Newbie 680: In this town of Cookieland... Over!

[popsofctown]

as i have already said almost 100 times. You (moratorium) are in a big hurry to lynch someone.. First it was ERIC, now me. Don't you think that you're acting a little bit scummy? I don't know, just me wondering..

This is my number one suspicion of Moratorium, but it doesn't stick hard enough on its own.


When i pointed out Moratorium's idea worked, i was representing my frustration on how the plan doesn't look good on paper to you when there's action-sized form of it now.


New question: You've explained how (you think) Moratorium's investigation choice is an unwise decision for a cop to make. This isn't suspicious until you've proven that it is a wise (or wiser) decision to claim to have investigated. So, how does his investigation choice fit a fake cop's plan?

[guy0]

I'll propose a possible answer.

So lets say moratorium was faking it, his options for investigation are either someone who was a threat to him, or someone who he could pull off the lynch on. Perhaps he would have thought this, pops has received some heat from day 1, so i'll fake cop claim on barros, who also had some suspicious behavior, and, therefore, would have been believable. Then after barros gets lynched, moratorium goes, and then his scum buddy tries to get pops lynched, which gives a win for the mafia.

These are all just hypothetical situations, if we come up with more, they would be more believable, but this one alone doesn't mean much at the moment, but it is plausible, and does make some sense.

[Mana_Ku]

Although STD hasn't said it yet, I'm replacing someone. If I'm correct CN, but he hasn't said the name right in his post . But as far as I know CN is the only one who needs to be replaced, right?

Like I said, I'm replacing somebody. Some warnings:
-No insults about my avatar. Ether made it for me. If you want one as well, go to Ether avatars and post. Enjoy it. (Does this count as spam ?)
-I promise sometimes to post the next morning, but due to school this can sometimes take more days. I try to keep my promise, but I can't promise that I will keep me to this promise .
-I'm not a native English speaker. If one of my posts is strange written and you guys don't understand it due to my crappy written English, just say so and I'll try to write it more clearly.

I'll read this game ASAP. It can be that you guys will see me post in some other games as well. That doesn't mean that I'm not reading this game. When I'm reading I usually have 3/4 screens of mafiascum.net open. That would mean that I'm using one to read this game, the second to write down my comments, while I'm using the last/other two for other games.

Well, you'll hear my thoughts soon.

STD, in your PM you wrote that I could already post in this game. If that wasn't the case, then I'm sorry. Could you also say who I replace

[DanGR]

Pops is V/LA until Sunday or Monday

[Capricious]

Hi, I'm alive. Been too busy/semi-forgot about ms. *Checks* Wow, last post October 25. Should be active now.

It upsets me that Barros has not died.

[guy0]

I think most people are just waiting for the replacement to state his/her opinions before they make their final decision (ie me, pops). Once the replacement has spoken, we can get down to the nitty gritty, and pops can stop cupcaking people

[popsofctown]

guy0, I don't think you want to make fun of the cupcakes. Don't make me issue you a bear claw. You don't even want to know what those are like.

[guy0]

i'm confused, and i wasn't making fun of the cupcakes, and i don't have any idea how bear claw relates to cookies and muffins. Pops, don't you just love these useless posts we're making?

[popsofctown]

Almost as much as Moratorium hates them

[Save The Dragons]

I apologize. Mana_Ku replaces Chuck Norris

[popsofctown]

so, can you prod Mana_Ku?

[popsofctown]

like... for real... prod/replace mana_ku? The whole freaking world waits on Mana_Ku.

[jerseygoomba]

good grief...man, we cant catch a break.

[popsofctown]

The mod hasn't posted in four days... how frequently are mods generally expected to check their games?

[Mana_Ku]

He has prodded me, but I was busy in RL and I was sick a couple of days. I'll give my thoughts tomorrow as I'm still busy for today.

[popsofctown]

Ok... i'm pretty irate by now, i've been waiting over 3 weeks for the replacement's say so i can vote.

[jerseygoomba]

Not for nothing, but its been so long since I voted, I may have to go back and reread the thread to see my reasoning. I'm at the point that I may just change my vote to Mana_Ku to get the game moving a bit. Jeez this is frustrating.

[Mana_Ku]

This commentary starts with day 2. If you all want to know who I found most scummiest day 1, the answer is Pops. But one of the claimed cops says Pops is innocent so I will leave my comments about Pops for some other time aka when we know which of the cops is lying.

First of all, can the YE voters of day 1 tell me why they voted YE.

I was considering YE to be scum

Why?

I am inclined to believe both scum were on YE's wagon

That's easy for you to say as you weren't on it.

I feel pops is town

Gut? If so, any quotes of which you get this feeling?

I got back home just at the beginning of night 1. I was pretty unhappy to see that moratorium had dropped the hammer. I totally didn't feel it was time to hammer yet. If i was here when Eric had dropped into L-1, i would have withdrawn my vote, but i didn't get back so i couldn't.

Don't like this. Of course, he could mean it, but he could also try to win some townie points with this.

Voting for someone you don't think is most suspicious

This happens quite often actually.

Moratorium, can you explain me why you chose Barros, instead of Pops as Pops was one of your number two suspects day 1.

I believe Moratorium fully, who do you think is the other scum?

Don't like this as Cap voted Moratorium immediatly at the start of day 2.

Well, the prime suspect right now would be guy0.

Or we could look into you . But tell me why you think that both scum were on the wagon of YE?

I don't fully buy his claim. But based off the numbers, I don't think it really matters if we buy or not.

It doesn't ?!
Wrong lynch gives us 2 scum no cop.
Good lynch gives us 1 scum and 1 cop.
Why does it not matter to you?

What if vote around at the remaining players for scum?

I like this idea. We lynch you and with that we can perhaps clear Barros

Whoever the doctor is, make sure you protect Moratorium tonight if he is not lynched. It doesn't matter if he might be lying, protect him.

Any reason that you don't think about the chance that there's no doc?

I'm not going to answer this question today, it gives scum too much information.

But it also gives NO information to the town. Even if you don't tell us, you'll hurt us.

But then Barros asks "Why so nervous?".

He never did!

I think he was projecting, espionage and deception was on his mind because he is scum.

Sure. *Note my sarcastic look on my face right now*

I didn't want to point this out for a while because it's Freudian, reachy, and we haven't been on the topic off Barros much, but i figured now was as good a time as any to point that out.

You thought he was scummy, but you didn't want to point it out until someone else gives a comment about Barros being scummy. Don't like this. I think it's called 'joining the crowd'.

This suspicious bit form Barros is part of why I am leaning towards Moratorium being clean.

Okay *Note my surprised expression*

I have a bit of concern about guy0,...

Yes, he scumhunts. Oh wait, didn't Cap just said something about Guy0 being scummy?
Many players do such thing. But you could have asked him about it, instead of making it an attack immediatly.

I'd say that sounds pretty legit, considering Moratorium is going to investigate his pick for next scum.

If there's a roleblocker, do you think the roleblocker won't pick the claimed cop?

If scum claims cop

Why did you only mention scum as claimer, while Moratorium could have lied about his claim?

Based on his post history, I do really think he'd be a good lynch.

Was this based due to the insect dialogue or other posts as well?

However, if we lynch him, we don't "get all the information we need". We get all the information we need to get to a 2 town 1 scum final day. That could be tough, especially since this fake claim would only be made if you had a pretty clean scum partner..... of course, i could use that expectation to find the final scum anyway. I'm leaning towards a Barros lynch more and more.

Can you rephrase this? I don't understand one bit of it

Moratorium, after Barros claimed he immediatly voted you. Why didn't you vote him in your first post of day 2, while 'your result' said he is scum?

Many thanks for your input, Barros, you may curl up and die now.

Unvote, Revote Barros

No thoughts about him actually being the cop. Why is that?

ANY DOCTOR should protect Moratorium if Barros flips roleblocker.
ANY DOCTOR should protect whoever they think is a good target if Barros flips goon.

Any reason why there's no part of: 'ANY DOC should protect ... if Moratorium flips...'?

The way he claimed didn't sound totally clean, and a counter cop claim is infinitely suspicious.

You know, explanations aren't forbidden .

But, I'm inclined to believe him because i know the investigation he gave is right

I'm sure that if he is scum and you're not, he would also know you're townie.
Besides, scum would also say that they're townie.

might be part of Moratorium's "master plan".

And saying this could be part of Pops's 'master plan'.

If i was chosen as a scapegoat, i would probably have defended myself better.

We'll probably never know.

We could always call a mass claim to decide what setup we're in.

Right. I'm sure the doc will call himself out and I'm positive that the roleblocker will also get out of his shell What's the use of this?

I think Barros might even be vanilla townie.

If he is, he should have had no reason to lie about his cop claim.

who were precisely who I was waiting for

Why did you want to wait?

Also I just saw this in Guy0's post:

I dont beg the doc to protect me.

Are you that certain about a doc being in this game?

I'd given Barros an FoS, I'd have backed you up.

Based on what would you have FoSed Barros?

I must say, post 193 is ... great.
I didn't like Cap's reactions towards the cop claims, but he's right. Moratorium as scum wouldn't have a good reason to claim right now as many players were already suspecting Barros. And 'sane' isn't mentioned.

So if that was a trap of Moratorium, it was a good one.

Post 195, is bad.
Especially the part about bullcharging Barros to gain townie points. Especially as I see you and Barros as scum duo.

Barros flipped guilty, not scum. In Barros' counterclaim, he specified that pops flipped "not scum", which is not what the cop role reveals.

I haven't been cop yet (well one time. But that was in a game of Tar, so it doesn't count) so i don't know which answer you get. Sorry for not being able to help you in this case.

Ok, all i got to say is: I really don't know what to do more, or you kill moratorium or you kill me, but, in the end, both will end up lynched...

We just got to wait that the one who is killed is scum.

Well, uhm, if you talk you can show us if you're a townie or not. And if you're a townie you would want us to see that you're a townie so that not both of you get lynched, but only the scum.
So, uhm, you know that you're hurting the town by not posting, right?

Prum prum, by the by, if Barros did actually come up cop, somehow, the doctor should protect me. Saving an innocent is better than saving an unknown, having innocents in the game decreases like, the uncertainty and stuff. I don't know, the doctor started saving the innocent in a game i read.

How many :shock:s are allowed as I don't think one is enough to show how ed I am about this ing post?

Cupcake Pops

Moratorium is killed and turns out to be a cop. Then i'm killed even if i'm town.

Is this even possible?

Moratorium is killed and turns out to be town. Maybe, i'm not killed.

Why would Moratorium lie if he's town?

Moratorium is killed and turns out to be scum. I'm not killed.

You sure ?

I'm killed and turn out to be scum. Moratorium is not killed.

You sure ?

I want your opinion on the Cop claim/counterclaim central to this game at the moment.

I think I've answered this question in this post already. Short summary: I see Moratorium as cop more than Barros as cop.

Scum just do not play like that

But as scum expect town to think this, they will.
But now that this is brought up, they won't.
But this will continue for some time, so they will.

Want me to continue?

Goomba, the question was 'who do you see as scummier of the claimed cops'?
Not, 'who should we lynch first'?

Post 249.
Yes, Pops looks for the real cop and discuss about them. Oh wait, Goomba just talked about Moratorium being scum. Are you going with both sides, Pops?

I agree with the points Moratorium brought up because of Goomba's post in post 250.

Yeah for post 251.

I think he meant the whole appeal to emotion thing with the doc, and by saying "oh doc, please save me" you are gaining crowd support.

But when it seems logical to me that if you're a cop you want to survive. If the roleblocker is gone, you can still help town with your role.

he just seemed to randomly choose Barros for his investigation.

He didn't. He has said why he had chosen Barros. Why do you see that as random?

but his backing of Moratorium by wrapping it in a wall of math-based logic all of a sudden makes me think maybe Capricious and Moratorium are in cahoots.

And I think the scum are Pops and Barros. We're quite the good scumhunters together .

Since the beginning of this day (at least) capricious always, ALWAYS, agreeed with moratorium.

Such things will always happen. In my completed NG, the two IC's were agreeing with eachother the whole time. Neither turned up scum. And in a NG the last scum agreed the whole time with a townie player.
Agreeing with eachother doesn't make someone scum.

and until i'm done asking that sub questions

Do you have questions?

Jerseygoomba, do you think i'm town or scum?

Why do you want to know this?

he thinks i'm innocent, which is a good thing,

Again a ery comment. I want you to know how ed I am by this ing comment. What does this have to do with anything?

I've gone over everyone in the game so far but myself i think, and i would definitely say not to investigate me.

, I'm even more ed than I was ed at the previous comment. . I've got nothing else to say than

I'd like to hear who everyone thinks I should investigate next, should I survive both D2 and N2.

Based upon my s, I vote for a pops investigation.

"sure you can investigate me, i'm innocent". That's a waste of time and provides him no info.

But saying "i would definitely say not to investigate me." does?

So saying "you may investigate me" is more suspicious than "don't investigate me" because?

I've already pointed out I thought his tunnel vision reading of the thread was suspicious.

Tunnel vision is bad. Joining the crowd is also bad. The question is, which is worse?

he is legit.

You know this, how?

Pops, why do you see Goomba as Barros partner if Barros flips scum?

The more you stick up for Moratorium, the more I'm beginning to think YOU are HIS scum partner.

Almost the same suspicions as I have .

OMGUS

Enjoy !

Post 299.
I don't like it when other players 'answer'. It was asked to Moratorium. Not to Pops.

I've seen some points now against Moratorium's choice of investigation. To me, he did it correctly. Pops would have been next.
This will be an 'if' situation.
What if you were the cop and you decided to investigate the most scummiest player. At day 2, all the other players start attacking the player you investigated. (We assume that it was a not guilty/ not scum result). You as cop now needs to defend him. If you fail, you have lost your extra information. If it comes so far that you need to claim, then the town will probably lose their power role. Both aren't good for town. There's the possibility that you will succeed, but try to do that, while everyone attacks your investigated player.

Lynch Barros. If he flips town, lynch me.

If you're the cop, you should know he won't.

Don't be in such a hurry to lynch, we have plenty of time so lets use it to our advantage. It can only help the town to have more time to discuss, and have more statements to analyze.

If Moratorium is the cop, I agree with him saying that. There are some players now who are looking negatively at him only because they want to discuss more. If this continues, it could mean a Moratorium lynch. If a quick-lynch will prevent this, then I would also go for a quick-lynch.
But this also goes for him being scum.

I feel like we should lynch him just because of his inactivity

Not a ery post like Pops, but still a ery post.

so pops chatterboxyness, which could either be town or scum would have been confirmed.

You should be happy. We have found scum. I don't understand why you're still whining about Moratorium's reason to investigate Barros.

Moratorium investigates pops and gets innocent result: This would have been a very informative investigation result, as it would have allowed you to steer the town towards not voting pops, and towards another, since you and pops were now clean, there would be 2 scum and 3 town to choose from, which, combined with reasoning would be easier.

What would you have done if Moratorium starts defending Pops from out of the blue? Would you have thought Moratorium was a townie without his claim?

Moratroium investigates Barros and gets innocent result: This result would provide ABSOLUTELY NO RELEVANT INFORMATION FOR DAY 2

True. NOT FOR DAY 2. But for later days it would have been. It's not all about day 2 you know. Stop being a drama queen. That's my job.

So you "should" have thought (i use quotes because technically we are not 100% of your copiness), when you made your night choice, that an investigation on pops would be very beneficial with either investigation result as your would stop a mislynch, or reinforce a good one, with barros you only get a good amount of information from a guilty result, since an innocent result would simply allow you to scratch one person who hadn't been talking much off your list.

Your point? To me, he has made a good decision. Pops would probably have been lynched if Moratorium hadn't had the guilty result on Barros. Even if Moratorium had a not guilty result on Pops, I don't think it could have saved Pops without Moratorium claiming.

I liked you more when you were silent
I almost think you and Barros are the scumpair.
Also, if there's no doc and Moratorium had investigated Pops and received a not guilty result, I can predict who would have died N2 and N3.

Fourth, you're just being annoying,

any investigation helps

, but one on pops would have been more useful, knowing what you did at the time.

So your point against Moratorium is?

"well who cares if it was a good idea or not, it worked didn't it?"

If Moratorium is a cop, it was a risk. But I already showed you, why I think that it was a good move. I'm happy that he has chosen Barros over Pops. And yeah, it worked. What's wrong with saying that?

everything I've done all day has made people in general think i'm innocent,

Like what? And who thinks this?

I mean it was said that day 1 was not very well played and was incredibly short. I mean you can look at other games that have 20 pages by day 2 or, sometimes, even 1.

A few pages day 1=BAD!
Many pages day 1=BAD!

Quality is better than quantity.

Then after barros gets lynched, moratorium goes, and then his scum buddy tries to get pops lynched, which gives a win for the mafia.

You know that this isn't possible right?

OK, I know my post is a little big , but at least it contains everything I wanted to say.

Also to join Pops in the fun:

Cupcake Guy0 and Barros

You may cupvake multiple players right?

Mod is it possible to prod some players, like Moratorium, Barros and Capricious?
Is it also OK for me to PM Moratorium? I want to say something against him which is really offtopic and there's no reason to tell it here. I can understand it if it's not possible, but it's really urgent. If it means I have to let you check what I've written to PM him, I want to do that. I hope you get online soon so that I can hear your reply

Hope you guys are happy

[Moratorium]

Reading...

[Moratorium]

Moratorium, can you explain me why you chose Barros, instead of Pops as Pops was one of your number two suspects day 1.

I'm pretty sure you saw the answer to this later on, but I'll quote myself again just to make it clear.

I investigated Barros because I had a choice from my two FoS's in post 64: Barros or Pops. Pops was talking like crazy, Barros wasn't saying a thing. I figured if I investigated Barros, I might also be able to learn about Pops just from his constant talking. But if I investigated Pops, I probably wouldn't learn anything about Barros since he was so quiet. I went with the option that maximized information. Simple, really.

Moratorium, after Barros claimed he immediatly voted you. Why didn't you vote him in your first post of day 2, while 'your result' said he is scum?

Because I forgot to vote. I ended up voting an hour and a half later.

Lynch Barros. If he flips town, lynch me.

If you're the cop, you should know he won't.

I was being rhetorical, by saying "hey, if it turns out I'm a big fat liar, you still have an out." I know for a fact what my role is, but I have to present a case for you lot who don't know for a fact what my role is, hence, worst case scenario, he flips town and you lynch me.

If Moratorium is the cop, I agree with him saying that. There are some players now who are looking negatively at him only because they want to discuss more.

I agree with this statement, basically the sentiment that "hey let's keep the day going as long as possible so that we can figure out some more stuff" has, in my eyes, destroyed town's chances at an easy victory, because it has allowed some very dumb discussion to proceed, be it scum-driven or no. It

may

have increased town's chances at a marginal victory, however, by giving players in future days more information.


Can we have some votes please?

[Mana_Ku]

Yeah, I saw that answer further on, but forgot to erase it.

I really think Barros is the correct lynch, however I have no idea what the VC is right now and perhaps someone else wants to react to my post first or wants to ask questions. I want to give that opportunity first.

[Moratorium]

Unofficial Vote Count

2 Barros (Capricious, Moratorium)
2 Moratorium (Barros, jerseygoomba)

NV: PopsofCtown, guy0, Mana_Ku

With 7 alive, 4 to lynch.

[Mana_Ku]

You didn't have to do that. My main reason is to wait for the responses of the other players and to answer the questions they may have.

[Moratorium]

Last vote count was posted 30 days ago, so I'm keeping a tally.

[Moratorium]

Also...

Is it also OK for me to PM Moratorium? I want to say something against him which is really offtopic and there's no reason to tell it here.

You're freaking me out a little bit.