Mini 2284: The Thing Anonymous [Day 2]

[petapan]

Vote Count 1.02

Clark (4):

MacReady, Garry, Blair, Childs

Norris (2):

Nauls, Lars

Bennings (2):

Copper, Palmer

Copper (1):

Clark

Windows (1):

Norris

Fuchs (1):

Bennings

Palmer (1):

Fuchs

Blair (1):

Windows

With 13 alive, it's 7 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 1 is November 10 at 1:00 AM EDT.

Deadline Timer:

(expired on 2022-11-10 01:00:00)

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[Lars~]

Does it matter?

Yes, answer the question. Overexaggerating your confidence on an early read is one thing, making a specific statement about a reason for a read and being unable to back up or support where that thought came from is another.

Town can make up reads or make up confidence levels, but town don't make up thoughts. It came from somewhere, so tell me where.

[Norris~]

LALALA

[Norris~]

i could explain it, but man do i not feel like it right now... so much hostility towards me just makes me want to <at best troll, at worst afk> plus all my reads are made up yknow?

[MacReady~]

Regardless of your alignment trolling because you were pushed on page 7 is not the best

[Norris~]

Stop treating me like a baby.

I won't be answering a clearly obvious answer.
I won't explain what I don't want to explain.

Either let me troll, or lets talk about something else.

[Lars~]

Norris is responding this way because they know that the answer, which is "clearly obvious", would not be satisfying because there is a clear contradiction in their original statements. Giving an answer only for it to be picked apart further would weaken their position and keep them on the back foot.

Responding by refusing to answer and trolling is a way to attempt to regain the upper hand in a lost situation while also distracting from it, hoping that people will see the defiance as towny and think "well, scum would obviously try to appease and get townread, right?". Call the bluff. There's no reason for town to behave this way.

[Norris~]

LALALA

[Norris~]

Why do I need to "want to get townread" from my defiance? I don't give a fuck if I'm townread or not. No matter what my role is or how hard I actually play I always wind up in POE anyways. Nothing I do will fix that but I don't need to fix that. Not my fault if yall are absolute shit at reading this game.

Stop acting like you got a slamdunk, it isn't a flex to reduce someones will to play like you think it is.

[Lars~]

I asked you in a clear and straightforward way to explain your thought process and your reasoning behind your reads. That's not hostility. If that makes you unwilling to play the game, I don't know what to tell you.

[Childs~]

Stop treating me like a baby.

I won't be answering a clearly obvious answer.
I won't explain what I don't want to explain.

Either let me troll, or lets talk about something else.

LALALA

[Copper~]

I don't currently think Clark is a Thing. I can understand the feeling of annoyance that people took his post the wrong way. Though I don't have anything against a wagon there, as I don't think any of my ideas are going to be >rand right now, and info is info.

Nauls gives me town vibes. Gut tells me that a Thing, if they were planning an entrance to the thread with content, wouldn't have chosen a single post from page 2 to form all their content on.

Garry also feels slightly towny. Explanation purposefully omitted for now.

@Copper, give me your strongest Human and Thing read?

Nauls: Human
Garry: Thing???

I always find it very hard to make scumreads this early unless someone does something outrageously scummy. That second one is very faint and I mostly have townreads and nulls right now.

[Copper~]

Lars also town, as strong as Nauls.

[Copper~]

So is Windows on a re-read of everything.

[Copper~]

OK Norris is scummy, scummier than Garry.
VOTE: Norris

[Bennings~]

Elaborate.

[Bennings~]

Did not really like this post

I don't currently think Clark is a Thing. I can understand the feeling of annoyance that people took his post the wrong way. Though I don't have anything against a wagon there, as I don't think any of my ideas are going to be >rand right now, and info is info.

Nauls gives me town vibes. Gut tells me that a Thing, if they were planning an entrance to the thread with content, wouldn't have chosen a single post from page 2 to form all their content on.

Garry also feels slightly towny. Explanation purposefully omitted for now.

@Copper, give me your strongest Human and Thing read?

You think clark is town, but you are okay with a wagon there because "info is info" does not feel like a genuine thought.

Saying that someone is town because on page 5, the most interesting thing they saw while reading was on Page 2 also does not feel like a real take either.


So after reading it, I opened your iso.

So far you have claimed to have had alignment thoughts on Lars, MacReady, Copper, Windows, Clark, Nauls and Garry. Largely light comments, but all voiced, which made it look more like you are just going through the motions of calling things town or scum, vs have real thoughts on these players.

I don't think the general sentiment of "this could be a townie but wagons are good" (which is what I'm gathering from this thought process) is scummy. I also think being okay with a wagon and being okay with an elim are two different things.

The bolded I actually think is NAI (at least during the early game, playstyle-based type thing), but a good point to keep track of because it'll actually make reading Palmer's alignment pretty easy as the game continues I imagine.

[Bennings~]

Norris/Copper most likely not on a team together.

[petapan]

Replacing Clark.

[Bennings~]

GTH Norris is prob town here based on reaction. Not answering the questions purposefully seems like the harder route to go for scum here than just coming up with some bullshit, I think?

VOTE: Copper

[Bennings~]

Childs' is prob town. Tone is good and the prodding on Clark feels authentic, not really getting an agenda from it.

[Lars~]

GTH Norris is prob town here based on reaction. Not answering the questions purposefully seems like the harder route to go for scum here than just coming up with some bullshit, I think?

I think this reaction is why they did it. Coming up with some bullshit is easier, but it's less likely to get them anywhere because it's unlikely to be believable. See 181. The most important question is not whether this approach is the most likely one for scum to take (it's not, it's unexpected, which is part of why it's good). The question that matters is, why would they do this as town?

and I don't think their emotional trajectory from taunting ("do something about it") to trolling to upset makes sense, so I think it's more likely to be faked.

[Bennings~]

That's funny because I actually think I'm townreading it for the exact same reason, because it doesn't 'make sense' and scum are generally more likely to attempt to do things that 'make sense'... if that makes sense? Maybe overthinking it, but it's happened quite a bit in my experience, hence the gut read.

Though I guess for me the thing that could go against this is the read does have a fabricated feel from the whole "newbposting" thing, because I didn't really get that vibe from Clark, so not answering to elaborate is a shame. I still think overall though I'm getting vibes of an uncooperative townie more than scum, though.

[Bennings~]

I'm also getting opportunistic vibes from Copper which is making me think Norris is more likely town here. Not huge on the (basically) naked vote from Copper there.

[Lars~]

I do agree with that. I think if Norris is town then that vote looks pretty bad. I'm giving it a pass for now because I don't think Norris is town.