Mini Normal 2283 - Game Over!

[Elements]

Oh I see

[Elements]

So no, it doesn't make a difference

[Grib]

NM could be an Innocent Child and I think he’d still end up getting himself elimmed.

[Enchant]

NM could be an Innocent Child and I think he’d still end up getting himself elimmed.

[Enchant]

Massclaim?

[Grib]

Hardclaim WOAT villager.

[Grib]

The only way NM is ever a Mason is if Bella is lying and scum have an extra kill. I scanned the Normal wiki page and that doesn’t seem like a possibility.

[Elements]

Hardclaim WOAT villager.

At least you're doing better than frog

[Frogsterking]

Three Masons, Vig, Doc. Five confirmed town in a twelve-person game? Is that common or even reasonable?

Thirteen, my bad.

Yeah there’s no way that half of the game’s villagers are TPRs.

I can't find the quote from implosion but the principle is 3 powerful TPRs per scum PR.

I think you're overvaluing the power of Masons quite a bit. In the Normal PR tier list, vig is top tier, doc is high tier, and masons are mid tier.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13500924

My theory is that scum have two PRs (like a roleblocker and a watcher) and we have something like an unclaimed traffic analyst.

[Grib]

That is a very specific role I’ve never even heard of.

[Frogsterking]

That is a very specific role I’ve never even heard of.

It's a PT cop except it doesn't score a hit if there isn't anyone alive in the PT to talk to.

[Frogsterking]

Town

Vig
Traffic analyst
Doc
2/3 Masons (macho)
4/5 VTs

Scum

Watcher
Roleblocker
Goon

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This is what I'm imagining here.

[Frogsterking]

That is a very specific role I’ve never even heard of.

It's a PT cop except it doesn't score a hit if there isn't anyone alive in the PT to talk to.

So it won't be able to guilty the last remaining scum or get a false guilty on a last remaining mason because there is no "traffic" in their PT.

[Bellaphant]

What's woat?

[Bellaphant]

Also I haven't full claimed but I don't think it matters

[Bellaphant]

I thought that mason claims was a joke?

The PT finder was just used in datisis cafe, or something very similar

[Elements]

worst of all time

[Not_Mafia]

Three Masons, Vig, Doc. Five confirmed town in a twelve-person game? Is that common or even reasonable?

Vig is often negative utility

[Enchant]

No, it's only negative utility if he kills important roles. Like masons.

... Oh. Either way, mod will never balance for vig roleplaying serial killer, because opposite is devastating: Vig can solowin game by shoting scum each night.

[Enchant]

... Why mod made masons machos. But not Vig?

... Or he did? Idk not gonna question it.

[Aisa]

Massclaim?

Somebody should figure out if this is a good idea.

I gave it like five minutes of thought and I don't see it hurting massively (I doubt there's like, that much left for Town to claim anyway), so I would be pro massclaim. Let's say I'll demand a popcorn massclaim in 12 hours or so, unless someone tells me not to do it?

Also, summary of current claims:
Frog - Doctor - protected TSQ N1, protected ??? N2.
Bella - Vig (not a full claim) - vigged HPE N1, did not act N2.
Not Mafia - "Mason"

[Enchant]

It's good idea.

We have 2 ded masons, one claimed "Mason", Unlimited Vigilante and Unlimited Doctor. If there's other power, it's dangerously strange then.

[Elements]

I think it's a good idea

[Elements]

there is no way NM's mason claim is serious

[Enchant]

I actually consider this claim serious.

But it looks fishy.