Mini 2284: The Thing Anonymous [Day 2]

[Copper~]

Uh. Even going by that plan, it doesn't even prove that Clark is town, it just guarantees that Childs doesn't die N1. And even that isn't good enough, because if Clark IS scum, she just jumps out of her own slot anyway.

Which also, why in the hell would you claim that openly.

Yeah, I hate this.

How? Scum doesn't have a roleblock. If JK is real then vig won't shoot.

[Copper~]

Am I dumb?

[Copper~]

Honestly I’m not the biggest fan of the votes that have piled onto Norris, but Norris also hasn’t given me any reason to feel any better about them than before.

Yeah I'm getting LHF vibes

Doesn't seem like genuine LHF town and more like scum trolling to look like LHF. Subtle difference.

sure, there is a difference, but you haven't done anything to explain what the difference is, hence why your voting seems kinda fabricated/opportunistic

just saying "this trolling seems scummy" and then voting him doesn't really seem like you're trying to figure out alignment, you're just finding a reason

The difference is that he actively seems to be out to annoy people, rather than floundering like LHF.

see i still don't get this

scum aren't trying to "annoy" people they're trying to get townread OR in this game specifically cause chaos and then assimilate

norris behaving that way just puts a target on him for elim D1. doesn't make sense to me from a scum pov

This line of thinking is why scum can openwolf.

[Copper~]

Am I dumb?

OH RIGHT SCUM CAN NO KILL

[Copper~]

Or swap.

This feels more like a poorly-thought-out town play than a scum gambit?

[Copper~]

Eh nevermind it can work if we can read assimilations like a book but I have doubts...

[MacReady~]

Fuchs is incredibly townie

[MacReady~]

Just a follow up for Childs, who even do you want us to kill over Clark?

(Windows would be my pick)

On a different note: Childs, if Clark is scum, how/when do you propose taking care of the slot?

Is your plan to wait until day2 and identify where he assimilated to and lim the slot tomorrow?

[MacReady~]

I don't particularly believe Clark's claim but I'm kind of scared of that scenario where we enter day 2 down 8v3 down 2 prs.

Yeah, I feel like this too, and that would be a pretty bad scenario for all of this

But, if we don't lim Clarke today, I'm also just concerned about the scum-Clarke universe: when and how would we lim the thing? What would be the threshold for limming them?

[Garry~]

I don't really like the plan of childs.
As said by Mac, novice vig doesn't imply town!Clark.

Yes it does, because Jailkeeper and Vigilante are meant to be paired together.

And, let me drop this bombshell:

WHAT MAKES CLARK LOOK LIKE SCUM TO YOU?

Serious question.

Would it be a lack of content?
Would it be the content being posted being scummy?
Both?
The claim into the above? The above into claim?
All valid, but follow along with me, here, that is important.

Personally, I feel like Clark hasn't contributed much and for similar reasons to my predecessor.
I also feel like jk is a claim that can be faked easily.

[Palmer~]

Palmer, when you get here, I'd like to talk a bit.

I am more-or-less around. What's up?

623 is... interesting.

I'm leaning Copper to be a townie for the 625-629 sequence, oddly enough.

In case anyone is wondering - I find mech arguments boring to engage with, and almost impossible to make reads from. I say almost, because I got a read on Childs. So I don't have much to say currently.

[Garry~]

I think that you might be right.
I'm starting to feel like Copper is improving in my reads.

[Windows~]

@Copper, you were saying you don't scumread Clark before she claimed. Is that still the case now?

[Norris~]

Why are you guys even waitinf for me?

[Windows~]

I think that you might be right.
I'm starting to feel like Copper is improving in my reads.

VOTE: Clark

[Windows~]

Huh. Didn't mean to quote that post

[Lars~]

Palmer, when you get here, I'd like to talk a bit.

I am more-or-less around. What's up?

623 is... interesting.

I'm leaning Copper to be a townie for the 625-629 sequence, oddly enough.

In case anyone is wondering - I find mech arguments boring to engage with, and almost impossible to make reads from. I say almost, because I got a read on Childs. So I don't have much to say currently.

I just don't have a very good feel for where you're at right now and wanted to realtime a bit. I agree with all of your latest posts that Copper leans town, Childs is town, and Clark is scum.

I'm more wondering about your reads on others. Do you still scumread me? What about Windows?

[Lars~]

I think that was E-1, by the way

[Palmer~]

I'm not big on wasting energy on clarifying my own reads to myself when they won't be applicable immediately, and especially not in a game where scum can assimilate. I think Clark is scum, I wanna flip them and work from there. Everyone else is less important to me at the time.

If you want, I can look at your two ISOs again and get back to you.

[Lars~]

I guess that's fair. I'd like that, though, yeah.

I was a little worried that you were intentionally limiting the amount of thoughts that you were putting into the thread. It felt like there was a lack of proactivity from you, given the state of how you scumread me previously, I scumread you, but you haven't really taken any steps to sort me further recently or investigate whether my scumread on you is legitimate or not.

You engaged with Fuchs on his reasoning, had some strong feelings about it, and came to a read as a result of it. I don't think I've really explained much of my reasoning, and it's strange to me that you've just been giving me a pass on that.

There's been other more pressing events, yes, but I think it's still useful in a situation where scum can assimilate to try to have as few lingering questions or doubts as possible when heading into night phase.

[Palmer~]

It either wasn't a priority, or I was waiting to see what you did first. Or both, I don't really remember.

Do you think it's scummy of me to not interact with you? Why do you recon I'm scum for it, instead of town playing suboptimally?

[Lars~]

A little bit, yeah, but the purpose of interacting with you is to try to get a better read on which one it is.

[Palmer~]

261 was most of it? Yeah, I didn't find that anything in that post is actually worth interacting over. I can guess the answers to both why you think I'm pocketing Nauls and why you think my follow on Windows is bad.

"Consistently seems a little off" is an interesting one, I guess; but my experience tells me that it's a very easy read to make up and a very hard read to prove false, because it talks about vague feelings.

[Palmer~]

but I think it's still useful in a situation where scum can assimilate to try to have as few lingering questions or doubts as possible when heading into night phase.

Why is this, by the way? I kind of lean the opposite way, since we'll be re-evaluating most slots tomorrow.

[Lars~]

I agree that wouldn't probably be worth interacting over, from the perspective of trying to make me see you as town. But I would expect that it would be worth interacting over from the perspective of you trying to sort me.