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[MathBlade]

VOTE: BGC

For Kitty!

BGC/Johnny also explains the Kitty kill rather thoroughly.

I suspect he’s going to flip more than 1 shot BG.

Which is pretty much a death sentence for you.

Which means your play today isn’t about getting the elim you want.

It’s about getting your last buddy through the elims.

[MathBlade]

The frog kill also is explained if BGC/Johnny is more than one shot.

If scum kill Not Mafia instead of Frogger then they have to contend with me collaborating with BGC with my loyal voyeur combination of Frog checks BGC and discovers he’s unlimited shots.

But if scum kill Frogger that buys Johnny time versus conf guilties.

The entire play imho of the scum team is buying time for survival.

The proper play was for you to bus Johnny hard today. I think you goofed it up Titus.

[Titus]

*sigh*

Why does MariaR start the Pooky wagon? MariaR is the counter to likely scum.


As for Toog being unlikely scum unless with Cape is due to neighbors and overloading. If Toog was scum, Pooky and Toog voted MariaR side by side overloading.

[Titus]

I didn't goof anything up Math. I am and have been fucking right. You are just stubborn.

If you listened and looked at VCA, you'd see a scum Luke. Due all of it.

[MathBlade]

*sigh*

Why does MariaR start the Pooky wagon? MariaR is the counter to likely scum.


As for Toog being unlikely scum unless with Cape is due to neighbors and overloading. If Toog was scum, Pooky and Toog voted MariaR side by side overloading.

As I said to save BGC.

The entire scum narrative looks to be save BGC as long as possible.

That’s word salad for the overloading. I have work I have no idea what you mean by that.

[MathBlade]

I didn't goof anything up Math. I am and have been fucking right. You are just stubborn.

If you listened and looked at VCA, you'd see a scum Luke. Due all of it.

Then let’s get the scum we agree on.

If you’re town that’s surely protown right?

[MathBlade]

That gives me time in peace and quiet to do more VCA right?

I can check my narrative against the facts right?

[MathBlade]

Who knows maybe this is you and Luke and Johnny and some distancing ploy?

I promise to consider everything.

I’d just rather get who is most likely today.

[Titus]

I didn't goof anything up Math. I am and have been fucking right. You are just stubborn.

If you listened and looked at VCA, you'd see a scum Luke. Due all of it.

Then let’s get the scum we agree on.

If you’re town that’s surely protown right?

I agree with that solely because Johnny cannot live to elo with a flubbed claim. I want to get your entire PoE down. Johnny is my least likely scum target. If Johnny is the second townie to mess up his claim, we go into elo with you having exactly backwards reads but for marcistar.

I feel you've concluded I am scum for not playing your way rather than looking at evidence.

[MathBlade]

I didn't goof anything up Math. I am and have been fucking right. You are just stubborn.

If you listened and looked at VCA, you'd see a scum Luke. Due all of it.

Then let’s get the scum we agree on.

If you’re town that’s surely protown right?

I agree with that solely because Johnny cannot live to elo with a flubbed claim. I want to get your entire PoE down. Johnny is my least likely scum target. If Johnny is the second townie to mess up his claim, we go into elo with you having exactly backwards reads but for marcistar.

I feel you've concluded I am scum for not playing your way rather than looking at evidence.

You realize I am actually not working with a PoE right? I have a potential solve but that depends on Johnny flipping exactly as I think he does. Once I have facts then I can eliminate and build that PoE

[Titus]

And if Johnny flips bodyguard scum and Frogsterking was shot for his reads?

[MathBlade]

I have premises that lead to conclusions.

If premises are wrong (see prior post) address where and how they are.

Otherwise my reads don’t change

[MathBlade]

And if Johnny flips bodyguard scum and Frogsterking was shot for his reads?

That’s highly unlikely.

NM was an unlimited shot cop. Let me grab Frogger’s last reads

[Titus]

I have premises that lead to conclusions.

If premises are wrong (see prior post) address where and how they are.

Otherwise my reads don’t change

How did your read change based on marcistar town? It feels like you're going down the same path rather than reviewing. I mean this in more confbias than effort.

[MathBlade]

Spoiler:

vote count 1.7 !

Big Chungus Gaming (4):

KittyTacky, PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo, Frogsterking

Save The Dragons (3):

Gamma Emerald, Charloux, Enchant

Frogsterking (3):

Greeting, Big Chungus Gaming, Save The Dragons

MalcolmTucker (1):

MariaR

Cape90 (1):

SirRhett

Toogeloo (1):

marcistar

Enchant (1):

Cape90

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, Fennec

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-12 15:00:00)

modorator notes

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Furtive
Dragons
Pooky
MariaR

Is disproven by the D1 greeting wagon

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13520704 1.9 (sorry mobile)

That scum team for the most part lurks. A surprise wagon on lurker Greeting would bring a lot of heat and be town driven and Pooky plops on.

Pooky isn’t one to do something without believing it helps him town or scum.

So since Pooky thought switching from BGC to greeting despite it 4 and 4 and both being town in that world.

That doesn’t add up to me.

I'm feeling a Pooky+Dragons+furtive+BCG scum team right about now.

VOTE: furtive

Pooky and BGC scum is likely. That’s where me and Frogger agreed.

Furtive was false.
Dragons is possible.

But not killing Frog leads to BGC guilty via mechanics for voyeur.

So even if you wish to maintain the unlikely world Frogger was killed by reads alone BGC/Johnny is still the play. Even more so.

[MathBlade]

I have premises that lead to conclusions.

If premises are wrong (see prior post) address where and how they are.

Otherwise my reads don’t change

How did your read change based on marcistar town? It feels like you're going down the same path rather than reviewing. I mean this in more confbias than effort.

My read on marcistar changed because I have evidence NM didn’t visit and is town?

Considering Pooky not saved it’s unlikely Marci scum

[Titus]

I have premises that lead to conclusions.

If premises are wrong (see prior post) address where and how they are.

Otherwise my reads don’t change

How did your read change based on marcistar town? It feels like you're going down the same path rather than reviewing. I mean this in more confbias than effort.

My read on marcistar changed because I have evidence NM didn’t visit and is town?

Considering Pooky not saved it’s unlikely Marci scum

Right...but you solve based on wholisitic factors. You had to have wrong premises leading you to that conclusion that I couldn't break you of. What were those wrong premises? Who put them in your ear?

You're talking about reanalyzing but it's not there.

[MathBlade]

I have premises that lead to conclusions.

If premises are wrong (see prior post) address where and how they are.

Otherwise my reads don’t change

How did your read change based on marcistar town? It feels like you're going down the same path rather than reviewing. I mean this in more confbias than effort.

My read on marcistar changed because I have evidence NM didn’t visit and is town?

Considering Pooky not saved it’s unlikely Marci scum

Right...but you solve based on wholisitic factors. You had to have wrong premises leading you to that conclusion that I couldn't break you of. What were those wrong premises? Who put them in your ear?

You're talking about reanalyzing but it's not there.

Correct. I did mess up on D2. As established I was the idiot. I am not scum. I was remembering a time where Covid had my brain fizzled incorrectly. Eliminating my brain is dumb. As a precaution I worked with NM in case my Pooky read was wrong.

On D3, i was working towards establishing how scum break the hold NM and BGC would have on the game. This lead me to the either or of Marci/BGC scum. Based on how the game was going Marci seemed like the better guess combined with her claim being the usual mafia inno (I was thinking Enchant might be a GS there). So I figured it important to pressure and check her, but again added the failsafe.

There’s no nefarious planter here. It’s me planning for one way and failsafing

[MathBlade]

In other words assume BGC town.

If Gamma claimed D1 and said a random player. BGC guards NM. NM gets off a check. 1 conf alignment
N2 Marci docs Gamma. NM gets off another check. 2 conf alignment
N3 NM checks a third person << finally dies. 3 conf alignment

Scum would be attempting to shoot NM all three nights. Voyeurs like me never claim.

You’d be looking at d4 with half the scum team dead with no defense.

Ergo Marci and BGC can’t both be town.

That’s where my head is at.

[Titus]

But the proper approach IMO, is to use the breaking and let scum mess up. Unless you and Enchant are scum together, we confirmed Enchant voyuered and verified your role.

If we would have all targeted Luke, we would have gotten a scum death.

If I hadn't, you would have seen a random investigative and might have concluded that someone was lying scum.

Accepting the advantage we had was the proper play. Either you hate my analysis because it's me or you had people in your ear to save Luke.


Look at Frogsterking's last read post.

[Titus]

Spoiler:

vote count 1.7 !

Big Chungus Gaming (4):

KittyTacky, PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo, Frogsterking

Save The Dragons (3):

Gamma Emerald, Charloux, Enchant

Frogsterking (3):

Greeting, Big Chungus Gaming, Save The Dragons

MalcolmTucker (1):

MariaR

Cape90 (1):

SirRhett

Toogeloo (1):

marcistar

Enchant (1):

Cape90

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, Fennec

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-12 15:00:00)

modorator notes

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Furtive
Dragons
Pooky
MariaR

Is disproven by the D1 greeting wagon

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13520704 1.9 (sorry mobile)

That scum team for the most part lurks. A surprise wagon on lurker Greeting would bring a lot of heat and be town driven and Pooky plops on.

Pooky isn’t one to do something without believing it helps him town or scum.

So since Pooky thought switching from BGC to greeting despite it 4 and 4 and both being town in that world.

That doesn’t add up to me.

I'm feeling a

Pooky+Dragons

+furtive+

BCG

scum team right about now.

VOTE: furtive

The bolded is why Frogsterking was shot. Not mech.

[MathBlade]

But the proper approach IMO, is to use the breaking and let scum mess up. Unless you and Enchant are scum together, we confirmed Enchant voyuered and verified your role.

If we would have all targeted Luke, we would have gotten a scum death.

If I hadn't, you would have seen a random investigative and might have concluded that someone was lying scum.

Accepting the advantage we had was the proper play. Either you hate my analysis because it's me or you had people in your ear to save Luke.


Look at Frogsterking's last read post.

These are words but do not make sense.

I did what I feel the proper approach was.

It seems to have caught Johnny and the more you resist what the whole game asks for you.

[MathBlade]

Spoiler:

vote count 1.7 !

Big Chungus Gaming (4):

KittyTacky, PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo, Frogsterking

Save The Dragons (3):

Gamma Emerald, Charloux, Enchant

Frogsterking (3):

Greeting, Big Chungus Gaming, Save The Dragons

MalcolmTucker (1):

MariaR

Cape90 (1):

SirRhett

Toogeloo (1):

marcistar

Enchant (1):

Cape90

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, Fennec

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-12 15:00:00)

modorator notes

• e

Furtive
Dragons
Pooky
MariaR

Is disproven by the D1 greeting wagon

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13520704 1.9 (sorry mobile)

That scum team for the most part lurks. A surprise wagon on lurker Greeting would bring a lot of heat and be town driven and Pooky plops on.

Pooky isn’t one to do something without believing it helps him town or scum.

So since Pooky thought switching from BGC to greeting despite it 4 and 4 and both being town in that world.

That doesn’t add up to me.

I'm feeling a

Pooky+Dragons

+furtive+

BCG

scum team right about now.

VOTE: furtive

The bolded is why Frogsterking was shot. Not mech.

It’s possible but I doubt it.

It would have been to scum’s advantage to assume me and Frog keep fighting.

The only way to find out is see Johnny’s flip

[MathBlade]

Like literally Enchant just claims.

He said he had a guilty. It’s not a 100% guilty but probable.

There’s no missing invest Titus.

[Titus]

You keep saying the whole game but you're claiming your will is the whole game. It's not.

Johnny's flip tells us precisely nothing. It's a mandatory flip.

If you're not willing to substantively engage until that flip, it is what it is.

I checked scum stopping them from changing the claim.

Frog and I were town core.