Warrior Cats Mafia [Day Three]

[MathBlade]

Mainly if I am Titus scum why do I pick the wind hood? @Mistyx if you’re here where abouts was that discussion?

to the best of my knowledge, titus has never offered any reason for that decision as town either. i just went looking in her iso for it.

but that hood had a lot going on in it at the time, so i'd be surprised if that weren't the reason as either alignment.

I checked the time stamps and Titus joined before Mastina hammer I think as she was asking about hammers.

What precipitated Titus being pushed D1?

[MathBlade]

I'm a stray. Someone adopt me.

I think Titus is town here. Titus doesn’t usually crumb (although sometimes does) as scum. It’s almost a dead give away she’s town here. A lot of people here have played with Titus before so I am curious why people who know her are scumreading her.

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read the rest of her iso and get back to me

Or I can post things as I see them and post thoughts and see why people think what they do?

If I had to read every iso before posting I wouldn’t get anywhere.

[MathBlade]

Mainly if I am Titus scum why do I pick the wind hood? @Mistyx if you’re here where abouts was that discussion?

to the best of my knowledge, titus has never offered any reason for that decision as town either. i just went looking in her iso for it.

but that hood had a lot going on in it at the time, so i'd be surprised if that weren't the reason as either alignment.

I checked the time stamps and Titus joined before Mastina hammer I think as she was asking about hammers.

What precipitated Titus being pushed D1?

I don’t see Titus being wagoned on a VC anywhere.

So what’s up with this PP/Titus fight?

Why does it feel like a rehash?

[MathBlade]

It shouldn't. PP is 100% scum here.

Okay here’s the first sus lemme see what day that’s on.

[MathBlade]

Eww why no VCs there

Found where I need to read to sort Titus/PP though

Gonna be afk a bit while I do unless someone has questions.

[PenguinPower]

I literally linked in in response to you asking hours ago….

[SCRRRDBEAR]

I'm a stray. Someone adopt me.

I think Titus is town here. Titus doesn’t usually crumb (although sometimes does) as scum. It’s almost a dead give away she’s town here. A lot of people here have played with Titus before so I am curious why people who know her are scumreading her.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

read the rest of her iso and get back to me

Or I can post things as I see them and post thoughts and see why people think what they do?

If I had to read every iso before posting I wouldn’t get anywhere.

MULTIPLE OCCASIONS OF FALSE BRAVADO IN A SPECIFIC WAY THAT FEELS UNLIKE TOWN TITUS. THEY SEEMED TO BE UNINTERESTED IN VCA AND FORMED THEIR EARLY READS LIKE A PLAYER WHO SCUM HUNTS IN A PURELY BEHAVIORAL WAY. THEIR CERTAINTY IN THE T3 FLIP FELT LIKE THEY WERE MILKING IT FOR BUS CRED. THEY ALSO HAVE BEEN UNWILLING TO ELABORATE ON PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING AND BASICALLY OMGUS ANYONE WHO MAKES A SERIOUS ATTEMPT TO PUSH THEM.

I THINK THAT IS A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE ROLE CRUMB, AND MY COUNTER ARGUMENT IS THAT THIS IS A GAME WHERE SHE WOULD BE MORE MOTIVATED TO CRUMB HER ROLE AS SCUM BECAUSE SHE WILL BE JOINING A CLAN LATER AND WILL NOT WANT TO ALARM THEM AND BE POORLY RECIEVED ON THE OUTSET.

[MathBlade]

I literally linked in in response to you asking hours ago….

Yes and so did Fire.

I like to find posts naturally then compare so not biased.

[fireisredsir]

I'm a stray. Someone adopt me.

I think Titus is town here. Titus doesn’t usually crumb (although sometimes does) as scum. It’s almost a dead give away she’s town here. A lot of people here have played with Titus before so I am curious why people who know her are scumreading her.

idk if that applies here considering she obviously did have the power to join a clan, and that was obviously going to resolve itself sometime soon. it's not like she's limiting her future fakeclaims or anything, it's something that she's already locked into regardless of alignment

going out of her way to crumb something that was self-resolving and mod-confirmed seems more performance than anything to me, idk what the point of town crumbing that is

[MathBlade]

I'm a stray. Someone adopt me.

I think Titus is town here. Titus doesn’t usually crumb (although sometimes does) as scum. It’s almost a dead give away she’s town here. A lot of people here have played with Titus before so I am curious why people who know her are scumreading her.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

read the rest of her iso and get back to me

Or I can post things as I see them and post thoughts and see why people think what they do?

If I had to read every iso before posting I wouldn’t get anywhere.

MULTIPLE OCCASIONS OF FALSE BRAVADO IN A SPECIFIC WAY THAT FEELS UNLIKE TOWN TITUS. THEY SEEMED TO BE UNINTERESTED IN VCA AND FORMED THEIR EARLY READS LIKE A PLAYER WHO SCUM HUNTS IN A PURELY BEHAVIORAL WAY. THEIR CERTAINTY IN THE T3 FLIP FELT LIKE THEY WERE MILKING IT FOR BUS CRED. THEY ALSO HAVE BEEN UNWILLING TO ELABORATE ON PRETTY MUCH ANYTHING AND BASICALLY OMGUS ANYONE WHO MAKES A SERIOUS ATTEMPT TO PUSH THEM.

I THINK THAT IS A GOOD POINT ABOUT THE ROLE CRUMB, AND MY COUNTER ARGUMENT IS THAT THIS IS A GAME WHERE SHE WOULD BE MORE MOTIVATED TO CRUMB HER ROLE AS SCUM BECAUSE SHE WILL BE JOINING A CLAN LATER AND WILL NOT WANT TO ALARM THEM AND BE POORLY RECIEVED ON THE OUTSET.

Counterpoint kept in mind. Without knowing her role I find this plausible but undeterminable.

Titus has bravado as any alignment. I find it more sus when she doesn’t.

[MathBlade]

What makes you so sure?

1) He basically lied about his wagon position.
2) When I corrected him, he turned attention to bell.
3) His mastina vote is sheeping the river clan naked.
4) T3 was a lazy no info vote yesterday but now suddenly is worth a naked vote as the wagon creeps up.
5) He shades my attention on him and his behavior as deflection from Bell.

1.)No, I looked at the two votecounts from the mod and was incorrect.
2.)No, I went and counted the votes between the two votecounts from the mod and it showed that YOU were incorrect in your statement that I was the shifting vote. It was Bell, and I called that out to you.
3.)Hi, I'm PP. Welcome to my D1 in all games every. You are aware of this.
4.)Yes, if lazy people continue to not do things it's fine. This isn't D1 anymore.
5.)No, you are ignoring something that factually happened to push elsewhere based on falsities.

I really feel this is TvT or TvS. I think TvT but Penguin scum is possible, but not probable.

Titus is the kind of player to use wagons for support and being incorrect about something verifiable will ping her.
Similarly PP responding arrogantly and not going “oh oops I made a mistake” really loudly and just deflecting is going to irk Titus.

Statement 5 seems like a “not me but you” which is kinda PP as any alignment.

PP just doesn’t feel scum. Yes I know such a verbose argument.

[MathBlade]

Now to look at Fire then PP’s posts to see if anything different strikes me

[Nero Cain]

What are you guys talking about? Titus, as scum, has very much used the "I crumbed my role, look how townie I am!" before.

[MathBlade]

Can someone summarize the Titus = scum case? I asked Titus to summarize the PP= scum case in the wind hood.

i think she's playing similar to how she played as scum in datisis cafe. the way she was pushing people based on a t3 preflip without actually having much of any reason to scumread t3 is similar to how she handled ircher there

specifically her 2037 into 2039 into 2040 is v scummy imo, that's basically the first place she even mentions a suspicion on t3 and she immediately pivots it into a partner read and a vote on norwee. she does vote t3 after that, but still she never really is giving reasons for why t3 is scum, just asking people to join and pushing for partners

related, i think the way she's handled penguin is super weird, i don't think her projected confidence there is really supported by anything she's actually posted, and she's focusing way more just on being confident than on actual reasons for why he's scum. their back and forth into her suddenly saying he is "100% scum here" just feels super faked to me. and she's still pushing there? it feels way more positional than a genuine read, like they got in a 1v1 and so she felt pressured to have to come up with a scumread there

also her 2012 just kinda feels like how she fakes town theorizing vca titus. the conclusions just feel a little hollow and almost random. i don't think the logic really follows to make datisi a good flip off what she said

in general i just think she kinda feels like a shell of her town self, like all the confidence and outward projection is there, but it isn't actually supported underneath that surface level. and i remember getting exactly that impression from her scum game recently so

VOTE: titus

So she’s town Titus?

Scum Titus is understandable and buddying
Town Titus is incomprehensible garbage.

The fact she’s pissed people off is probably town lol

[MathBlade]

What are you guys talking about? Titus, as scum, has very much used the "I crumbed my role, look how townie I am!" before.

As I said it’s not exclusive but more likely town.

She’s made it her entire focus.

I just don’t see her scum here.

She seems completely in her own world which means her reads are likely utter garbage except maybe one

But I think she’s town.

[fireisredsir]

i just played with scum titus and im saying that this looks like that

thats like a big portion of that post

[MathBlade]

i just played with scum titus and im saying that this looks like that

thats like a big portion of that post

Link me?

She’s usually buddy buddy as scum

“Please go miselim this Townie”

I wanna see if her meta changed

[fireisredsir]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=89922

i think its also kinda similar to what i read of her posting in the multiball large, specifically the vibe of having kind of a shell of surface level confidence but without any support backing it up

[SCRRRDBEAR]

I DON'T THINK THIS IS REPRESENTATIVE OF WHY OTHERS SCUMREAD TITUS, THESE ARE JUST PERSONALLY POSTS I NOTICED WHICH I REMEMBER PINGING ME.

I'M NOT GETTING INTO ANY OF HER POSTS SURROUNDING THE T3 SLOT. IF YOU NEED ME TO EXPLAIN WHY I THOUGHT IT LOOKED LIKE SHE WAS BUSSING T3, I CAN GET INTO THAT NEXT IN A SEPARATE POST IF YOU ASK ME TO.

VOTE: Charloux

Don't like the response to my stray claim on multiple levels.

Explain

I don't explain myself to scumreads.

DOESN'T FEEL LIKE TOWN TITUS.

@Bear, I'll focus on getting a read there when I catch up.

ALSO DOESN'T FEEL LIKE TOWN TITUS, SIMILAR TO ABOVE.

SPOILER: THEY NEVER FINISH CATCHING UP.

Why are you saying things to try and get a rise out of me? There is a large chunk I haven't read. That's how I roll when afk for a bit.

ATE

Yes no?

I READ THIS AS MILKING THE THEME FOR TOWN READS. CONSIDERING HOW INVESTED THEY ALLEGEDLY ARE IN THE GAME, THEY AREN'T REALLY DOING MUCH TO TRY AND SOLVE IT.

I want a claim so I can make my move accordingly.

Worst case, we flip a lurker. We need town to work together, which means someone compromise.

SOUNDS LAMIST AND BULLSHIT FROM ANYONE, NON TITUS-SPECIFIC, CLASSIC SCUMTELL.

I might bake cookies.

UNVOTE: Marashu

SEEMS IRREVERENT AND DERPY IN A WAY WHICH DOESN'T FEEL LIKE TOWN TITUS.

I am not a beacon of obvtown, but do not consider giving me warrior powers until I say I'm eligible. This is not a fakeout.

PINGED ME HARD AS SOUNDING LAMIST.

[Cephrir]

Similarly PP responding arrogantly and not going “oh oops I made a mistake” really loudly and just deflecting is going to irk Titus.

they both did this.

[MathBlade]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=89922

i think its also kinda similar to what i read of her posting in the multiball large, specifically the vibe of having kind of a shell of surface level confidence but without any support backing it up

I kinda see this on a quick skim but I don’t.

I guess the big question for those who have read the thread is has Titus been overall consistent?

Not the finer points but load broadly.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p13507860

In the scum game you linked she hates slips then argues something might be one. That’s a “broad” inconsistency.

Has she done any “broad” inconsistencies?

[MathBlade]

I DON'T THINK THIS IS REPRESENTATIVE OF WHY OTHERS SCUMREAD TITUS, THESE ARE JUST PERSONALLY POSTS I NOTICED WHICH I REMEMBER PINGING ME.

I'M NOT GETTING INTO ANY OF HER POSTS SURROUNDING THE T3 SLOT. IF YOU NEED ME TO EXPLAIN WHY I THOUGHT IT LOOKED LIKE SHE WAS BUSSING T3, I CAN GET INTO THAT NEXT IN A SEPARATE POST IF YOU ASK ME TO.

VOTE: Charloux

Don't like the response to my stray claim on multiple levels.

Explain

I don't explain myself to scumreads.

DOESN'T FEEL LIKE TOWN TITUS.

@Bear, I'll focus on getting a read there when I catch up.

ALSO DOESN'T FEEL LIKE TOWN TITUS, SIMILAR TO ABOVE.

SPOILER: THEY NEVER FINISH CATCHING UP.

Why are you saying things to try and get a rise out of me? There is a large chunk I haven't read. That's how I roll when afk for a bit.

ATE

Yes no?

I READ THIS AS MILKING THE THEME FOR TOWN READS. CONSIDERING HOW INVESTED THEY ALLEGEDLY ARE IN THE GAME, THEY AREN'T REALLY DOING MUCH TO TRY AND SOLVE IT.

I want a claim so I can make my move accordingly.

Worst case, we flip a lurker. We need town to work together, which means someone compromise.

SOUNDS LAMIST AND BULLSHIT FROM ANYONE, NON TITUS-SPECIFIC, CLASSIC SCUMTELL.

I might bake cookies.

UNVOTE: Marashu

SEEMS IRREVERENT AND DERPY IN A WAY WHICH DOESN'T FEEL LIKE TOWN TITUS.

I am not a beacon of obvtown, but do not consider giving me warrior powers until I say I'm eligible. This is not a fakeout.

PINGED ME HARD AS SOUNDING LAMIST.

Please get into it. Baking cookies is a reference to her using her PR or crumbing.

I wish Shiro was still in the game. I’d ask him.

[PenguinPower]

What makes you so sure?

1) He basically lied about his wagon position.
2) When I corrected him, he turned attention to bell.
3) His mastina vote is sheeping the river clan naked.
4) T3 was a lazy no info vote yesterday but now suddenly is worth a naked vote as the wagon creeps up.
5) He shades my attention on him and his behavior as deflection from Bell.

1.)No, I looked at the two votecounts from the mod and was incorrect.
2.)No, I went and counted the votes between the two votecounts from the mod and it showed that YOU were incorrect in your statement that I was the shifting vote. It was Bell, and I called that out to you.
3.)Hi, I'm PP. Welcome to my D1 in all games every. You are aware of this.
4.)Yes, if lazy people continue to not do things it's fine. This isn't D1 anymore.
5.)No, you are ignoring something that factually happened to push elsewhere based on falsities.

I really feel this is TvT or TvS. I think TvT but Penguin scum is possible, but not probable.

Titus is the kind of player to use wagons for support and being incorrect about something verifiable will ping her.
Similarly PP responding arrogantly and not going “oh oops I made a mistake” really loudly and just deflecting is going to irk Titus.

Statement 5 seems like a “not me but you” which is kinda PP as any alignment.

PP just doesn’t feel scum. Yes I know such a verbose argument.

I did say I made a mistake on how many votes T3 had. Hell, I posted the entire vote count chain to show it.

You know what Titus didn’t do? Say she fucked up by saying I moved off at even wagons and that was Bell.

[MathBlade]

What makes you so sure?

1) He basically lied about his wagon position.
2) When I corrected him, he turned attention to bell.
3) His mastina vote is sheeping the river clan naked.
4) T3 was a lazy no info vote yesterday but now suddenly is worth a naked vote as the wagon creeps up.
5) He shades my attention on him and his behavior as deflection from Bell.

1.)No, I looked at the two votecounts from the mod and was incorrect.
2.)No, I went and counted the votes between the two votecounts from the mod and it showed that YOU were incorrect in your statement that I was the shifting vote. It was Bell, and I called that out to you.
3.)Hi, I'm PP. Welcome to my D1 in all games every. You are aware of this.
4.)Yes, if lazy people continue to not do things it's fine. This isn't D1 anymore.
5.)No, you are ignoring something that factually happened to push elsewhere based on falsities.

I really feel this is TvT or TvS. I think TvT but Penguin scum is possible, but not probable.

Titus is the kind of player to use wagons for support and being incorrect about something verifiable will ping her.
Similarly PP responding arrogantly and not going “oh oops I made a mistake” really loudly and just deflecting is going to irk Titus.

Statement 5 seems like a “not me but you” which is kinda PP as any alignment.

PP just doesn’t feel scum. Yes I know such a verbose argument.

I did say I made a mistake on how many votes T3 had. Hell, I posted the entire vote count chain to show it.

You know what Titus didn’t do? Say she fucked up by saying I moved off at even wagons and that was Bell.

But see that’s never enough for Titus

Unless you grovel and go “Omg your highness I messed up I am so sorry” she will eternally scumread you.

[PenguinPower]

No no no. She doubled down, refused to acknowledge, used a pithy statement, and said it still made me scum.

That’s scum. Plain and simple.