Mini 760 - Bleach Mafia: Karakura Town - Game Over!

[Xtoxm]

What, so town has a Cop, 2 Spirit Enablers, a Nurse, and a Jailkeep? Not buying it.

What would you need to take out of that power role buffet in order for you to accept it as plausible?

I thought it sounded fair until Gorrad claimed. It's a Cop-Doc combo, but weakened, and Maf have a redirecter to sort it out.

It would have been nice having Phil's claim, to see if he got a full cop power as standard.

[Green Crayons]

Korlash, because I grow weary of repeating myself, I will quote to you the previous posts that have previously been inserted into this thread that answer the questions from your 732. I will be doing the legwork so I won't give you (yet again) simple links for you to go read yourself. Because you don't until well after the fact and thus you reiterate your arguments after I just linked you to where the answer to your re-voiced question can be found. So. Don't worry. The links are there, but there's also the full quotes. Read them. No clicking involved, just press the down arrow key.

...we weren't trying to lynch "the doctor" we were lynching someone who dropped a legitimate scumtell.

Please expand on this because it's making me HIGHLY suspicious of you. ... wordswordswords

Rules for Finding Mafia
1. Congratulate the doctor on successful protection: Is scum or doctor (+20, +10)

You definately pulled the classic "Look, I'm mafia trying to look like a town!" or

the less classic "Look, I'm doc trying to not be subtle about me being the doc!"

Either way, players don't congratulate the doctor anymore. It puts a big fat target on their head (by the town if they're scum; by scum if they're the doctor). So, congrats, you just exposed yourself for one or the other.

You are a moron if you are "limiting yourself" to us off of this. What, we are scum who was told by the mod he was the doctor so we tried to lynch him for it? Is that what you are getting at?

Please expand on this because it's making me HIGHLY suspicious of you. ... wordswordswords

Rules for Finding Mafia
1. Congratulate the doctor on successful protection: Is scum or doctor (+20, +10)

You definately pulled the classic "Look, I'm mafia trying to look like a town!" or the less classic "Look, I'm doc trying to not be subtle about me being the doc!"

Either way, players don't congratulate the doctor anymore. It puts a big fat target on their head (by the town if they're scum;

by scum if they're the doctor

)

. So, congrats, you just exposed yourself for one or the other.

I gave you shit for not talking about the doctor? I find that hard to believe.... Hell I'll give you 50 to 1 odds that you can't even find a post of mine to back that up.

I think we should be lynching either Korlash or Gorrad today. Nobody else. I don't want to explain my reasons for this (so, yes, I'm asking people to trust me and my judgment) at all today - besides saying that the reasons are grounded in D2 judgment - because it would really help scum at the town's expense.

This is actually the biggest reason I like him as scum today and also a small reason Gorrad is cleared a bit in my eyes. Where is the evidence that if one of me of Gorrad flips town, the other is obv scum? Where is the evidence that if one is scum, the other is obv town? This looks like he's setting up one mislynch today with the other to follow the next day. However, I'm still willing to allow him the chance to backtrack and try to manufacture evidence, or of course point out where I missed it. Whichever...

There are a few things I would rather not talk about. The evidence behind the Gorrad/Korlash dichotomy is one of them, though it's plain to see with one's eyes open while looking at D2. I will say that Phily, our cop and confirmed innocent, thought that either Gorrad or Korlash was scummy. My reasoning does not stem from this fact, but this just shows that a confirmed innocent was also of the mind that at least one of these two were scumbags.

Refusing to explain seting up future lynches is always bad and only confirms what Bullshit it is.

This is so scummy that it hurts so much. And it's scummy because the reason for my dichotomy is so incredibly town. If you truly don't see the cause behind it, it's because you're either a really dense/blind town or you're a scumbag feigning ignorance.

... It's a nice way of calling my post scummy without saying how. You just can't find reasons for anything can you?

I actually typed it out, previewed it, looked it over, gave it a final moment or two of thought and then decided against it. I'm really confident in it and I think my suspicions of both Gorrad and Korlash are legitimate while standing on their own - dichotomy not needed. Since one of you (Korlash) has a significant chance at being scum, I'm not going to harm the town to appease scum to explain why these two are in an either/or position. The rest of the town can just accept the fact that I (and Phily, and ZEE...) find them both to be suspicious and make their judgments based off of the examples of scum play I brought up.

Pardon my French, but: FISH-SHAPED SOLID WASTE. If you honestly think you have a theory that narrows a scum down to 1 or 2 players, then there is absolutely no reason to withhold it, especially when the town is in such a good position as we are. Who cares if it “might” help the scum a little bit? I guarantee that whatever mystical "benefit" that would be given to the scum will be outweighed if your theory actually results in a scum-lynch.

When it comes down to it, mafia is a game of numbers, and not information. If the town lynches scum every day, then it simply does not matter how much information the scum has.

Like the non-madeup evidence you have that makes one of me or Gorrad scum if the other is town and town if the other is scum?

I think there are lots of things we would all love to hear...

Fine. ZEE is the doctor. Or, if he isn't, he been acting like he is the doctor - and to the outside observer it's one and the same. He dropped at least three big time hints/tells at the beginning of yesterday. It was so incredibly obvious that I can't believe you didn't catch it. In light of these doctor tells, Gorrad and Korlash pushed his lynch heavy all throughout the day. My best guess as to why ZEE isn't currently dead is because scum thought they would at least give it a day/night cycle so we wouldn't immediately go back and check out what scumbags really wanted ZEE-doc dead. The fact of the matter is, both Gorrad and Korlash were big ZEE-lynch supporters. So was Seraphim. I think it's either/or because I can't see SeraScum AND scumbuddy one AND scumbuddy two trying to lynch the doctor - it's just too incredibly obvious. But, coupled with their suspicious play style, I'm convinced at least one of them was attempting to help their buddy SeraScum get out from beneath the spotlight while lynching the doctor in the process.

You gave me shit for not revealing why I supported the Korlash/Gorrad dichotomy. I ultimately revealed it to be because ZEE was obviously a doctor. Now, you want to make the defense "Oh, I didn't want to talk about roles - especially THE DOCTOR - before they outed themselves!" legitimate for your use. But not my own. Even though it is. Exactly. What. I. Did.

Mr. Double negative learn to read.

English isn't your first language, is it? That would explain this consistent missing of the mark.

When you ask someone "How is it not this?" You're asking someone to prove that "this" is in the negative because you believe "this" to be in the positive. Therefore, "You are now arguing for how is it that I'm not pro-town" is saying that you are now arguing for someone to explain to you that I am not pro-town (to prove that "this" is negative) because you believe me to be pro-town (that "this" is in the positive).

Where was I asked to do so? The first time it was ever brought to my attention was when you attacked me for "not commenting on it" implying I had reason to do so before the attack. And technically, that attack wasn't even a question, it was an observation. So it isn't really asking me to do so either.

Noting aloud other player's observations is now qualified as an "attack?"

Lack of a comment on you? Noting i did not comment because of such? What the hell are you talking about? It's kinda hard to stay mad at you when I can only understand every other paragraph you seem to write...

After giving me lots of shit for not explaining why we should narrow our perspective down to a Gorrad or Korlash lynch today,

your lack of a comment on

me finally revealing the genesis of this dichotomy was incredibly suspicious

.

Let me try to see how much of this I grasp. You'r saying it's suspicious that I didn't comment on the thing that links me and Gorrad when I've been arguing I don't even get what you are talking about for the past page? So while I'm not understanding any of your posts, I'm also expected to comment on other things and move discussion forward while being confused? Ha ha ha... You're funny man.

It's suspicious that after all the bluster about how I didn't reveal why I thought the two of you should be the only two candidates for a lynch today, that when I finally did (ZEE was obviously a doctor role and yet you/Gorrad were voting him for the entirety of yesterday) you were completely silent on the matter. That is what makes you suspicious in this one instance. That said, I haven't caught anything from Gorrad because his slimy self is trying to sneak beneath the radar?

And to be honest with you this post of yours is the first time I can remember seeing you actually labeling me and Gorrad together on the zee thing. (The links you posted earlier not withstanding.)

So you're "theory" is that all three scum were on zee? Because we all knew he was the doctor? Wow... just wow man... keep up the good work and maybe you'll get a cookie!

Fine. ZEE is the doctor. Or, if he isn't, he been acting like he is the doctor - and to the outside observer it's one and the same. He dropped at least three big time hints/tells at the beginning of yesterday. It was so incredibly obvious that I can't believe you didn't catch it. In light of these doctor tells, Gorrad and Korlash pushed his lynch heavy all throughout the day. My best guess as to why ZEE isn't currently dead is because scum thought they would at least give it a day/night cycle so we wouldn't immediately go back and check out what scumbags really wanted ZEE-doc dead. The fact of the matter is, both Gorrad and Korlash were big ZEE-lynch supporters. So was Seraphim.

I think it's either/or because I can't see SeraScum AND scumbuddy one AND scumbuddy two trying to lynch the doctor - it's just too incredibly obvious

. But, coupled with their suspicious play style, I'm convinced at least one of them was attempting to help their buddy SeraScum get out from beneath the spotlight while lynching the doctor in the process.

You fail reading comprehension. You really, really do. And it's incredibly aggravating.

Pushing a lynch on a doctor is a bad thing to do, unless you don't kow he is the doctor for instance. In which case if there is sufficient reason to think he is scum, or as I said I felt an equal doc/scum chance, then it's not really that big a problem.

If you are scum, then you would know that he wasn't scum and, coupled with the doctor hints/tells, you would have had a pretty good incentive to see him to the gallows.

I thought it sounded fair until Gorrad claimed. It's a Cop-Doc combo, but weakened, and Maf have a redirecter to sort it out.

So you don't take issue with Korlash's second Spirit Enabler with the Cop/Nurse/Role Helper set up?

[Green Crayons]

Xtox

, feel free to ignore everything in that post right above except the very end. Thanks.

[Xtoxm]

No.

I can see it fitting, and the way he said "I am too btw" looked pro-town.

Role Helper?

[ZEEnon]

Question 1: On mafiascum, does a person know if they are jailed?
Question 2: Is the targetted player allowed to preform their night action?
(Questions are directly at anyone willing to answer)

[ZEEnon]

Zee, anything in your PM suggest you may have a latent ability?

As I mentioned before, yupp.

[GLaDOS]

... Processing ...

Waiting on claims from Albert B. Rampage, Jebus, and Mastin. I don’t particularly care what order so long as we get them quickly. We also need to get targets from Korlash and Xtoxm. Every player in the game has had the opportunity to say whether they had their latent abilities activated and none have done so. For the record – as I do not believe I have said it explicitly – I have been given no indication that my latent powers, if any, have been activated.

~

Gorrad, why did you jailkeep PhilyEc on Night One?
Why did you jailkeep ZEEnon on Night Two?

[Gorrad]

Question 1: On mafiascum, does a person know if they are jailed?
Question 2: Is the targetted player allowed to preform their night action?
(Questions are directly at anyone willing to answer)

It is not told to them, and no. It basically protects and RBs them.

I targetted Philly due to a gut feeling at the time, and ZEE because I thought that he was the most scummy. I tend to use Jailkeeper roles primarily as blockers rather than protectors.

[GLaDOS]

... Processing ...

My role

definitely

has a latent power. At least, i'm pretty sure.
I had to ask for clarification on my role from the moderator during confirmation to fully understand it.

My role PM did not come out and say what my role was.
It told me what I did, but I was not informed of the role name.

Please reconcile these statements. This first quote seems to say that you did not understand your role, while the second seems to say that you understood your role but simply did not know your role-name.

~

Albert B. Rampage, I find that you hover around Coney Island quite a bit. Next time you do, try claiming.

~

Gorrad, what were your thoughts on Day Two when you saw that there were no deaths?

[Gorrad]

I figured I was the cause, but as I didn't know if he had been targetted or targeting I didn't think it wise to bring it up. When I saw ZEEnon, his scummy post made me content to go after him than a player which could go either way for me (considering my suspicion was pure gut).

[ZEEnon]

I didn't understand it because I didn't know that there was a role with only a 50% chance of saving.
I also have never heard of the Nurse role.

---

Also, I don't believe Gorrad. PhilyEc obviously got a result.
If Gorrad roleblocks at the same time, he would not have gotten one.
Now can we lynch him?

[ZEEnon]

After looking through GLaDOS' meta,
I accidently stumbled upon

her

identity, I think.
I think I have had previous interactions with GLaDOS as well.
Nothing important, just thought i'd share.

[Korlash]

I feel dumb... i almost asked who claimed cop. X.x been a long day...

Again on limited time, I saw the Korlash claim, and I've a feeling I smell bs. Will explain when I get time.

If you have a problem with my claim say it. And how can you have a feeling you smell BS? Either you do or you don't...

Look, I'm mafia trying to look like a town!

... I mean that just kinda says it all... No matter how you come at me with that, I rebuttle with this. it's a stand off. It is kinda scummy you are attacking me for "trying to lynch the doc" by using a sentence out of yoru own post yet missing this one.

Either way, players don't congratulate the doctor anymore. It puts a big fat target on their head (

by the town if they're scum

; by scum if they're the doctor)

Until he actually flips nurse this right here is as likey as the second part. Again, stand off.

You gave me shit for not revealing why I supported the Korlash/Gorrad dichotomy. I ultimately revealed it to be because ZEE was obviously a doctor. Now, you want to make the defense "Oh, I didn't want to talk about roles - especially THE DOCTOR - before they outed themselves!" legitimate for your use. But not my own. Even though it is. Exactly. What. I. Did.

First off, the shit I gave you for not revealing the Dictonomy is justified. Secondly, I'm not trying to use that as a defense. Don't misunderstand my posts, I'm not. I honestly didn't notice you ever said you felt Zee was the doctor, and I honestly find it hard to believe any town would say that, and so I've been asking you why you think not talking about the doctor is such a scummy thing to do.

And the difference between what you did, and what I've been saying is you also called people scum without providing a reason, which is a scummy action in it's own right. I mean hell, you should have made something up if you were trying to protect the doctor. By doing what you did, even though it is arguably for the town to have not mentioned it, you look like you backtracked to find a pull a reason for what you did.

English isn't your first language, is it? That would explain this consistent missing of the mark.

When you ask someone "How is it not this?" You're asking someone to prove that "this" is in the negative because you believe "this" to be in the positive. Therefore, "You are now arguing for how is it that I'm not pro-town" is saying that you are now arguing for someone to explain to you that I am not pro-town (to prove that "this" is negative) because you believe me to be pro-town (that "this" is in the positive).

Now that you mention it English was my worst subject in school. Spelling and grammer mostly.

How is it not pro-town to not comment on a player that is "assumed" doc/nurse effectively outing them in the process?

"How is it anti-town to not comment on a player... yadda yadda..."

And I'm not talking about you, I'm talking about me. You are attacking me for not commenting on Zee as the doctor, so I'm asking you how that is anti-town. This has nothing to do with you hiding your feelings on zee during the dictonomy scandal. In my mind, you did talk abotu the doctor and so this comment would never be directed at you. I suppose this is a common misunderstanding on your part and mislabeling on my part so I'm trying my best to keep this unsarcastic and clean.

Noting aloud other player's observations is now qualified as an "attack?"

It was an attack and to call it anything different is ubserd. You 'noted' it a long freaking time in advance from when it should have actually been noted, and then after zee actually claimed you didn't even allow me time to post, thusly allowing me the chance TO comment on it, even though I wouldn't have. The point is, it's not an observation, it was an attack.

Are you saying this was not an attack on me then?

It's suspicious that after all the bluster about how I didn't reveal why I thought the two of you should be the only two candidates for a lynch today, that when I finally did (ZEE was obviously a doctor role and yet you/Gorrad were voting him for the entirety of yesterday) you were completely silent on the matter. That is what makes you suspicious in this one instance. That said, I haven't caught anything from Gorrad because his slimy self is trying to sneak beneath the radar?

Dude... As obvious as your dictonomy to you was I didn't even know that this is what linked me and Gorrad until we started this argument. And at that point I was too into trying to work out the parts I was confused about to comment on anything else really. hell I even missed the posts AFTER you linked them to me. I mean... Seriously it's impossible for me to comment on something I had overlooked.

Now, at this point and time I don't want to comment on it. The 'dictonomy' (seriously starting to hate this word...) isn't half bad, Zee was the opposing wagon to Sera (proven scum) and I was arguing Sera as scum with my vote on zee. I hardly think this 'links' me and gorrad, however I do understand why you feel one of us is town and the other is scum.

However again, this also rests on zee being town. If he is lying scum, then the whole thing flies out the window. Again, unprovable until Zee flips.

Now you can continue with your 'dictonomy', just keep in mind should Gorrad ever flip town there is no proof the other scum didn't all Bus Sera yeterday.

You fail reading comprehension. You really, really do. And it's incredibly aggravating.

That was a completely sarcastic sentence. I know you have been pushing an either/or on me and Gorrad not a scum pair. It's nice to know I can get under your skin so easily.

But on that note:

ZEE is the doctor. Or, if he isn't, he been acting like he is the doctor

You admit right here there is a chance he isn't the doctor and has simply been setting up a fakeclaim, kinda proving that pushing his lynch still had merit. His wagon started out by saying "You are either the doctor or scum" if scum, he would have started droppign doctor hints from that point forward. if you can find me one of the "tells" he dropped prior to his doctor comment then I'm willing to listen, otherwise his wagon was as justified as anything else.

- and to the outside observer it's one and the same.

It is not... I will never believe a doctor who is "acting like a doctor." Never. That is the surest sign of scum dropping hints of being the doctor. Any doctor who makes it "obvious" to anyone he is the doctor is stupid and deserves the mislynch, granted I'd like to do everything to prevent said mislynch in any hypothetical senario.. If I call someone out for being either "scum or the doctor" and he starts dropping tells of being the doctor, I'm going to lean scum. Any real doctor would try to move conversation and tells AWAY from the doc so as not to out himself. again, if you can show me any place before this zee ever 'acted like the doc' I'm more willing to believe he may be the actual nurse.

If you are scum, then you would know that he wasn't scum and, coupled with the doctor hints/tells, you would have had a pretty good incentive to see him to the gallows.

So you're arguing I am scum off something that is only scummy if I am scum?... *sigh* And if I was scum i would have known he was the doctor the second he said what he said in the begining of day 2, I wouldn't have needed any other "doctor hints/tells". And as WIFOM as it is I would not have passed over the doc during the night, especially if my kill had failed the night before. I mean... that's just stupid... The only reason to pass up killing the doctor is if either he thinks you are town or you can set up a mislynch from leaving him alive... wait... hmmm... That's sounds familiar... Granted I think if you were scum you would probably have killed him and just made this case anyways... Unless he's your scum buddy... Which would provide how you knew he was going to claim doctor, and why you were so ready to believe it even though you admitted more then once he had a chance of not being the doctor as well. Regardless, on of you would need to flip first anyways.

So you don't take issue with Korlash's second Spirit Enabler with the Cop/Nurse/Role Helper set up?

I've been wondering why I'm not getting any real attacks from him as well... In Insane this happened as well. The guy with my same role just auto seemed to believe me. Either he truely believes me, which would make him town, or he doesn't want me to be lynched and then have to face the "what if there is only one spirit enabler?" questions afterwards, which would make him scum.

I myself don't see the point of a spirit enabler, much less two, when a character claiming to be "more then meets the eye" doesn't have a latent ability. Although, theoretically... Glad could become full immune instead of one shot, Zee could possibly become 100%, you could theoretically gain some actual ability, and Phily could have become some additional cop (Role to both role and alignment, or alignment to role for instance.) but that's unprovable now...

Question 1: On mafiascum, does a person know if they are jailed?
Question 2: Is the targetted player allowed to preform their night action?

Sometimes and no.

As I mentioned before, yupp.

Would you mind telling us what exactly after the massclaim is finished. (If we are in fact massclaiming)

Waiting on claims from Albert B. Rampage, Jebus, and Mastin. I don’t particularly care what order so long as we get them quickly. We also need to get targets from Korlash and Xtoxm. Every player in the game has had the opportunity to say whether they had their latent abilities activated and none have done so. For the record – as I do not believe I have said it explicitly – I have been given no indication that my latent powers, if any, have been activated.

As I said before my ability is "Spirit Enabling Attachment". I attached mysef to Gorrad Night one and have remained "attached" to him. If he had a latent ability it would have been activated then and stayed activated for night two. I cannot self unattach. I am stuck to Gorrad until he dies or I die, and yes I understand how this means I can't very well confirm myself tonight. Although for the record I am now in favor of allowing Xtoxm to live through tonight in order to help confirm himself.

I asked Gorrad to claim before me because he made it clear he felt he had a latent ability, he also said he "believed I was town" in responce to something that made me think he did in fact get a latent ability activated and thus believed my claim. i also knew I had made it obvious when I had targeted, so i felt if he was scum he would have claimed to have been targeted night one and not night two, while if he was town he would have know he had had it activated both nights.

Also, I don't believe Gorrad. PhilyEc obviously got a result.
If Gorrad roleblocks at the same time, he would not have gotten one.
Now can we lynch him?

Another player playing the "obvious card"... It's not "obvious" it's your assumption. However, i have heard players say it appears Phily got a result on Albert... i still think it's dumb to assume something like that but if a couple people think it then I can live with a combined assumption. I have some questions regarding Gorrad's role, more to come on him later...

I can use Six Rods Prison of Light to Jailkeep one person a night. I targetted Philly N1, Korlash N2. My role PM mentions, and I can't quote of course, that there's more to me than meets the eye.

Did she use Six Rods prison in season one? I don't honestly know when she actually used it... It just seems out of place in this game.

I'm also seriously pissed off... I got no ability flavor... My ability was outlined in plan english to mafia language with not themed words or phrases at all. Did anyone else get an ability with some sort of bleach lingo in it? I mean Sera claimed his ability mentioned "spirit threads" and he was lying. Can anyone confirm this?

Also Gorrad, can you give us a run down of the actual flavor Bio you were given? Thanks.

First impressions is 50/50. i'll wait for responces.

[Xtoxm]

N1: Phil
N2: GC

My second post of today was me asking "Anything happen?" And his response told me "No", which fits with his claim of not (likely) having Latent Ability.

[Korlash]

why did you pick Phily night 1?

[Korlash]

Also how is "Hi GC" asking him if "anything happened"? And hos is his responce "no"?

[Xtoxm]

Phil was the only person I had a town read on after D1, so easy choice.

If he had had something happen, it would have been enough. The way he responded with "Sup?" Told me he didn't know what I was on about.

Yeh, it's more subtle than literally asking, but I didn't want to claim. And GC is clever, I thought he would pick up if he had had something happen.

N2 I went for GC because he said "I think I know what he's looking for" When I was probing Sera. And he looked town, so I thought it was a good try. Phil had showed no inclination anything had happened, so I had already decided to find a new target.

[Xtoxm]

Look at Gorrad's action after N1. He deosn't even mention Phil. That is not the action of a JK after No Kill night. He would have thought he had either protected or blocked him, probably blocked, because he attacked Phil D1. If he was town he would have said something.

[Korlash]

actually that's a very good point... He even said he uses jailkeeper as a RB... so the lack of a nightkill should have resuled in something...

Gorrad, rebuttle?

[Gorrad]

Ok, time for restating what I've already said!

I JK'd Phily due to gut. Only gut. When, as soon as day started, two people came on the scene doing one of the scumtells I put the most stock in I decided that my 50% chance could wait and that it would be better for me to hold off on a claim and attack those that I thought scummy rather than rely on night actions. I expected to use my action as a trump card to foil a later claim, though obviously that didn't happen.

My flavor is basically my name, a few sentences that summarize who I am, and my power.

[Xtoxm]

BS.

You would not go the whole day without giving a hint as to what you did, when it could have been VERY important infomation. And apart from that, I find it VERY hard to believe town you would not think him as scum, and push for his lynch after that. The "scumtells" coming out of night are pathetic excuses. Gorrad is scum.

[Green Crayons]

I didn't receive any notification of anything different from Xtox's activities.

I would like Jebus, Mastin and Albert to claim since we're doing that today. I would also like their thoughts (preferably not in some gigantic post that's too large for its own good, Mastin) on things that they deem important.

I am happy with my vote. Discussing shit with Korlash is incredibly not fun because nothing gets through. I'll pick up that line of conversation again later if need be.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Ain't no one claiming.

[Albert B. Rampage]

Unvote, vote Glados

[Korlash]

I JK'd Phily due to gut. Only gut. When, as soon as day started, two people came on the scene doing one of the scumtells I put the most stock in I decided that my 50% chance could wait and that it would be better for me to hold off on a claim and attack those that I thought scummy rather than rely on night actions. I expected to use my action as a trump card to foil a later claim, though obviously that didn't happen.

But that doesn't jive with:

I targetted Philly due to a gut feeling at the time, and ZEE because I thought that he was the most scummy. I tend to use Jailkeeper roles primarily as blockers rather than protectors.

You say right there you use jailkeeper roles primarily as roeblockers, meaning the firs thing that should have popped in your mind was "dude... no night kill... /attack phily!"

And there is no reason for you to have claimed, but you still should have pressured and attacked Phily. Hell, you say you were saving it to use to foil a claim... yet what did you do to ever make that claim happen? And saying what Zee was more important then your own night action is dumb. It's called multitasking, you attack both at once.