Open 867: PYP: SEFD - Day Three

[Roden]

Like last I remember was that you were really trying to sell your town read on me and how unique it was.

[PenguinPower]

Hey Roden if you was PRESUMING ascetic cop

Who you would target n1

I'll answer this in a bit, I want to give the game state some time to develop first.

How long are you going to wait?

[JohnnyFarrar]

You opened today super bad. If it makes you feel any better you moved up a lil, maybe more if you ever reveal who you investigated

[Porkens]

Scum slip?

[Porkens]

Scum slip?

@1275

[Porkens]

*a question directed at rodan about johnnys post

[Roden]

I checked Penguin, he's a weak spot in my read range and he seemed like he was fairly influential D1. I figured either I'd catch a deep wolf or we would have a strong player conftown'd and around for a couple days. He came back as town.

I considered checking Gamma, but I felt confident in my read there. Checking NSG seemed pointless if she wasn't going to be around and I thought there was a chance she could be Vig'd anyway. Porkens would've been my second choice for a check, but I figured we could make them readable from vote pressure in the end. No one else felt like a notable enough choice for a Cop check at the time.

[Porkens]

I feel deep penguin for real

[Roden]

Scum slip?

Scum slip?

@1275

*a question directed at rodan about johnnys post

Not sure what you mean.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Penguin is a solid check.

I think porkens is asking you if my switching off of townreading you is scum me forgetting all about the initial read

[Roden]

I don't think you'd just forget about your read on me, it was one of your more notable reads and it got brought up more than once. I just didn't know how you went from "this is town" to "shoot this maybe" when we didn't really interact much.

[JunkoChan]

Roden
KittyTacky
Enchant

Gamma Emerald
PenguinPower
Dannflor
Not_Mafia
Yume

JohnnyFarrar
northsidegal
Porkens

I'm sitting on this

ebwop

[Star Power]

Hello everyone! I hope you brought your shades because I'm ready to shine a bright light on this game! B-)

is there an eta on this bright light or

RIGHT now!

(...or I guess gradually over the next hour or so. But you get the idea!)

[Star Power]

First townread of the game:

JunkoChan!

I think their misunderstanding of the setup looks rather genuine and not the way that scum would try to fake a slip like that. People like to WIFOM their way out of that logic sometimes, but scum rarely actually try something like that early because it's just not that effective as a way to get townread, on average. I believe there's credit to the fact that both SCRRRDBEAR and northsidegal held an early townread there as well! So I feel good about having JunkoChan as town from the start.

[Star Power]

i don't really agree it's likely nsg's like first read of the game is a super weak town read on her buddy

This was my first thought in response to Porkens' push on NK15 and NSG. I find it difficult to believe that Porkens actually thinks this is how buddies would interact. Slightly down on Porkens, and up on Dannflor.

[Star Power]

Actually,

Dannflor

can go ahead and be a full townread, complete with a bold tag! I believe the stretch of posts 141-145 demonstrates that Dann is clearly showing, as it turns out, an underlying town thought process. (It's clear that that's something Dann himself valued in making reads, and it's also how NSG seemed to be developing her own early reads. How meta!) There's clear depth to Dann's reads on all of NK15/Porkens/NSG. I believe there's a person behind the Dann account who believes the thoughts he is posting about these slots.

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'll be popping in and out if ya need to chat there light bright

[Star Power]

Based on experience with playing with you in the past. Early aggression isn't outside of your scum range, but I don't see any motivation for you to do it as scum this game. Like if you wanted to emulate your town game, sure, but the aggression itself is NAI, so I think it's natural. And I think when you fake aggression it isn't always believable, so I really don't see what scum!you gains from trying to fake it so early here. It's good enough for me to want to set you aside as town, at least for today.

I don't understand this. I agree with you that the aggression is NAI. It seems like the point you were making here was that Gamma wouldn't fake early aggression here. Why can't the early aggression be genuine and still come from scum?

(I don't have a read on Gamma yet despite him being the early hot topic for exactly this reason, I think the way he handled the early game says basically nothing about his alignment.)

[Star Power]

Oh hello Johnny! I'm afraid it's time for this star to set below the horizon, ready to shine another starry night. But worry not, for I will be back tomorrow!

At the rate I've been reading I expect to be fully caught up in about 24 hours. I hope that's okay - it would be a massive benefit to me to catch up in full instead of skimming.

[KittyTacky]

Cuz kitty is here to defend themselves?

And push Porkens. How is defending myself scummy when I'm not exclusively doing that?

[JohnnyFarrar]

I meant like if I push you, you can pop in and be like "what gives?"


Unlike NSG who's, y'know, gone.

[KittyTacky]

Like I don't think we should townread Porkens just because they claimed vig, scum could have very well picked vig since they took multitasking.

[KittyTacky]

I meant like if I push you, you can pop in and be like "what gives?"


Unlike NSG who's, y'know, gone.

Well now you have someone rather active in NSG's slot.

[Star Power]

mm my heart is saying that Junko entering the game dumb telling to this extent is more town indicative

there is an off chance she thought she could take advantage of her extended absence from the site but this feels... a little too blatant?

maybe I'm reading too much into something that's just NAI

I win entire scum games because of thinking like this. Some of us are just dumb.

See, I understand that you might do that. I don't think JunkoChan is here though.

[Star Power]

JohnnyFarrar's 249 is iconic