Cosmos Mafia (Dawn 1)

[Scarfmanship]

Also friendly reminder that the feeling that everyone will go MMR is largely a product of mastina and PPF drowning out the thread and manipulating sentiment in their favor.

This is the second time I have called this out. If you ignore the noise and count the votes individually, there are more than enough votes to get rid of PPF today.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

In the meantime, I'd like to hear from anyone who thinks there's a logical explanation for MMR to have botched their claim as badly as they have as scum. Their play seems actively self-destructive as a scum play and I would love to hear reasons that's not the case.

Botching a claim isn't necessarily alignment indicative. Town players can mess that up. I don't think the botch is even the important part here. This slot has a mechanically guilty on another slot and doesn't want to push it and has actively tried to avoid talking about it for like a week. Talking to you is the first time MMR has given any sort of sustained information about the claim.

Rubella seemed to genuinely not recognise that what they had was a proper guilty though. When I explained the situation the way I saw it, the response I got looked genuinely like they'd never considered the fact that what they had was probably a hard guilty. It was a complete change of direction.

The things Rubella is doing arent the things scum do when they're trying to get people to townread them or otherwise believe them. I believe Rubella's thought process is genuine.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

I've been lightly skimming, and this seems to be the right play simply because MMR's claim actively conflicts with both mastina and PPF?

It doesn't.
It only conflicts with mastina.
-Rubella

You're Loyal and your action didn't work on PPF

What reasonable explanation do you think makes PPF potentially not scum?

We could've been blocked or PPF could be Ascetic Town.
-Rubella

PPF has already claimed not ascetic unless I'm misremembering
You're not a sensible roleblock target when there are already powerful claimed PRs, and even if you were, that explanation should be much less likely than 'the Loyal part of my role worked as intended'

PPF has already claimed not ascetic unless I'm misremembering
You're not a sensible roleblock target when there are already powerful claimed PRs, and even if you were, that explanation should be much less likely than 'the Loyal part of my role worked as intended'

I see.
The TR on PPF was only testing reactions.
I thought that it was obvious that I wouldn't TR a slot just from their response.
-Rubella

And I don't TR them anymore.
-Rubella

DDS, what is your read on Toog?
Something about them voting Math and then instantly unvoting when asked if it was serious, feels somewhat off.
-Rubella

When I read this exchange and try to put myself in Rubella shoes, I see someone changing their mind on something. I can't see this as a scum intentional pivot. It just wouldn't be effective enough under normal circumstances.

[MathBlade]

Then in that case @DDS we get guilties on Mastina (admittedly soft) and PPF so like???

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

I'm not here to discuss claims. What else would people like from our slot?
~Mumps

Considering the level to which your slots claim has causes trouble in this game, I'm not satisfied with this.

Please clearly full claim. I'm happy to discuss things afterwards.

[Toogeloo]

DDS, what is your read on Toog?
Something about them voting Math and then instantly unvoting when asked if it was serious, feels somewhat off.
-Rubella

It was a joke in response to T-Bone

VOTE: PPF

I think the mastina voters should move here.

[T-Bone]

I've been lightly skimming, and this seems to be the right play simply because MMR's claim actively conflicts with both mastina and PPF?

It doesn't.
It only conflicts with mastina.
-Rubella

You're Loyal and your action didn't work on PPF

What reasonable explanation do you think makes PPF potentially not scum?

We could've been blocked or PPF could be Ascetic Town.
-Rubella

PPF has already claimed not ascetic unless I'm misremembering
You're not a sensible roleblock target when there are already powerful claimed PRs, and even if you were, that explanation should be much less likely than 'the Loyal part of my role worked as intended'

PPF has already claimed not ascetic unless I'm misremembering
You're not a sensible roleblock target when there are already powerful claimed PRs, and even if you were, that explanation should be much less likely than 'the Loyal part of my role worked as intended'

I see.
The TR on PPF was only testing reactions.
I thought that it was obvious that I wouldn't TR a slot just from their response.
-Rubella

And I don't TR them anymore.
-Rubella

DDS, what is your read on Toog?
Something about them voting Math and then instantly unvoting when asked if it was serious, feels somewhat off.
-Rubella

When I read this exchange and try to put myself in Rubella shoes, I see someone changing their mind on something. I can't see this as a scum intentional pivot. It just wouldn't be effective enough under normal circumstances.

This is the behavior that is pinging me. It's like there is regret that the claim was made and slot would prefer not to talk about it and that we not talk about it.

I'm not here to discuss claims. What else would people like from our slot?
~Mumps

Considering the level to which your slots claim has causes trouble in this game, I'm not satisfied with this.

Please clearly full claim. I'm happy to discuss things afterwards.

Like here is this exact thing from a different member of the hydra.

[T-Bone]

DDS, what is your read on Toog?
Something about them voting Math and then instantly unvoting when asked if it was serious, feels somewhat off.
-Rubella

It was a joke in response to T-Bone

VOTE: PPF

I think the mastina voters should move here.

Can confirm since the previous post was literally me saying Speedrun Mathblade lim

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

I am here with some thoughts.

Firstly, furtive said a few pages back that elimming mastina both sorts out a ton of 'conflicting' claim info (like, we did this dance with mastina and math last phase) And tones down the thread. I hate that I agree.

Someone else (scarf? I tr scarf ) said that a lot of the pressure to MMR and against a pff vote is coming because certain people are the loudest of the thread. Hard agree too.

I don't tr the PPF slot, I basically never have. I find mastinas explanation of the four reasons MMR could be fake claiming to be incredibly weak.

We have a sneaking suspicion that rh9 has been abandoned by his hdyea mates with a claim that he didn't understand, and they've popped up now because they can't work out why they are about to be miselimed over a guilty!

I don't find mastinas wording about her claim massively convincing anyway. I do think the game is pr heavy with much traffic.

B

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Oh wow I cannot believe 'MMR!scum felt desperate' is a real thing someone said on day 2 what???

Thanks, DDS for doing God's work.

Happy to help you

[MathBlade]

I am here with some thoughts.

Firstly, furtive said a few pages back that elimming mastina both sorts out a ton of 'conflicting' claim info (like, we did this dance with mastina and math last phase) And tones down the thread. I hate that I agree.

Someone else (scarf? I tr scarf ) said that a lot of the pressure to MMR and against a pff vote is coming because certain people are the loudest of the thread. Hard agree too.

I don't tr the PPF slot, I basically never have. I find mastinas explanation of the four reasons MMR could be fake claiming to be incredibly weak.

We have a sneaking suspicion that rh9 has been abandoned by his hdyea mates with a claim that he didn't understand, and they've popped up now because they can't work out why they are about to be miselimed over a guilty!

I don't find mastinas wording about her claim massively convincing anyway. I do think the game is pr heavy with much traffic.

B

The way I figure is there’s two options:
MMR is town. Informed an Astrologer exists and is likely scum. Implies Mastina scum. Likely guilty on PPF. Majority of players want MMR elim.

MMR is scum. They done goofed.

Neither option is likely given both require absurdities yet one has to be.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Then in that case @DDS we get guilties on Mastina (admittedly soft) and PPF so like???

I'm not really sure what this post is trying to express to me

Try rephrasing?

[MathBlade]

Then in that case @DDS we get guilties on Mastina (admittedly soft) and PPF so like???

I'm not really sure what this post is trying to express to me

Try rephrasing?

If MMR is town then
They are informed an astrologer is likely evil. Mastina is claimed astrologer, soft guilty.
They claimed no result on PPF. Because of loyal modifier this is another implied guilty.

Ergo two likely scum if MMR is town.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Like here is this exact thing from a different member of the hydra.

Fwiw these were both me, Klick

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

MMR is town. Informed an Astrologer exists and is likely scum.

MMR has backpedaled on this part of their claim.

[MathBlade]

MMR is town. Informed an Astrologer exists and is likely scum.

MMR has backpedaled on this part of their claim.

No they haven’t? I don’t think?

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

MMR is town. Informed an Astrologer exists and is likely scum.

MMR has backpedaled on this part of their claim.

No they haven’t? I don’t think?

Why you didn't say you was informed

I made up the Informed part based off information inferred in our role PM.
I thought that claiming Informed would make people pay more attention to it and think about it if we got flipped.
-Rubella

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

This is why I want them to be clear though

[MathBlade]

They need to die. There’s too much back and forth of what is and isn’t their claim.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Why you didn't say you was informed

Because we're not. I gave the ok to do a reaction test but I had no idea what the reaction test was actually going to be. I cannot reiterate enough that I don't understand what the fuck happened here.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

They need to die. There’s too much back and forth of what is and isn’t their claim.

Whether they are actually town or scum is important though

It's understandable to just be of the position of 'they've played it badly enough that they should just get elimmed' but their actual alignment has consequences that could be game-deciding

I think there are signs that this could be a town slot.

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

Like here is this exact thing from a different member of the hydra.

Fwiw these were both me, Klick

I think t bone was talking about the different members of MMR, such as in his quote, and the claim 'oddnss'

B x

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

This is the behavior that is pinging me. It's like there is regret that the claim was made and slot would prefer not to talk about it and that we not talk about it.

I'm not here to discuss claims. What else would people like from our slot?
~Mumps

Considering the level to which your slots claim has causes trouble in this game, I'm not satisfied with this.

Please clearly full claim. I'm happy to discuss things afterwards.

Like here is this exact thing from a different member of the hydra.

Ohhhh I see what you mean
You're saying there's a consistent interest from multiple MMR heads to not discuss their claim

I can see why that'd be convenient to do as scum but I can also see them not wanting to discuss it as town

(I do really still want them to be clear though and my interest in diving deeper into their alignment diminishes quite a bit if they're not willing to do that)

[unwnd]

This game is such an eyesore to come back to

I had fun shitposting in earnest about mastina, but it seems like that strategy wasn't too effective in the long-run

[Dingle Dangle Scarecrow]

VOTE: ppf