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[MariaR]

Enchant Titus Math me town all I need to know anyone else can get voted.

Then join me on Luke.

VOTE: Luke

say less

[MariaR]

Hey Math feel free to join us on the correct wagon or vote Too that's a good one as well.

Not the person who pushed and voted wolves wooo

[Toogeloo]

VOTE: MariaR

I'm dying in this hill.

[Toogeloo]

I looked at Maria's iso, too. The only push on Pooky was a naked vote and then later a fluff post about it.

[MathBlade]

That seems incorrect. Maria and I had a big fight about Pooky scum.

Ironically we were both pushing scum correctly.

[Toogeloo]

That seems incorrect. Maria and I had a big fight about Pooky scum.

Ironically we were both pushing scum correctly.

Yeah, I see it further down the iso, after you were pushing to spare Pooky. Prior to that, there wasn't any case building.

The issue I have is how little presence Maria has had, and they've attacked myself and every one of my town reads outside of Pooky, all of which have flipped town, all while maintaining a near invisible presence in the game.

It smells off.

[MathBlade]

I agree it does.

But your case and point is made better by using correct data points.

[Enchant]

I could't post today, because of insomnia. In bad sense.

For now:
Math/Titus most likely different alignments. Very unlikely both scum, likely one-one evil, very unlikely both town (but i don't really see team in VTs)
Remaining teammate depends on who actually, will look carefully when i sleep

[MariaR]

That seems incorrect. Maria and I had a big fight about Pooky scum.

Ironically we were both pushing scum correctly.

Yeah, I see it further down the iso, after you were pushing to spare Pooky. Prior to that, there wasn't any case building.

The issue I have is how little presence Maria has had, and they've attacked myself and every one of my town reads outside of Pooky, all of which have flipped town, all while maintaining a near invisible presence in the game.

It smells off.

None of what you're saying happened but keep going.

[MariaR]

I could't post today, because of insomnia. In bad sense.

For now:
Math/Titus most likely different alignments. Very unlikely both scum, likely one-one evil, very unlikely both town (but i don't really see team in VTs)
Remaining teammate depends on who actually, will look carefully when i sleep

Talk to me how you're getting TvS on Titus/Math?

[Titus]

I could't post today, because of insomnia. In bad sense.

For now:
Math/Titus most likely different alignments. Very unlikely both scum, likely one-one evil, very unlikely both town (but i don't really see team in VTs)
Remaining teammate depends on who actually, will look carefully when i sleep

Talk to me how you're getting TvS on Titus/Math?

As much as I detest Math's absolute refusal to vote scum or do VCA, he's not likely scum unless his partner is precisely Luke. Math, being the mech guy he is, wouldn't let a partner die, lock himself into a claim, and not immediately push me day 2.

Frogsterking dies over Math/not mafia for his reads. He had perfect reads but for furtiveglance.

[Titus]

That seems incorrect. Maria and I had a big fight about Pooky scum.

Ironically we were both pushing scum correctly.

Yeah, I see it further down the iso, after you were pushing to spare Pooky. Prior to that, there wasn't any case building.

The issue I have is how little presence Maria has had, and they've attacked myself and every one of my town reads outside of Pooky, all of which have flipped town, all while maintaining a near invisible presence in the game.

It smells off.

Math has ensured that anyone not doing what he wants must fight tooth and nail to be heard only to get plugged ears.

[MathBlade]

Disagree with the above

Shitty work day ahead

Wanna see where others vote

[Lukewarm]

Based on setup spec has to be Titus or MariaR plus one of the vanillas. Maybe even both.

I don’t see two shot follower + 1 shot BG against this amount of power.

Why is Maria pulled out of the Vanilla claims to get her spot next to Titus here?

[Lukewarm]

I am leaning pretty hard towards it being Titus, like ever since I got here it seemed like she has been trying to deflect wagons off of Johnny and onto me and johnny was scum.

And her just unflinchingly back at me sure is not doing anything to convince me otherwise.

I think that cape is unlikely to be partnered with titus, so seems likely to be Titus + [Maria/Toog]

[MathBlade]

Based on setup spec has to be Titus or MariaR plus one of the vanillas. Maybe even both.

I don’t see two shot follower + 1 shot BG against this amount of power.

Why is Maria pulled out of the Vanilla claims to get her spot next to Titus here?

Because everyone else on that list was checked vanilla besides her and Toog. I TR Toog.

[Titus]

Math, if every universe you have has me as scum, vote me out. I can't be in elo with you with your refusal to reevaluate and do common sense vca along with looking at Frogsterking's last reads.

Why did Frogsterking die before not_mafia? Only two reasons: one, his reads were accurate and two to frame me.

I am not voting anyone but Luke. If you have me as town, vote Luke.

I don't think I'll be able to persuade you but I'll keep trying until blue in the face.

[Titus]

Spoiler:

vote count 1.7 !

Big Chungus Gaming (4):

KittyTacky, PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo, Frogsterking

Save The Dragons (3):

Gamma Emerald, Charloux, Enchant

Frogsterking (3):

Greeting, Big Chungus Gaming, Save The Dragons

MalcolmTucker (1):

MariaR

Cape90 (1):

SirRhett

Toogeloo (1):

marcistar

Enchant (1):

Cape90

not voting (2):

MalcolmTucker, Fennec

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-12 15:00:00)

modorator notes

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Furtive
Dragons
Pooky
MariaR

Is disproven by the D1 greeting wagon

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13520704 1.9 (sorry mobile)

That scum team for the most part lurks. A surprise wagon on lurker Greeting would bring a lot of heat and be town driven and Pooky plops on.

Pooky isn’t one to do something without believing it helps him town or scum.

So since Pooky thought switching from BGC to greeting despite it 4 and 4 and both being town in that world.

That doesn’t add up to me.

I'm feeling a Pooky+Dragons+furtive+BCG scum team right about now.

VOTE: furtive

Except for furtiveglance, this readwall is 100% right.

[MathBlade]

I am leaning pretty hard towards it being Titus, like ever since I got here it seemed like she has been trying to deflect wagons off of Johnny and onto me and johnny was scum.

And her just unflinchingly back at me sure is not doing anything to convince me otherwise.

I think that cape is unlikely to be partnered with titus, so seems likely to be Titus + [Maria/Toog]

Have you voted her?

[Lukewarm]

I have not voted anyone.

I saw Maria immediately sheep Titus, and then saw Toog split from Titus onto Maria, and I am kind of thinking about which one I think would be the more likely strategy. I intend to look back the two of them as well, but have not had time

[Cape90]

Spoiler:

vote count 1.9 !

Greeting (4):

Frogsterking, Cape90, Titus, PookyTheMagicalBear

Big Chungus Gaming (3):

KittyTacky, Toogeloo, Greeting

MalcolmTucker (2):

Not_Mafia, furtiveglance

Save The Dragons (1):

MariaR

Frogsterking (1):

Save The Dragons

Enchant (1):

Big Chungus Gaming

Toogeloo (1):

marcistar

furtiveglance (1):

Enchant

not voting (1):

MalcolmTucker, Charloux

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-12 15:00:00)

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I think some earlier VC's make Toog look better.

Maria has been acting really strange around titus today and I don't like that so much

[Cape90]

Can we not blow our last miselimination on obvious town that wagoned Pooky?

<3

Enchant Titus Math me town all I need to know anyone else can get voted.

Enchant Titus Math me town all I need to know anyone else can get voted.

Then join me on Luke.

VOTE: Luke

say less

all of this just feels extremely pockety

[Cape90]

For now:
Math/Titus most likely different alignments. Very unlikely both scum, likely one-one evil, very unlikely both town (but i don't really see team in VTs)

im getting more that feel between titus/luke

[Cape90]

Do you think Toog and Frog are both bussing Pooky?

Maybe, I don't see any reason why they wouldn't be. I find it semi unlikely Too/Pooky are together given how similar their play is but meh.
Pooky is a follower claim, if they went over it wouldn't be the end of the world.
What part of my reads don't match my play?

Assume I am “ego posting” instead of my belief I am trying to stop town mistakes

Then scum have no reason to bus because the wagon won’t get to 8. They could sheep me wherever I am.

Yet scum have inexplicably chosen to bus here in your world.

You are literally arguing Toog claims invest and says he will die over Frog.

So if Frog is scum why would Toog claim to defend them like that as scum?

Your reads and play look like a conglomeration of common scumreads versus thought out ones.

Actions speak a lot louder than words. You can claim you'll do X but a lot of time people don't follow through with it. Why do scum bus? Why not? People bus for no reason this site. You're not giving me a reason on why they wouldn't bus here to get cred. They won't expect it to go over or get cred? Like, do you see the issue here.

There's always a reason to bus and no reason isn't a valid argument.

I will say. Scum usually like "trying to be unpredictable" and spreading their votes out

Spoiler:

vote count 1.2 !

Crescent (3):

Frogsterking, PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo

marcistar (1):

marcistar

Cape90 (1):

SirRhett

MariaR (1):

Gamma Emerald

Greeting (1):

Cape90

Nero Cain (1):

MariaR

Toogeloo (1):

Charloux

KittyTacky (1):

Nero Cain

not voting (6):

MalcolmTucker, KittyTacky, Crescent, Save The Dragons, Fennec, Greeting

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-08 15:00:00)

modorator notes

• gamma emerald might end up with limited access during the hurricane

this was awfully early into the game :shrug:

Spoiler:

vote count 1.3 !

Crescent (2):

PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo

Cape90 (2):

SirRhett, Save The Dragons

MariaR (2):

Gamma Emerald, Frogsterking

marcistar (1):

marcistar

Greeting (1):

Cape90

Toogeloo (1):

Charloux

KittyTacky (1):

Nero Cain

Fennec (1):

Greeting

MalcolmTucker (1):

MariaR

not voting (4):

MalcolmTucker, KittyTacky, Crescent, Fennec

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-08 15:00:00)

modorator notes

• replacing crescent.
  
• gamma emerald might end up with limited access during the hurricane

I was a very very minor early counterwagon to a mafia slot, a Titus/Luke containing 1 wolf is supported to me FMPOV from this, makes sense anyways.

worth looking into the swap pooky and Toog did off Maria onto Malcolm day 1 536/600. Minor wagon on me was stagnant as well as minor wagon on BCG which had me + n1 kill . I unfortunately got off this real fast and Pooky and Toog took my place in the vc after this 734.

Spoiler:

vote count 1.10 !

Alisae (5):

Frogsterking, furtiveglance, Titus, PookyTheMagicalBear, Toogeloo

Frogsterking (3):

Save The Dragons, Big Chungus Gaming, MariaR

Big Chungus Gaming (2):

KittyTacky, Alisae

MalcolmTucker (1):

Not_Mafia

Toogeloo (1):

marcistar

furtiveglance (1):

Enchant

not voting (3):

MalcolmTucker, Charloux, Cape90

with 16 alive, it takes 9 to blow someone up. day 1 ends in (expired on 2022-10-12 15:00:00)

modorator notes

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By this time, you can see the scum spreading their votes out in full effect here supporting my claim.

BCG was on STD/Luke on 1300

Spoiler:

vote count 2.3 !

furtiveglance (3):

Enchant, Cape90, marcistar

Save The Dragons (2):

Big Chungus Gaming, Frogsterking

marcistar (2):

furtiveglance, PookyTheMagicalBear

Big Chungus Gaming (2):

Save The Dragons, MathBlade

MalcolmTucker (1):

MariaR

MathBlade (1):

Titus

not voting (3):

Not_Mafia, MalcolmTucker, Toogeloo

with 14 alive, it takes 8 to blow someone up. day 2 starts now and ends in (expired on 2022-10-23 14:51:54)

modorator notes

• prodding mariar & big chungus gaming

BCG voted by Luke/MathBlade, I would say this is pretty obviously not w/w/w so if you had that theory of the game. Get rekt

Look at the bus on 1678 smh

Spoiler:

vote count 2.6 !

PookyTheMagicalBear (5):

MariaR, Frogsterking, Big Chungus Gaming, Toogeloo, Titus

Titus (2):

Save The Dragons, Cape90

Big Chungus Gaming (2):

furtiveglance, PookyTheMagicalBear

furtiveglance (1):

marcistar

Frogsterking (1):

MathBlade

not voting (3):

Not_Mafia, MalcolmTucker, Enchant

with 14 alive, it takes 8 to blow someone up. day 2 ends in (expired on 2022-10-23 14:51:54)

modorator notes

• ba ba ba

We were so close to getting somewhere good here, but then 2375 happened with the furtiveglance push starting (technically marci started it, but it took off after a while) then everything just happened at once with that slot and furtive died.

Spoiler:

vote count 3.3 !

Titus (2):

Not_Mafia, Toogeloo

Save The Dragons (2):

MathBlade, MalcolmTucker

Enchant (1):

Big Chungus Gaming

Toogeloo (1):

MariaR

not voting (5):

Enchant, Save The Dragons, Cape90, Titus, marcistar

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to blow someone up. day 3 ends in (expired on 2022-11-02 20:38:11)

modorator notes

• still replacing save the dragons as well as big chungus gaming

Interesting VC, it probably points to Enchant not being scum. Think about it. First mafia just died to Not_Mafia and this I would say discourages future bussing at the SOD next day. Meh? Well I would say Enchant is probably my second safest bet for just being town anyways this game besides MathBlade (not including self ofc).

Spoiler:

vote count 3.4 !

Lukewarm (2):

MalcolmTucker, Titus

Big Chungus Gaming (2):

Not_Mafia, MariaR

Enchant (1):

Big Chungus Gaming

MariaR (1):

Toogeloo

not voting (5):

Enchant, Lukewarm, marcistar, MathBlade, Cape90

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to blow someone up. day 3 ends in (expired on 2022-11-02 20:38:11)

modorator notes

• still replacing big chungus gaming

Has some interesting wagon movement. Makes Maria look decent off this. MT wanted Luke here.

Maria later swapped right onto MT though.

Spoiler:

vote count 3.6 !

MalcolmTucker (5):

MariaR, Lukewarm, Not_Mafia, Cape90, marcistar

Lukewarm (3):

MalcolmTucker, Titus, Toogeloo

Enchant (1):

JohnnyFarrar

marcistar (1):

MathBlade

not voting (1):

Enchant

with 11 alive, it takes 6 to blow someone up. day 3 ends in (expired on 2022-11-03 20:38:11)

modorator notes

• waba

Lotta things going through my head with this VC. I was running through a Titus/Maria, Luke/Toog world interestingly enough.

Last day's VCs don't tell me anything since the only deviation from Johnny was myself so. (at least when looking through schadd's iso, not sure about very minor instances).

This post just turned into something else.

[Cape90]

To counter Titus' argument today

Can we not blow our last miselimination on obvious town that wagoned Pooky?

I present to everyone

The one not listening is you because the moment I disagreed with one thing you said you voted me and started to plug your ears. You're not getting that you didn't show how Pooky was town you linked a game and then started saying Pooky is not scum on repeat. Sure, I can understand why you don't want a PR wagon because not everyone is going to agree with my theory on how the day should play out, but the fact you're living in a world where "scum want to push a pr nothing more nothing less." you're just not bending or trying to solve you're playing PR sim and pressing start.

This is also the first time you've asked me to unvote or cooperate on anything, I've given my reads so you can answer that instead of having a useless argument yet here we are.

This post by Maria which does look like they could just been pushing Pooky for the cred of it. Worth taking note of Maria very clearly dissecting a meta argument here (I believe Maria was talking to MathBlade) which I feel can be a contentious subject, so tackling someone else's take on meta like this could just be "i know pooky is mafia" and just wanting that cred or whatever. Since the thread was heading in that direction for a decent chunk of day 2. Especially at that point of day 2.