Medieval Mafia - Game Over

[Korejora]

HEY GAIS WATS GOIN ON IN THIS THREAD ?

I'm still readin', so nothin' to say, but you can post at me if you like..

unvote

whoever

[Thestatusquo]

I love kore.

[Kmd4390]

Sorry for slow response time. IMs and phone and all.

I already mentioned that this was weird, but looking at it closer, I find it really weird. Why is he making a "joke comment" that only one other person can understand? Feels like buddying to me. Plus, calling that role fishing, even as a joke, doesn't make sense to me.

That's just my RVS style. I do it in pretty much every game I play with people who have been in other games I've enjoyed.

Already commented on this, but I will again, since I'm going through kmd. Commenting on someone's serious vote feels off to me, and I don't understand why kmd felt it necessary to ask how he has a serious vote out.

Looked like TSQ was trying to get the game started. An explanation seemed helpful at the early stage of the game.

This as the explanation for him asking the question in his post 7 doesn't sit right with me. Expecting a reason behind

every

serious vote seems scum-motivated to me.

Nice strawman. I wanted a reason for a vote that looked like it was made to start discussion. I fail to see how that's "every" serious vote.

Adding the "not sure I would have included the vig part though" seems unnecessary to me. Why do you feel the need to add that? Seems like just making an inane comment that does nothing with regards to believing him or not

You're right that it has nothing to do with believing him. I just didn't see a need to fullclaim. At the time, there was no reason to think he was fakeclaiming as town. Sure, claim miller. You won't get investigated and then have to claim. No reason to waste a cop's investigation just to claim miller. But fullclaiming and including the vig part makes you a NK target. That's why if the claim were true, he'd have to use his kill today. That's why whoever killed him doesn't need to claim. [/Subtle hint]

This does absolutely nothing. Again, it's just a comment about what happened and not actually trying to draw anything from it or trying to say anything.

I was frustrated that he fakeclaimed. Not sure what more you want.

Now kmd

jumps on the zwet wagon

after seeing that it's going quite fast. He had one of the earliest chances to vote for zwet after the fakeclaim, but decided to not take sides. Now he takes sides after seeing that it's popular. I don't like that.

Um. I'm pretty sure the vote is a small sign of which side I was taking.

This also seems to do absolutely nothing for the game. Seems like this comment is just designed to bring unnecessary attention to the name of zwet's role, since the same role can have different names with different mods, flavor, etc.

Well I'd never seen it called martyr. I'm pretty sure Zwet has played offsite and I thought maybe it was a fakeclaim of a role with a different name on that site. I once got caught claiming "Super Saint" on SA where the role is called "Lynch Bomb" (I was a bomb and didn't want to fullclaim on the offchance I'd eventually be NK'd but that's a different story), so I thought I may have had a similar catch here.

I don't like how you mention that there are at least 3 things wrong with the post, but only point out one of them. Why not point out the others?

Are you even reading this game? Serious question.

I pointed out the other things wrong with it maybe 2 or 3 posts later in the back and forth I had with Zwet just before his death.

This is an analysis of qwints, followed by a vote, but I don't really know why qwints is being voted for. There's analysis, but no conclusions. Seems like trying to look like a case is being made, but I don't see one. Why are you voting for qwints?

Look at the analysis. It basically IS a conclusion. The case is there.

kmd seems to be making a lot of inane comments that look like they're contributions when they're actually not. The case on qwints seems pretty similar in that it's supposed to look like a case, but just seems to be making little comments on his posts, followed by a vote. I don't actually know why he's voting for qwints.
Then there's him jumping on the zwet wagon really late after everyone else did, even though if he actually found what zwet did scummy, he had an chance 5 hours before. I find it unlikely that he changed his mind from it being not scummy to scummy in that period of time. I think he just jumped on because he wouldn't get a lot of flak for it.
Because of that and because I want some answers, vote: kmd

Seriously, read. There is a case on Qwints. I was NOT late on Zwet. Read the game.

[Kmd4390]

The word "fag" in the tags was inintentional. Just noticed it. Sorry.

[Thestatusquo]

I'll get to reading that in a second, but I would just like to point out that the quote names are hilarious.

[hasdgfas]

Now kmd

jumps on the zwet wagon

after seeing that it's going quite fast. He had one of the earliest chances to vote for zwet after the fakeclaim, but decided to not take sides. Now he takes sides after seeing that it's popular. I don't like that.

Um. I'm pretty sure the vote is a small sign of which side I was taking.

Well, yes, obviously, but you're not actually answering my point. You had an earlier chance immediately after zwet took back his fakeclaim. Why didn't you vote for him then? Why did you instead wait until a bunch of other people had jumped on?

I don't like how you mention that there are at least 3 things wrong with the post, but only point out one of them. Why not point out the others?

Are you even reading this game? Serious question.

I pointed out the other things wrong with it maybe 2 or 3 posts later in the back and forth I had with Zwet just before his death.

First off, the "are you reading the game?" comment doesn't do much for me. I've used it before, but I don't like it, because it's not actually answering a question/accusation.
Ok, you answered it later. Why didn't you mention the others in this post?

This is an analysis of qwints, followed by a vote, but I don't really know why qwints is being voted for. There's analysis, but no conclusions. Seems like trying to look like a case is being made, but I don't see one. Why are you voting for qwints?

Look at the analysis. It basically IS a conclusion. The case is there.

kmd seems to be making a lot of inane comments that look like they're contributions when they're actually not. The case on qwints seems pretty similar in that it's supposed to look like a case, but just seems to be making little comments on his posts, followed by a vote. I don't actually know why he's voting for qwints.
Then there's him jumping on the zwet wagon really late after everyone else did, even though if he actually found what zwet did scummy, he had an chance 5 hours before. I find it unlikely that he changed his mind from it being not scummy to scummy in that period of time. I think he just jumped on because he wouldn't get a lot of flak for it.
Because of that and because I want some answers, vote: kmd

Seriously, read. There is a case on Qwints. I was NOT late on Zwet. Read the game.

Could you restate the main points in your case on qwints? I'm still not seeing them.

[Caboose]

It wasnt only that post. I disagree with at least 80% of everything you have posted so far.

so disagreeing with someone makes them scummy?

Why don't you ask Stark?

Looking back at stark's post, a lot of things are off to me.

The argument between DGB and TSQ is really silly. I have no opinion on that.

Nice fencesit.
+scumpoints

I would really like for Jebus to come back though. Maybe he used his daykill? He should probably tell us in that case.

Nice rolefish.
+more scumpoints

I would also support a Caboose lynch, if Jebus does not come to fruition. I'm getting bad vibes from him. A confirmed townie > vig.

Nice calling me down on a

non-scumtell

and even going so far to say you would support a

lynch

based off of that.
+oodles of scumpoints

Unvote
Vote: stark

[Xylthixlm]

I'm glad to see that these bandwagons are on people who are scummy. But still at lack of Jebus votes.

[Thestatusquo]

Jebus will be replaced. He has been prodded. Why are you looking for a wagon on someone who is not here to defend themselves?

[Xylthixlm]

Because putting up with this shit is bad for the site, and bad for the town.

[Thestatusquo]

Bad for the site, perhaps. But bad for the town is debatable in my opinion, especially since this is a large game.

[Xylthixlm]

Well, it sure makes it harder for

me

to find scum.

[Xylthixlm]

Most people tend to concentrate their attacks on the people who are actually posting. It's kind of like the drunk looking for his keys under the lamppost because that's where the light is.

[camn]

God I couldn't agree more.

unvote
Vote : Jebus

Just until I can take a harder look at hasfgsa. Not that you are off the hook, TSQ...

[Thestatusquo]

I don't think anyone is "off the hook" per se in a day 1 of a large theme, but really what put me on the hook to begin with? I'd appreciate an explanation.

Re: Lurker hunting.

Day one is not the time for doing it, especially since we only have one or two people who are not posting and will be replaced if we let the mod do his job. There will be plenty of opportunities to read the replacements. Lurking is a null tell in my experience. However, if Jebus comes back and starts posting, he better have a damn good explanation for why he was absent. This seems like a pretty straightforward thing. Is there anything I just said that you disagree with, camn/xyl?

[Xylthixlm]

The mod has enough trouble finding replacements for players who actually flake from the site. Making him find replacements for people who are lurking strategically doesn't help.

[Thestatusquo]

But thats the point, I don't think the assumption that he is lurking strategically is valid. It's equally likely to me that he is just flaking on this one game. I've seen it happen before. Hell, I've DONE it before.

[Xylthixlm]

And why are you threatening to lynch Jebus if he comes back? You should be threatening to lynch him

unless

he comes back.

[Xylthixlm]

If he's flaking on this one game he should request replacement himself. Anything else is just poor sportsmanship.

[camn]

Look.. in honesty, I would like all lurkers to die.

IN THIS GAME, I am at the point where I want to get serious.... But a lurker is a FINE place to keep my vote until I decide on who must die. Just accept it.

And you are on the hook because
a) you were playing like scum.
b) Everyone is suspect
c) Replacing out because your feelings are hurt is almost as unacceptable, on a meta-level, as lurking.

But I am done with policy discussion. It is clear that Xylthixlm understands me.

[camn]

EBWOP... That was directed at TSQ.

[scotmany12]

And why are you threatening to lynch Jebus if he comes back? You should be threatening to lynch him

unless

he comes back.

Where did shea threaten to lynch Jebus if he were to return?

If he's flaking on this one game he should request replacement himself. Anything else is just poor sportsmanship.

This is irrelevant.

[Xylthixlm]

Quick aside: I consider flaking without notice to be poor sportsmanship, and it will get you banned from all games I mod unless you have a good excuse. If you are active elsewhere on the site, you do

not

have a good excuse.

So yes, I may be letting personal feelings about lurkers influence me. But I think there's sound meta reasons to lynch lurkers, too.

[Xylthixlm]

However, if Jebus comes back and starts posting, he better have a damn good explanation for why he was absent.

[scotmany12]

However, if Jebus comes back and starts posting, he better have a damn good explanation for why he was absent.

That's not threatening to lynch him...