Warrior Cats Mafia [Day Three]

[Bell]

Mine, also that response by catboi sucked.

[PenguinPower]

Fair.

But you know you want to.

[PenguinPower]

grrrrrrrrr

[catboi]

so

I actually think 2471

might

be townie

something about the way KT is talking about himself in this post feels genuine to me, the stuff like "At least I'm trying" and "Maybe you're right and I actually am an idiot" feels genuine to me, those feelings of like, selfdoubt etc when it comes in relation to how he's reading the game feels more like it comes from a real town perspective

Like, not really impossible to fake but for a player at KT's experience level it

does

feel authentic

[catboi]

Mine, also that response by catboi sucked.

the meme or the response to alisae

[Bell]

Alisae, dw i think you’re very funny.

[Bell]

Oh goddamnit, now you’re shaking cephrir who i’m sheeping.
Can’t you just pretend you’re confident.

[catboi]

Alisae, dw i think you’re very funny.

sorry but I think trying to tie me to T3 preflip is really fucking disingenuous? Alisae says all this shit about how I'm trying to save T3 and I'm probably teamed with him and then they say they aren't even strongly scumreading T3? That just seems kind of obviously contradictory

[catboi]

Oh goddamnit, now you’re shaking cephrir who i’m sheeping.
Can’t you just pretend you’re confident.

i am a quivering pile of jello

[KittyTacky]

So chances of at least one of them being clean are actually quite good

it's about 72% without accounting for titus

also: i feel like maybe titus' role is scummy? the fact that the hoods don't list occupants means she could have pretended to just be alone and used it to spy

but idk maybe that is overly obvious game design

and i can think of a (deeply, deeply niche) town use for that ability too

Do note that there's a certain amount of mod WIFOM here. I think the stray is just a "pseudo-miller" role, made to look scummy while being town. IMO Titus is town.

[KittyTacky]

VOTE: Kittytacky

Never mind.
Get ‘em.

I'm town.

[KittyTacky]

Well i checked literally one random towngame they had that was recent to verify that and i'm noting that they just said "I'm town" a lot. Like that was their whole post and defense of suspicion on them.

CHERRY PICKING OKAY, AND THAT ISN'T EVEN HOW THEY'RE ACTING THIS GAME.

LIKE IN OTHER WORDS YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU CHECKED ONE TOWN GAME AND THEY RESPONDED TO PRESSURE COMPLETELY DIFFERENTLY FROM HOW THEY ARE HERE.

MEANWHILE YOU HAVE PLAYERS WHO HAVE ACTUALLY PLAYED WITH KT BEFORE AND CHECKING MULTIPLE GAMES OF THEIR'S AND SAYING THAT THEIR PLAY THIS GAME AND HIS SHITTY SELF META DEFENSE DOESN'T RESEMBLE HIS TOWN GAME AT ALL.

Bruh I said my catchphrase plenty of times this game. And my defense that game was more than that. Anyways, guess I'm scummy for putting in more effort into my defense? I explained why my behavior was different: I thought I had opportunistic scum on my wagon as major pushers (though I'm not so sure of that anymore). These town games I townread most people who pushed me. Again I am not a bot, I can adapt to circumstances if I feel it would be more optimal to do so.

[KittyTacky]

and I had this really dumb theory forming in my head that kittytacky told the scum PT "I suck I always get eliminated" and fire just came in assuming kittytacky meant as both alignments when that is not actually true

IMO THE SCUM PT WENT SOMETHING LIKE

KITTY: I AM BAD SCUM SORRY GUYS, JUST BUSS ME D1

DATISI: OK

1. I'm not scum.
2. I don't ask to get bussed as scum.

[KittyTacky]

Check scum PTs of every scum game I was in, never once did I ask to get bussed.

[KittyTacky]

In all seriousness, I think the confidence with which people are calling T3 scum is overblown, I think he is basically =rand right now. I'd still be fine policy yeeting him out of the game if he's going to literally not play it but I also would be entirely unsurprised if he flipped green. Shrug.

Nah I feel coughing up a weird and mostly unexplained list after catching up for so long is scummy and not =rand.

This is a player specific statement FWIW. Like, yes, I think what he's doing is basically awful and completely unhelpful if he's town.

But in my experience T3 basically almost never explains any reads he has as town and when he does his justification is usually "it's just vibes" or something similarly empty. This happens basically no matter how much you prod him. He gets yeeted for it a lot, regardless of his alignment. Somehow this has not motivated him to stp doing this. If it were a completely unknown player I'd agree it's scummy in a vacuum. I'm just saying my expectations for T3 are not very high.

Well he should at least try, as I said it's fine if the list is mostly "it's gut", but it's not like he's physically incapable of trying to give reasons.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

so

I actually think 2471

might

be townie

something about the way KT is talking about himself in this post feels genuine to me, the stuff like "At least I'm trying" and "Maybe you're right and I actually am an idiot" feels genuine to me, those feelings of like, selfdoubt etc when it comes in relation to how he's reading the game feels more like it comes from a real town perspective

Like, not really impossible to fake but for a player at KT's experience level it

does

feel authentic

IT'S ATE, STAY STRONG SOLDIER

[KittyTacky]

Yes because I am an emotionless machine and never feel distraught when personally attacked as town.

[SCRRRDBEAR]

Yes because I am an emotionless machine and never feel distraught when personally attacked as town.

THIS IS SCUM ATE. TOWN DOESN'T ATE THIS WAY, I CAN TELL THE DIFFERENCE.

[Cephrir]

Kinda agree^

[catboi]

I'm going to be honest here I got to the alisae/datisi shitfight and I just flat out do not feel like reading most of it

[catboi]

What was the point of the last 5-ish pages, it's just running in circles.
I'm waiting on Shiro to come back from V/LA, T3 to post some reads.

If we need info we should flip Alisae, she is the eye of the storm of a lot of stuff that happened this game.

Kitty is still scummy, but his posting is consistent which i find harder to do as scum. He also never had a "moment of clarity" so can't call him faking it either.

Anything specific that needs commenting on?

Excuse me? Aren't you voting with alisae right now? What?

And what about kitty's posting is "consistent"? That word doesn't really mean anything to me by itself.

[fireisredsir]

In all seriousness, I think the confidence with which people are calling T3 scum is overblown, I think he is basically =rand right now. I'd still be fine policy yeeting him out of the game if he's going to literally not play it but I also would be entirely unsurprised if he flipped green. Shrug.

Nah I feel coughing up a weird and mostly unexplained list after catching up for so long is scummy and not =rand.

This is a player specific statement FWIW. Like, yes, I think what he's doing is basically awful and completely unhelpful if he's town.

But in my experience T3 basically almost never explains any reads he has as town and when he does his justification is usually "it's just vibes" or something similarly empty. This happens basically no matter how much you prod him. He gets yeeted for it a lot, regardless of his alignment. Somehow this has not motivated him to stp doing this. If it were a completely unknown player I'd agree it's scummy in a vacuum. I'm just saying my expectations for T3 are not very high.

what do you think of dann's point that if kitty and t3 are s/t then its more likely that scum will be bussing than trying to save one of them

i kinda agree with it and that + the fact that kitty is actually like engaging and continuing to post and t3 is not really means imo t3 is the better flip here

[Ydrasse]

Shiro is being replaced.

[Alisae]

UNVOTE:

[catboi]

So chances of at least one of them being clean are actually quite good

it's about 72% without accounting for titus

also: i feel like maybe titus' role is scummy? the fact that the hoods don't list occupants means she could have pretended to just be alone and used it to spy

but idk maybe that is overly obvious game design

and i can think of a (deeply, deeply niche) town use for that ability too

obv this turns out to be incorrect but I like the fact that ceph's mind went there in the first place