Warrior Cats Mafia [Day Three]

[Cephrir]

Kitty being town. I don't think SCRRRDBEAR's read of "Kitty doesn't want to let his scum team mates down" really lines up with my experience of Kitty in Turing Test. I feel that at a certain point scum!Kitty just kind of rolled over. Whereas here it seems like he's fighting tooth and nail. I also don't really think it meshes with the meta of Kitty apparently dying D1 as scum very often. I don't think if Kitty consistently has this level of play as scum, that he is very likely to be the D1 elimination in the average lobby.

Beyond that feeling that Kitty's play here is very different from what I know of his scum game, I generally liked how Kitty handled the 1v1 with Alisae. I think it would be very easy for scum!Kitty to kinda hide behind that conflict and spew AtE. I think generally the way he approached that was with still trying to understand Alisae despite uh, being insulted. And I think the tone he responds with, "I know I'm bad but I'm *trying*" or, "if you're town I'm sorry for being incompetent" are generally pretty towny because I would expect scum!Kitty to feign anger or get a lot more defensive. Kitty seems very open to being wrong and overall kinda demoralized that they are being run up. I would not expect this from a scum!Kitty that knows they don't have a great scum game. I think they would understand why they were being run up and also maybe not really care because it seems like they have a lot more fun as town than scum?

I also agree with mistyx's take (I think it was her) that Kitty taking offense over his read accuracy is +town. It's such a small point that doesn't actually matter but is definitely the type of thing town would get hung up on as being Very Important.

And, this might get a laugh out of a few people, despite saying "I'm town" over and over again, I don't really think Kitty is playing to "look town." Or at the very least, they are doing things beyond just appeasing people. They actually seem to care about their reads and pushing what they believe in. I think they believe they are probably to get limmed but want to try anyway, and based on what I've seen of scum!Kitty, I don't think Kitty puts anywhere near this much effort into that if they believe they are in danger of being limmed.

god damn it

[Dannflor]

I don't think my reasons for town reading alisae are super good but I don't know what the reasons are for scum!Alisae

do I need to read datisi vs. alisae because I skipped that

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Titus

[Dannflor]

sorry

[Dannflor]

Look at bear blatantly fishing me after I said I joined the towniest clan. Lol

T3, fire, pp, bear +1

Titus why do all your reads feel so level 0

[Dannflor]

It's very possible I'm utterly wrong about everything. These are just the gut feelings I've been having watching the thread play out over the last few days and I have nothing better to go off than to listen to them

[fireisredsir]

i vibe with the town kitty points

especially the point that he is fighting not just to stay alive but also to get his own reads across and push the people he thinks is scum

i don't think thats something that's very present in his scumgame generally

[Alisae]

I don't think my reasons for town reading alisae are super good but I don't know what the reasons are for scum!Alisae

do I need to read datisi vs. alisae because I skipped that

My wagons is Val + 2 people is fos + fire + charloux

Fire is the only person I don’t get why they’re voting me and they can explain it whenever ig. In fact I don’t even know where their fos came from.

My impression is charloux just wants to flip me because they think it’s informative.

Datisi is definitely a wolf lol

[PenguinPower]

VOTE: Titus

[Titus]

I am not promoting Kitty or Marashu wagons.

So i'm bad for having an opinion outside the "Meta" comfort, but you are town because you don't?
If this isn't it explain to me why me having a personal opinion is bad.

It's not. Your coherence was bad. People see things differently. I don't scumread you but I think you're being sheeped for being wrong.

[Charloux]

Assuming kitty being scummy is his town play; How would he play as scum then? What sort of stuff should i look for if most of what he does can be interpreted as scummy?

[Titus]

If the wagons are T/T, whoever just tried to start the alisae wagon is probably +town

catboi and fire I think? or catboi and datisi?

While I disagree with the premise, the conclusion is correct.

[Titus]

Look at bear blatantly fishing me after I said I joined the towniest clan. Lol

T3, fire, pp, bear +1

Titus why do all your reads feel so level 0

Level 0?

[Dannflor]

Assuming kitty being scummy is his town play; How would he play as scum then? What sort of stuff should i look for if most of what he does can be interpreted as scummy?

I didn't really say this and I don't think Kitty has been all that scummy this game

[Dannflor]

Look at bear blatantly fishing me after I said I joined the towniest clan. Lol

T3, fire, pp, bear +1

Titus why do all your reads feel so level 0

Level 0?

I just feel like you're basing your reads off the first impression or reason you find

like there's just less analysis than I would expect from you in general

[Ydrasse]

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VOTE: Enchant

[Titus]

Look at bear blatantly fishing me after I said I joined the towniest clan. Lol

T3, fire, pp, bear +1

Titus why do all your reads feel so level 0

Level 0?

I just feel like you're basing your reads off the first impression or reason you find

like there's just less analysis than I would expect from you in general

Fair. This is accurate. I have been drowning in work and illness so I am working off of data and likely strategic play coming from scum. If you call that level 0, it's accurate. Plus, I don't want to be widely TRed yet.

[Charloux]

I am not promoting Kitty or Marashu wagons.

So i'm bad for having an opinion outside the "Meta" comfort, but you are town because you don't?
If this isn't it explain to me why me having a personal opinion is bad.

It's not. Your coherence was bad. People see things differently. I don't scumread you but I think you're being sheeped for being wrong.

Don't really have a counter-argument with that. People can't judge themselves objectively, and i DO think of myself as below-average skill wise.
But that doesn't mean i should just stay quiet tho. I'll give my opinions of things i take note; Even if most are stupid, i'm certain at least some will make sense

[Charloux]

Assuming kitty being scummy is his town play; How would he play as scum then? What sort of stuff should i look for if most of what he does can be interpreted as scummy?

I didn't really say this and I don't think Kitty has been all that scummy this game

From my perspective i can quote a random post of his and see scum motivation. Now, if that is his town play, how do i differentiate between the two; That's what i asked

[Datisi]

enchant buddy can you confirm whether or not you have d1 info on marasho being a bad flip for town

[Charloux]

Oh Enchant, the person with the highest KDA on mafiascum forum. No itchy fingers, deal?

[NorwegianboyEE]

KDA?

[Titus]

I am not promoting Kitty or Marashu wagons.

So i'm bad for having an opinion outside the "Meta" comfort, but you are town because you don't?
If this isn't it explain to me why me having a personal opinion is bad.

It's not. Your coherence was bad. People see things differently. I don't scumread you but I think you're being sheeped for being wrong.

Don't really have a counter-argument with that. People can't judge themselves objectively, and i DO think of myself as below-average skill wise.
But that doesn't mean i should just stay quiet tho. I'll give my opinions of things i take note; Even if most are stupid, i'm certain at least some will make sense

Did I say you should shut up? I know I'm at my weakest D1, which is why I'll sheep any wagon in my suspect pool. All I meant to convey was that fire scum was riding on your wrong, incoherent opinion to help save T3.

I didn't mean to offend or insult or claim I was better than you.

[catboi]

cool I'm out see you