[OLD] Open Setup Ideas and Discussion

[ac1983fan]

Clever name goes here

2 Scum
1 Recruiting mason
6 Townies

Scum & masons each get a quicktopic, recruiting mason dies if he targets scum, recruiting is not compulsory.
I was considering putting a watcher/night watchman in there, but wasn't sure if it was necessary... thoughts?

This looks pretty cool on principle

Is it balanced and has it been

seconded

yet?

I've played something like this before, and it is hard enough with only one scum. I think town will lose quite often by misrecruiting.

Well you could do this:
2 Scum
1 Recruiting Mason
1 Backup Recruiting Mason
5 Townies

The backup becomes the recruiting mason once the original recruiting mason dies, but doesn't learn who was in the original mason group. He/she starts a new mason group, which can include members of the old mason group. This would effectively be the same as putting a deputy in a game with a cop. Mafia can nighttalk, Masons

cannot

nighttalk, however, all masons are informed when a new mason joins the group. Daystart.

That seems a little more balanced... another way could be:
1 Scum
1 Recruiting Mason
1 Traitor
6 Townies

The traitor could be recruited into the mason group. This would effectively be the same as putting a miller in a game with a cop. Mafia can nighttalk, Masons

cannot

nighttalk, however, all masons are informed when a new mason joins the group. Daystart.

[Lord Gurgi]

I'm thinking for the next round of games to sign up for to do

Carbon 14

again. I found the game well balance and many enjoyed playing (well except those killed early.)
Discussion on the game is welcomed.

Also saw this game getting 2 or three noms:

Two of Four b9

So again thoughts on both games. Yes or no. Problems or disagreement?

Carbon-14: Seems that massclaim is the best thing to do after nolynch day one. That should keep the town in confirmed players for the rest of the game. It is important that there is no discussion day one, though.

This depends on many factors.
Who did the mafia kill that night 1? Counter claiming is the bomb thing to do as scum or claiming said role first.

No lynch without discussion is the best way to preserve both of the investigators. Counterclaiming assures that the scum dies. Then it's just a witch hunt for the last scum. I should also say that whatever happens, counterclaiming is only a good idea for the mafia if there are 5 alive.

I figured that the best town tactic is:
no lynch -> cop claim if guilty Else hypocop + no lynch again

Sure.

[Caboose]

What the point of having the masons if they can't talk?

[SensFan]

Confirmed innocence.

I still prefer the one when they can talk, though.

[Shanba]

Nominate Friends and Enemies

Nominate Vengeful

That's how we do it, yeah?

[Empking's Alt]

Bird C9 V.2

2 Mafia

1 Macho Cop
1 Doc
5 Townies

[Lord Gurgi]

Why are you still trying to push a setup with a cop and a doc? The solution is not to try and weaken one or the other, it's to get rid of one or the other.

How do people feel about:

2 Mafia

1 Cop
5 Townies

Day Start

[Korts]

I'd rather have

2 Mafia

1 Doctor
5 Townies,

because the doctor can produce only innocents while the cop can pinpoint scum.

[shaft.ed]

I'd rather have

2 Mafia

1 Doctor
5 Townies,

because the doctor can produce only innocents when a player is saved while the cop can pinpoint scum.

I think a doctor in such a game is too swingy

[Lord Gurgi]

I'd rather have

2 Mafia

1 Doctor
5 Townies,

because the doctor can produce only innocents when a player is saved while the cop can pinpoint scum.

I think a doctor in such a game is too swingy

Or doctors suck altogether. Doctors can keep a mafia-raper like Glork alive.

[shaft.ed]

you need to turn mafia-raper into some sort of role now

[Lord Gurgi]

you need to turn mafia-raper into some sort of role now

<snip> No. That's a bad idea.

[zwetschenwasser]

Moo Mafia:
3 vanilla townies
2 millers
1 cop
1 doctor
1 hider
1 mafia executioner
1 mafia goon

[Xylthixlm]

2:10 Bugs Bunny

("What's up, doc?")
2 mafia
1 doctor
9 townies

[Lord Gurgi]

Moo Mafia should die.

Bugs Bunny includes a doc. Thus it should also die.

[Xylthixlm]

Doc with no power roles to protect just keeps mafia from killing all the good scumhunters.

[zwetschenwasser]

Is Moo completely unbalanced? Can it be tweaked? Is it hopelessly lost simply because it has a doctor to protect power roles?

[Lord Gurgi]

Is Moo completely unbalanced? Can it be tweaked? Is it hopelessly lost simply because it has a doctor to protect power roles?

It's pointlessly complicated. What the heck is a mafia executioner, anyway? What the heck is the hider for? Why is the mafia only two strong going up against that?

[Lord Gurgi]

Doc with no power roles to protect just keeps mafia from killing all the good scumhunters.

Die die die.

[zwetschenwasser]

you can kill someone with half the votes required for a lynch once in the game. The millers also help the two person scum group.

[Korts]

I'd rather have

2 Mafia

1 Doctor
5 Townies,

because the doctor can produce only innocents when a player is saved while the cop can pinpoint scum.

I think a doctor in such a game is too swingy

swingy, to my mind, implies that it can have bad consequences for town as well as scum. That's not true here.

[Korts]

Oh yeah and

nominate Bugs Bunny 2:10

Simple solution to the 2:10 curse.

[Xylthixlm]

I think "swingy" means something like "reduces the effect of skill on the outcome".

[Korts]

Ah but in that case cop is more swingy in Gurgi's proposed setup than if we substitute it with a doc.

[Alduskkel]

How about this?
2 Mafia Goons
1 Even Night Cop
1 Odd Night Doctor
5 Vanilla Townies
Day Start