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[Aisa]

I promised a response to this.

Spoiler: Context

So you followed my suggestion to threaten to vote out Eiralox unless he claims. He squirmed and made excuses and left, which is pretty fucking fishy, and…you did the exact thing you said was a bad idea, which is pretend to threaten to kill him. How do you justify that?

Re: pretend to threaten to kill him:
This is one of the things that got lost in the fray and maybe I didn't communicate well, but at the time I voted Eira, I did so completely willing to eliminate them. And then I got spooked and unvoted.

I don't think I threatened to kill Eira after they left?

I am not in a position where I am thinking especially logically. You are within your rights to think this is an excuse or to find this frustrating.

UNVOTE:

Also, unfortunate fact, I have a commitment this evening and need to leave soon. I will make sure not to leave until I've cast a vote. I will also check in before the end of the day to provide a hammer if this is necessary.

And then I got spooked and unvoted.

Why?

Tell me why you aren't willing to risk Eiralox's life when he is being antitown, avoiding committing to a claim, making up excuses, lashing out, and not giving reasons for scumreads despite being all too happy to vote me for FoS'ing him. Tell me why.

And then I got spooked and unvoted.

Why?

Ugh, something about Bella seeming like she kinda wanted Eira to live, but I guess she did say herself she isn't sure what alignment they are.

VOTE: Not Mafia
Maybe Bella can shoot Eira or something.

I need to go. If I am alive tomorrow I will engage Grib, Eira, or whoever is alive that needs to be engaged with. I will make sure to write a proper case. As an exchange for this, I will be much less receptive to people trying to change my mind last-minute if we are in that situation, and reserve the right to not engage at deadline.

Tell me why you aren't willing to risk Eiralox's life when he is being antitown, avoiding committing to a claim, making up excuses, lashing out, and not giving reasons for scumreads despite being all too happy to vote me for FoS'ing him. Tell me why.

I don't care what happens, Aisa needs to answer this next phase. Don't let her skip out on it.

Bella seemed pretty adamant that Eiralox shouldn't die and I thought that trumped other considerations. For example, did it seem like Eira was being antitown in a vacuum? Sure. Was Eira being antitown given Bella's behaviour around that slot? Not so clear. Did Eira lash out at you and me? Yeah and maybe that could have been handled differently somewhere, but that's not really something I usually read scumread.

[Grib]

All of this took place after Bella expressed doubt of his alignment, so that can’t be the only reason.

[Aisa]

2068 is me realising in real time that Bella had expressed doubt of Eira's alignment.

Let's change the topic. Grib, will you vote No Lim today? xx

[Elements]

why do you want a no lim today Aisa?

[Grib]

Ask me again in six days, eight hours, and twenty minutes.

[Aisa]

No slot is mechanically confirmed. I don't feel qualified to assess the setup balance and I haven't seen anyone make an argument I trust yet about the setup. I can't see a reason it would hurt except having "one less town voice" and that's a price I would personally pay for having to "tinfoil" one fewer slot.

I'm not going to rush it, but unless anyone has any counterarguments to no limming I don't think we need to take the full week either. People can address any things they feel strongly about, Frog can leave probable last words and it would be nice to let Titus post a bit before we go to Night again.

This feels hella scummy.

Why do you find it scummy?

[Aisa]

I want to kill Aisa and Enchant. Part of me does want to No Lim to make sure Frog is real, but that's just me being a coward.

Ask me again in six days, eight hours, and twenty minutes.

That's fair enough, but I'm wondering why you're suddenly so bloodthirsty given you were the original pacifist yesterday

Spoiler: Grib founding the Pacifist movement

LET COMPLEX VIG DEAL WITH IT.

THAT'S NOT A BAD IDEA

Roleblocker?

If NM doesn't die to vig shot they're either not a mason or mafia wanted to stop the kill. Either way we lim them.

Ok that actually sounds decent.

Should we no lim then? I don’t want to kill anyone else for the sake of it.

[Elements]

No slot is mechanically confirmed. I don't feel qualified to assess the setup balance and I haven't seen anyone make an argument I trust yet about the setup. I can't see a reason it would hurt except having "one less town voice" and that's a price I would personally pay for having to "tinfoil" one fewer slot.

the "one less town voice" will be Titus

I'm not going to rush it, but unless anyone has any counterarguments to no limming I don't think we need to take the full week either. People can address any things they feel strongly about, Frog can leave probable last words and it would be nice to let Titus post a bit before we go to Night again.

This feels hella scummy.

Why do you find it scummy?

Idk, it felt like you were rushing the game along when I first read it. Feels less scummy on re-reading it.

your tone does seem different now though.

[Aisa]

No slot is mechanically confirmed. I don't feel qualified to assess the setup balance and I haven't seen anyone make an argument I trust yet about the setup. I can't see a reason it would hurt except having "one less town voice" and that's a price I would personally pay for having to "tinfoil" one fewer slot.

the "one less town voice" will be Titus

And that is relevant because?

I'm not going to rush it, but unless anyone has any counterarguments to no limming I don't think we need to take the full week either. People can address any things they feel strongly about, Frog can leave probable last words and it would be nice to let Titus post a bit before we go to Night again.

This feels hella scummy.

Why do you find it scummy?

Idk, it felt like you were rushing the game along when I first read it. Feels less scummy on re-reading it.

your tone does seem different now though.

Yeah maybe I endorsed slightly too excitedy vibes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Grib]

Suddenly? That was four days and a separate phase ago.

[Elements]

No slot is mechanically confirmed. I don't feel qualified to assess the setup balance and I haven't seen anyone make an argument I trust yet about the setup. I can't see a reason it would hurt except having "one less town voice" and that's a price I would personally pay for having to "tinfoil" one fewer slot.

the "one less town voice" will be Titus

And that is relevant because?

Titus is the most conformably town atm? so we wouldn't be losing a "tinfoil" slot

[Grib]

Aisa, do you have a team solve? If not, I'll wait while you do your research.

[Grib]

Or if you want to talk about slots that aren't you or me, we can do that too.

[Elements]

ooo! talk about me!

[Aisa]

Grib, It almost seems like a difference in approach to the game, which I want to say should be more stable reads? At least taking myself as a frame of reference, I feel like I would advocate for no lim in a situation like this as either alignment.

But yes yes it's not an airtight tell, that's ok, we can no lim and talk about it tomorrow

Also yes I see the new messages address them soon

[Elements]

or enchant

[Aisa]

No slot is mechanically confirmed. I don't feel qualified to assess the setup balance and I haven't seen anyone make an argument I trust yet about the setup. I can't see a reason it would hurt except having "one less town voice" and that's a price I would personally pay for having to "tinfoil" one fewer slot.

the "one less town voice" will be Titus

And that is relevant because?

Titus is the most conformably town atm? so we wouldn't be losing a "tinfoil" slot

That is the other thing. Why is she confirmably Town?

[Grib]

I'm not asking you to commit to voting anybody right now or anything. I'm asking you who you believe the last two mafia are, and why. What voting path leads to a town victory, in your opinion?

If you don't know, let's talk about why.

[Aisa]

are we locked in a standoff to see who will cave and give information first?

[Grib]

What are you talking about?

[Aisa]

I think it's you and Elements, so you might see why I might not look favourably upon what I see as attempts to ferret information about Titus out of me <3

I need to check my read on the other three slots, though.

I woudl like to hear more from

aisa

elements. Where did that

rabbit

axolotl run of to

Suddenly relatable

[Grib]

I wasn't talking about Titus at all. Why do you think it's me and Elements?

[Grib]

Actually, I take that back. Forget about me, tell me about Elements.

[Aisa]

Sorry, just realised I still haven't explained that clearly. I was hoping Elements would be forced to explain why Titus was "the most confirmably town" before I said anything. From my perspective somebody had to blink first.

[Grib]

You should probably talk about Enchant too. I don't think you've actually justified a townread on him.