That's too bad, if I could draft pick my dream village you would be one of my top picks. Let me explain:In post 2370, Grib wrote:Village played pretty badly, and I’m exiling myself from playing for another year or maybe forever. gg mafia.
I left the thread because how am I--after delivering the best post-high school/non-livechat scum performance of my life--supposed to respond to this?In post 117, Grib wrote:I meant, what peopel have to say about it when I lay out the reasons. But you're right, I don't think I'm going to get much out of waiting.
The problems I have with that vote are
1) it was waaay too early to accuse Firebringer of not wanting to have reads.
2) it was also too early to accuse scum of not wanting to fill out your survey - barely half the game had posted at that time.
3) you didn't explain why scum would or would not interact with your quiz.
4) I purposefully ignored your quiz to see what you would do about it, and you didn't react at all, which makes me think that 2 was complete bull.
5) you townreading me right after that felt appease-y.
In post 300, Grib wrote:I guess I'll go ahead and answer it that way, because if that isn't it either then I really can't imagine what you actually want from me.
Individually, they aren't slam-dunk scumtells. They're quirks in his play that actively caught my attention and made me think that he wasn't approaching the game as a villager because of how many wires he tripped (for me). 1 is a BS reason to vote someone period (slightly scummy), 2 is him ruining his own alleged gambit (his read probably isn't genine), 3 is making up a reason to scumread someone (same reason as 2), 4 circles back to 2 and makes it even less of a genuine gambit, and 5 is kind of a classical/general scumtell.
I had you as a mark at this point because of your temperament. Your willingness to give me a chance despite my dodgy behavior is a sign that you are high in the Agreeableness superfactor of the 5 factor model, which I use exclusively compared to other "personality tests" like the MBTI or the Enneagram, because the 5 factor model is the only model with quantitative evidence that it'sIn post 301, Grib wrote:Anyway, turns out Frog is probably just a goofball and was acting out an obscure inside joke? I dunno, I buy it for now.
In post 1853, Elements wrote:Despite thinking I'm likely scum you're very happy to follow my vote
In post 1854, Grib wrote:I don’t think you are. PoE just makes it really hard for me to see two mafia elsewhere. What does the game look like if we’re both town? And can you answer Aisa, because I have the same question.
In post 1855, Elements wrote:I don't think Frog is scum
In post 1856, Elements wrote:I'm not enjoying playing with them
In post 1857, Grib wrote::/
In post 1858, Grib wrote:I'm not enjoying this game at all tbh, but that's more because it just feels like no matter how I flip my reads, they're all wrong somehow. I think I was better off not playing mafia.
In post 1859, Grib wrote:But let's explore some worlds? Say you and I are spontaneous ICs. That leaves:
Aisa
Eiralox
Bellaphant
Enchant
NM
Frog
Bella is the Vig. I have serious doubts about Eira, but Bella supports him, and NM also spoke up for him. I'm making a big assumption there but it seems like Eira might be a townfirmable role? I dunno.
Aisa
Enchant
NM
Frog
I'm going to leave this as our scum pool, to be as generous with our options as possible. There are some factors at play (I think Aisa is town, NM could go either way, Frog claimed a town role), but assuming both of us to be town, this is what we have to work with.
In post 1860, Grib wrote:Regardless of both of our alignments, there is guaranteed to be at least one scum in that list, unless the team is exactly Grib/Eira or Elements/Eira, so that seems to be the best place to start.
Your willingness to reach out to Elements and cooperate with them lead to you two forming a solid Towncore together, which FMPOV was the last thing I wanted to see Town doing.In post 1861, Grib wrote:Aisa Enchant
Aisa NM
Aisa Frog
Enchant NM
Enchant Frog
NM Frog
And then these are all possible teams that include neither of us, Bella, or Eira.
So why did Fire die instead of you? You both had my # early in D1. You with your case and Fire with his intuition that something was off.
The four most disagreeable (the reverse/inverse of Agreeableness) players in this game by a landslide were Shea, myself, Fire and Eiralox, roughly in that order. Shea was killed N1 for being a TPR read and that left me, Eiralox and Fire as the players most willing to be a dick (in a tough-minded way) to push our point of view across.
N2, I was anticipating a gamestate where my slot would live or die based on Town's willingness to believe my claim and my own ability to sell it. I didn't want to have to sell my claim to a Town containing Fire who I knew would be willing to be a dick about pushing any inconsistencies in my claim. For example, imagine if Fire had been alive to heckle me during this moment:
In post 1616, Enchant wrote:Why i don't believe you.In post 1611, Frogsterking wrote:In post 938, Thestatusquo wrote:I don't want to touch frog yet either. Not because i town read him, because i don't, but because i feel like town is better off waiting.
Shea saw my crumbs D1 IMO. I thought Shea was crumbing Psychologist D1 which is why I saved him N1. I'm not outting my N2 target because they are TPR I think.
I was already scum frozen by Enchant's catch, it would have been a disaster if Fire were there to fluster me further, as I basically just flailed my way through this moment in the game.In post 1618, Enchant wrote:I mean you not telling target of N2.
Do you acknowledge there's living vigilante and you could just saved mafia target (SO THEY KNOW WHO YOU PROTECTED ALREADY) or Vig target?
Unless Vig have gate or choose not shot (WHICH I DOUBT).
I believe real doctor would understand that.
I really couldn't care less what the dead thread thought or didn't think Town should be doing; that was why they were put in the dead thread, to shut them up.
Anyway, the point being that there were some residual clues left through NKA because it telegraphed a scum team who was planning to peddle some BS very soon, because we sacrificed the potential instability Fire can cause to a Towncore by fighting with them in favor of a Towncore who would be more trusting and less skeptical.
In a different game, where scum weren't anticipating a strategy to hide in the PR claims, I think it would be imperative to kill you (Grib) instead of Fire because of your good reads and instincts to consider other's point of view and pull together a Towncore. That's also why I would prefer to have you on my team if I rolled Town because I think you're the kind of player who is inclined to help others who are sinking to instead swim. In this particular game however (where I was scum sided instead of Townsided), your inclination to approach others in that way happened to be used deliberately against you.