Warrior Cats Mafia [Day Three]

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is exactly the same.
You may be placed as absolute scumread if T3 flips scum now.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

and I had this really dumb theory forming in my head that kittytacky told the scum PT "I suck I always get eliminated" and fire just came in assuming kittytacky meant as both alignments when that is not actually true

IMO THE SCUM PT WENT SOMETHING LIKE

KITTY: I AM BAD SCUM SORRY GUYS, JUST BUSS ME D1

DATISI: OK

[SCRRRDBEAR]

This is exactly the same

FOS NORWEE

[SCRRRDBEAR]

VAL CAN YOU GIVE US ANOTHER LAY DOWN ON THE DYNAMICS OF WIND CLAN

[SCRRRDBEAR]

T3: NorwegianboyEE, Alisae, Titus, fireisredsir, Charloux, KittyTacky, Dannflor
[5] KittyTacky: Datisi, Cephrir, Something_Smart, SCRRRDBEAR, Bell

IMO DATISI IS A BUS VOTE AND THE REST OF KT WAGON IS PURE. I'M NOT SURE WHAT IS GOING ON WITH THE T3 WAGON BUT I FOS NORWEE NOW

[SCRRRDBEAR]

TITUS, WHY ARE YOU ON T3¿

[SCRRRDBEAR]

However, I really like your response to Bear after they kept tunneling you despite it being several hundred posts after the fact.

I DIDN'T REALIZE SCUM TELLS COME WITH AN EXPIRATION DATE. MY BAD. I SHOULD LEARN MORE ABOUT RECENCY BIAS.

I'M EXPECTING A RESPONSE HERE, T3

[NorwegianboyEE]

VAL CAN YOU GIVE US ANOTHER LAY DOWN ON THE DYNAMICS OF WIND CLAN

Why asking Val?

[Bell]

Why is it always datisi that is the scum and why isn’t it me in my scum PT going “okay”?
I just reversed with no explanation beyond that I changed my mind.

I don’t have a case on kitty btw. I’m sheeping cephrir who is sheeping catboi who is bussing Kitty.

[Bell]

Or something.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

Or something.

THAT DOESN'T JIVE WITH THE NARRATIVE SUGGESTED BY CATBOI THAT KT LIKELY INFORMED HIS SCUM TEAM UP FRONT THAT HE IS OFTEN ELIMINATED EARLY. DATISI PUSHED KT RIGHT AWAY AND YOU DID NOT IIRC.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

Or something.

THAT DOESN'T JIVE WITH THE NARRATIVE SUGGESTED BY CATBOI THAT KT LIKELY INFORMED HIS SCUM TEAM UP FRONT THAT HE IS OFTEN ELIMINATED EARLY. DATISI PUSHED KT RIGHT AWAY AND YOU DID NOT IIRC.

YOU CAN SEE MY QUOTE OF CATBOI WITHIN 2601 FOR THE CONTEXT.

2601 WAS PRESENTED COMEDICALLY BUT MY SUSPICIONS ARE SERIOUS.

[catboi]

In all seriousness, I think the confidence with which people are calling T3 scum is overblown, I think he is basically =rand right now. I'd still be fine policy yeeting him out of the game if he's going to literally not play it but I also would be entirely unsurprised if he flipped green. Shrug.

Nah I feel coughing up a weird and mostly unexplained list after catching up for so long is scummy and not =rand.

This is a player specific statement FWIW. Like, yes, I think what he's doing is basically awful and completely unhelpful if he's town.

But in my experience T3 basically almost never explains any reads he has as town and when he does his justification is usually "it's just vibes" or something similarly empty. This happens basically no matter how much you prod him. He gets yeeted for it a lot, regardless of his alignment. Somehow this has not motivated him to stp doing this. If it were a completely unknown player I'd agree it's scummy in a vacuum. I'm just saying my expectations for T3 are not very high.

[Bell]

I’m not sure if datisi is a coward who would bus his partner like that.
Mostly because I don’t think he would want to be alone.
Because he’s a coward(this is in jest)

[Bell]

That joke was funnier in my head.

[PenguinPower]

In all seriousness, I think the confidence with which people are calling T3 scum is overblown, I think he is basically =rand right now. I'd still be fine policy yeeting him out of the game if he's going to literally not play it but I also would be entirely unsurprised if he flipped green. Shrug.

Nah I feel coughing up a weird and mostly unexplained list after catching up for so long is scummy and not =rand.

This is a player specific statement FWIW. Like, yes, I think what he's doing is basically awful and completely unhelpful if he's town.

But in my experience T3 basically almost never explains any reads he has as town and when he does his justification is usually "it's just vibes" or something similarly empty. This happens basically no matter how much you prod him. He gets yeeted for it a lot, regardless of his alignment. Somehow this has not motivated him to stp doing this. If it were a completely unknown player I'd agree it's scummy in a vacuum. I'm just saying my expectations for T3 are not very high.

Seems both leading wagons are scummy as a default then.

Why are you on KT then?

(Side note: love that the mods is at the bottom of the iso list. Makes selecting them on mobile very easy)

[PenguinPower]

That joke was funnier in my head.

Must have been.

[PenguinPower]

In all seriousness, I think the confidence with which people are calling T3 scum is overblown, I think he is basically =rand right now. I'd still be fine policy yeeting him out of the game if he's going to literally not play it but I also would be entirely unsurprised if he flipped green. Shrug.

Nah I feel coughing up a weird and mostly unexplained list after catching up for so long is scummy and not =rand.

This is a player specific statement FWIW. Like, yes, I think what he's doing is basically awful and completely unhelpful if he's town.

But in my experience T3 basically almost never explains any reads he has as town and when he does his justification is usually "it's just vibes" or something similarly empty. This happens basically no matter how much you prod him. He gets yeeted for it a lot, regardless of his alignment. Somehow this has not motivated him to stp doing this. If it were a completely unknown player I'd agree it's scummy in a vacuum. I'm just saying my expectations for T3 are not very high.

Seems both leading wagons are scummy as a default then.

Why are you on KT then?

(Side note: love that the mods is at the bottom of the iso list. Makes selecting them on mobile very easy)

Eh. Nvm. I thought you were ceph.

These cat avatars….

[PenguinPower]

Vote someone btw.

[Cephrir]

These cat avatars….

*clears throat* M-meow.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

LOL

[catboi]

okay, this is going to be a lot to deal with, I apologize in advance

Because otherwise it looks like you're just letting me go off on kittytacky while shit talking me to your clan

I mean...Ya...I've been limiting my engagement with the thread ever since I voted T3, only really engaging with Datisi since that was something I started and only when I felt like I have something to add to thread.

Are you saying like I'm not allowed to observe you doing your thing? I have been for the most part radio silent when it comes to putting out content since I finished my engagements with Datisi. Am I not allowed to take a step back and remove myself from the game? Do I have to post about it like Norwee did to let everyone know that this is something I'm doing? I don't get why you think I have to immediately engage you just because I think you could be a wolf.

And you want to know what I see?
What I see is you making the extra effort to try to push a person I think is probably going to flip town in response to big T3 wagon.
I also see you trying to discredit anyone who claims to have a strong read on T3.

I mean, no, you're not obligated to engage with me. But if you believe I'm scum trying to push a counterwagon, I have no idea why you wouldn't be trying to shut that down here? Like, that feels like something I would consider

worthy

of addressing in-thread, in my opinion.

Your narrative is nonsense, of course, because people were trying to push kitty in the beginning part of the day, I had been voting kittytacky yesterday, I vocalized that suspicion of him early in the day before I'd even seen there was a wagon on T3. And if I'm supposed to be countering that I'm doing a poor job since I have

literally said

I don't care if people flip T3, I'm not standing in the way of that wagon at all.

In fact, me writing this out made me ISO you ant ctrl + f T3 and I see you're first read on him lmfao im ded
guy gets his own category
says needs to give player more time
Heck honestly I wouldn't be surprised to see T3 flip wolf and you be aligned with him given your very first read on T3. That's the kind of read I give my wolf buddies who need time to become players but then never eventually play. Put him in wolf pool, fos him, never vote him. It's a fucking tale as old as time.

And this is just disingenuous as fuck??? like, at the time of that list I'm pretty sure T3 had 5 posts or something, of fucking course he's null because he had no alignment indicative content. Trying to suggest I'm scum with him because I wasn't scumreading him off of nothing is bullshit and you should know better than this.

I wouldn't even say my read on T3 is strong just PoE since it doesn't make any sense for anyone else to be a wolf in wind clan unless it's like Val or something and I'm not buying that.

And again this confidence is weird to me because...I can easily see Val being scum given his vote for mastina was pretty bad, and shiro has hardly done anything, at all, so I don't exactly think everyone else in your hood is super townie or anything, unless your justification is that they've done more in the PT than the main thread this is weird to me.

I also don't get this thing where I have to apparently "read your posts" to have a fos on you.
Like you can say whatever the fuck you want, I'm not going to find you if you're scum because of the things you say.
I am going to find you based on your actions and reads because that's way more worthwhile than the nitty gritty small details of your posts.

I...what? I'm saying it feels like you

are not actually reading what I am saying

because you haven't actually given any counterargument to my KT read, just called him town for ???reasons. But also the idea you don't need to read the posts of someone in a mafia game is fucking baffling? Like I don't remember you playing like this at all?

- fwiw, I think his reactions to me trying to cancel him and get people to just not engage with him, honestly, I buy it, I think it's genuine and doesn't come from a wolf.
- I also buy that one post he also made where all of the normal q players have meta on him but no one else here does. That seems more real than him saying he is anxious about going over post cap.

- So what's probably more likely is wolves are jumping to KT like dogs to a bone.
Way more people suspect KT than Norwee and I mean, just look at his posts.
Guy plays like newbtown.
Listening to him explain his reads makes me think he doesn't understand the game at all. This is why I've been saying that his reads are actually just below random. The way he talks about his reads, how he got them, and like, why, is just incredibly weak and makes me think he would actually just be better off RNGing his vote.

None of this is particularly convincing to me, it's just multiple variations on "he seems real" when I've had very specific issues with his posts that I've brought up and you haven't really bothered addressing. I don't buy that the emotionality is something that's unlikely to be faked in this instance.

And how did you go from thinking his posts were basically scum trolling to this? I don't get what flipped you around.

I mean you decided to remove the bit that REALLY gave me pause. Ya know, the bit about how I think all of the people who voted Norwee D1 are probably town and how literally 3 players, mastina, SS, and Kitty, never moved their vote at all during the course of the day? That's the kind of stuff that REALLY made me reconsider along with the other more weaker points and I mentioned this (just the voting stuff) to Titus and she told me to take a step away from the player SO THATS WHAT I DID.

How do I go from this guy is scum trolling/openwolfing to this??? I mean who fucking wouldn't when they get told to reconsider and the nature of the read and the player??? You think I can't at all consider the too wolfy to be a wolf angle and that I should just be locked into this read all day??? That sounds like something scum!Ali would do honestly.

[/quote]I removed the bit about norwee voters being town because as best as I can tell it's completely arbitrary and I have no idea why you believe that or why I should believe that? It just seems like you made that assumption at random?

And like, okay, I get that you were told to reconsider the read I'm just really not understanding what prompted the change at all

[PenguinPower]

More that not everyone is using what I’m used to. But yeah…people around here refer to raccoons as trashcats.

[PenguinPower]

Oh..well that was substantive.

[catboi]

Vote someone btw.