is just different? Keep in mind that I basically exclusively played Normals until recently. I never had to face such pushback there and now it honestly feels like my first 3 games both in how I feel and people's responses to me. Again if you're town I'm sorry for being incompetent.

I think generally speaking worse players will /in for normals. Maybe every now and then there is a normal that has a good table but I don't think the player quality in your games is particularly high at least from what I remember in the normal q. I only joined normal games if the table was worth it or the mod was.

Yeah then I guess I am still a noob. You're right, I still haven't quite built up how scum and town respond but I'm

trying

. And I am trying to improve.

I'm not, it's mostly a gut read wrt the post contents. I read a lot on tone.

You are selling it like it is a gacha moment.

I didn't intend to put it that way.

Well to me, the way he handled the reads list seemed particularly scummy. Maybe I'm wrong. But it just doesn't feel right for town to catch up for so long and then post that kind of list.

I am voting the player I want it dead I'm not going to tell you to not vote it with me. I mean it's pretty lackluster and the player isn't posting but he's made this post which is the same kind of post you made before.

Please ask me questions because I’m also having trouble formulating my thoughts.

Except I'm not scumreading T3 for that post.

If it was genuinely my situation then I'd still at least try to provide a reason for each read. Even if half of it was simply "gut". Even that is better than an ass naked reads list. It's just confusing.

[KittyTacky]

Like that is not overwhelmed town, it's just lazy scum trying to slip under the radar.

[KittyTacky]

I at least played enough with similar situations to tell that town just doesn't respond in that way.

[Alisae]

alisae why are you ignoring me

because you are a wolf with t3 so I don't want to engage with you on it it's a pointless conversation.
Do not like you at all pushing Kitty harder than T3 but being okay with T3 wagon.

Your stance on me is another reason why I decided to re-evaluate Kitty because you post like scum pushing him while also knowing that Me, Bear, and Kitty is town.

Your D2 play has been significantly worse.

[Datisi]

i have reasons why i asked the question and i'd appreciate an answer

sucks that you ask for faith in norwee while immediately jumping to my townread on bear being tmi but i'll see if i think that's genuine or not

[Alisae]

you won't because you're a wolf

[KittyTacky]

Gonna be entirely honest, this game, esp this convo D2, made me realize that even with like 20-odd games I am still a noob. Long way to go...

I feel like I wronged you Alisae, with acting dismissive and trollish myself day 1.

[Alisae]

Gonna be entirely honest, this game, esp this convo D2, made me realize that even with like 20-odd games I am still a noob. Long way to go...

I feel like I wronged you Alisae, with acting dismissive and trollish myself day 1.

Don't hurt yourself too much over it, if anything I'm the abusive one here. This is actually progress in the right direction because you are now starting to realize just how much it is that you just don't know. I've been there before, most people have, and I think the image shows it pretty well.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

Gonna be entirely honest, this game, esp this convo D2, made me realize that even with like 20-odd games I am still a noob. Long way to go...

I feel like I wronged you Alisae, with acting dismissive and trollish myself day 1.

*PUKES*

[Datisi]

"i think you're a wolf and your play has been worse today, so i am going to actively block you from getting the info that you need to solve and play better"

ok alisae, you're not gonna shitpush me from this game

[Alisae]

Kitty at the end of the day it's just a skill.
Skills can be learned and obtained.

I'm always been pretty good at the games I've played but I always wanted to be good at the stuff I do and desired to be like that.

Part of my ability to scumhunt comes from my strong understanding of playing wolf and knowing what wolves actually do. It strong enough that as a villager, I feel like I am confident ally able to remove myself from the game and just get reads that way by just looking at what people are doing.'

You will find wolves based on the things that wolves actually do and what you think wolves are going to do in the current situation, not because someone made a wolfy post. Villagers make wolfy posts all of the time doesn't mean they're actually wolves.

[Alisae]

"i think you're a wolf and your play has been worse today, so i am going to actively block you from getting the info that you need to solve and play better"

ok alisae, you're not gonna shitpush me from this game

This is...
actually how I think...
as a villager...
and I'm not sure I like it...

[Alisae]

Well if I don't like it ig I can change it!

[Alisae]

I wouldn't even say my read on T3 is strong just PoE since it doesn't make any sense for anyone else to be a wolf in wind clan unless it's like Val or something and I'm not buying that.

why do you think there HAS to be a wolf in your clan?

If there is a wolf its T3. I'm not saying there is a wolf in my clan. I am just saying if there is a wolf in my clan its T3.

[Datisi]

you can change it by showing me good faith and not acting like an omniscient asshole when that is not what you are!

pedit: okay cool

i now need an explanation why you think t3 is scum, and when and why you strated seeing kitty as town

[KittyTacky]

Yeah makes sense.

I did that already here, T3's "list" is what scum would do in that situation imo to attempt to hide from scrutiny. It's low-effort! Doable even if you just skimmed the game! Little risk of associative tells from your reasoning provided (since there's none)!

[Alisae]

i now need an explanation why you think t3 is scum, and when and why you strated seeing kitty as town

Why are you asking me to waste a post on things I've already quoted...

I wouldn't even say my read on T3 is strong just PoE since it doesn't make any sense for anyone else to be a wolf in wind clan unless it's like Val or something and I'm not buying that.

All I really want to say is while Kitty might be a good flip, I think it flips town and I've been solving under that impression.
I still don't really want to engage with him because I think his post quality is awful and I hate it but that doesn't necessarily mean scummy.

Fire's telling me about word tells is the only really convincing thing I feel like makes me want fos it? Otherwise I just don't think it makes sense for it be a wolf?

Otherwise I think it's probably flipping town.

- I think all town voted Norwee when it was at it's peak if Kitty is town.
Bell is probably town, Marashu is probably town, mastina flipped town, and Something_Smart if he is scum he just sat his vote on Norwee that whole day phase and did nothing which is...something I would expect from town SS? Like he doesn't move off anything at all? Nothing else interested him during that day? He's like encouraging Norwee wagon when no one else wants to. Seems like a weird move to be coming from scum so I'm just going to act under the impression it likely is town. Usually in these games if there is a group of voters that don't move their votes around at all, those players are probably going to be town?

Which means that Scum weren't hiding behind mastina.....
It's just players that are either unfamiliar with her buying what she has to say or in SS' case, him just doing his own thing.

- fwiw, I think his reactions to me trying to cancel him and get people to just not engage with him, honestly, I buy it, I think it's genuine and doesn't come from a wolf.
- I also buy that one post he also made where all of the normal q players have meta on him but no one else here does. That seems more real than him saying he is anxious about going over post cap.

- So what's probably more likely is wolves are jumping to KT like dogs to a bone.
Way more people suspect KT than Norwee and I mean, just look at his posts.
Guy plays like newbtown.
Listening to him explain his reads makes me think he doesn't understand the game at all. This is why I've been saying that his reads are actually just below random. The way he talks about his reads, how he got them, and like, why, is just incredibly weak and makes me think he would actually just be better off RNGing his vote.

Seems pretty easy to attack.

This is the why.

The only thing I can think of that this post doesn't address is the when and I would say around the time PP and Titus started fighting. While Titus was engaging PP I asked her about Kitty and Norwee since she also wants to flip Norwee for wagon data and I pointed out the thing w/ wagons and Titus told me to take a step back so I did. We were talking about wagons and votecounts and stuff so I noticed the Norwee voters that never moved their vote and that made me hesitant.

[Datisi]

you didn't. your reasons for scumreading t3 boil down to "he's poe via hood" but that doesn't make sense as there is not necessarily scum in your hood anyway. yet you are preflipping a shit ton of things based on t3 being scum. which is either circular reasoning or doesn't make sense and i wanna know where the t3 read stems from

the only things you said about why you townread kitty there is him being genuine about the reaction to you trying to cancel him and that post about town meta, which like whatever i guess is A Reason, but also i think you mentioned somewhere that the way he explains his reads is newbtown and i wanna know where you got thta imporession? like i feel like your read on kitty should be based on more things by zhe way it's currently influencing your thoughts on the game

[Alisae]

on second thought
I made you waste post because I was ignoring you

[Alisae]

like i feel like your read on kitty should be based on more things by zhe way it's currently influencing your thoughts on the game

And I feel like your line of questioning comes from a wolf and you're playing dumb.

[Alisae]

These questions do not help you sort my alignment Datisi. They can be answered just by reading my posts today and my interactions with Kitty.
These questions are for you to allow yourself into transition into fosing me.
It is what you've been planning all day.

This is not scumhunting

[Datisi]

i haven't read your most recent posts with kitty carefully as i have been classposting, if you have explained it there then my bad, i'll read them proper when i come home

why do you keep ignoring the t3 bit

[Alisae]

I would just double down on it