Mini 760 - Bleach Mafia: Karakura Town - Game Over!

[Albert B. Rampage]

GG! Well played everyone!

[Jebus]

Good game, 'twas fun :3

[Korlash]

Wootness <3 you Glad! Totally said I prefered GC yesterday... <.< Ahh but no seriously I did nothing this game!

Um... Really kinda sad I was so off on the set-up... I mean I figured I would have at least guessed the scum right... but no... oh well...

@ Zee: Were you really a nurse then? Or just a masonable person?

And yeah, GG to all and to all a good night...

@ Gorrad: I enjoyed it as well we should do it again sometime... There's allways Yu Yu hakusho, or Trigun, or Outlaw star... Dot hack... Get backers... yeah... plenty of possibilities out there...

[OhGodMyLife]

ROLE PMS

PhilyEc:

You are

Ururu Tsumugiya

, the surprisingly strong young girl who works at the Urahara Shop in Karakura Town.

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Active Ability - Hollow Detection:

You have a supernatural ability to detect the reiatsu of evil spirits. Each night you may investigate one player, and you will discover whether or not that player is a hollow.

Win Condition - Town:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Korlash:

You are

Yuichi Shibata

, a young human soul currently trapped in the body of a cockatiel.

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Active Ability - Spirit Enabling Attachment:

Each night, if you aren't already attached to a living player, you must target a player to attach yourself to. Any latent spiritual powers of this player will be activated by your presence. You will remain attached to this player as long as they are alive.

Passive Ability - Cursed:

Any nightkill that targets you will automatically be redirected to the player you are currently attached to.

Win Condition - Town:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

GLaDOS:

You are

Yasutora Sado

, the gentle giant of Karakura High School. You are only vaguely spiritually aware.

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Passive Ability - Remarkable Endurance:

The first nightkill attempt against you will fail due to your almost superhuman endurance.

Win Condition - Town:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Mastin:

You are

Keigo Asano

, a hyperactive and socially paranoid student at Karakura High School. You are also vaguely spiritually aware.

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Win Condition - Town:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Albert B. Rampage:
You are

Karin Kurosaki

, an elementary school student and daughter of the owner of the Kurosaki Clinic. You can vaguely sense the presence of spirits.

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Win Condition - Town:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

ZEEnon:
You are

Yuzu Kurosaki

, daughter of the owner of the Kurosaki Clinic and often the acting nurse.

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Win Condition - Town:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Xtoxm:
You are

Don Kanonji

, spiritual medium and former national television superstar throughout Japan. You've come to Karakura Town to find some way to boost your ratings.

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Active Ability - Spirit Enabler:

Each night, you may choose a player to make your "pupil," bringing out any latent spiritual powers they have for the night while you secretly film yourself with them.

Win Condition - Town:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Jebus:

You are

Mizuiro Kojima

, the smooth talking lady's man of Karakura High School.

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Win Condition - Town:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Green Crayons:
You are the

Jibaku Spirit

at the old abandoned hospital in Karakura Town. You're not evil, but you're coming closer to turning into a hollow every day.

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Passive Ability - Foul Reiatsu:

Because of how close you are to the hollow transformation, anyone with a sense for these things is going to think you're a hollow already.

Win Condition - Town:

You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Gorrad:

You are the

Grand Fisher

, a hollow who has been evading the Shinigami for more than 50 years. Together with Numb Chandelier (XXXX) you have come to Karakura Town to devour every soul you possibly can.

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Passive Ability - Reiatsu Suppression:

You will not appear as a hollow to any reiatsu sensing abilities. This is how you've avoided capture by the shinigami for all those years.

Factional Ability - Night Kill:

Each night, your group may submit one night kill. You must specify which group member performs this kill.

Factional Ability - Night Talk:

You and your partner may communicate during confirmations and the night phase using this quicktopic.

Factional Ability - Safe Claim:

You know that no more than two of the characters pictured in the opening post are present.

Win Condition - Mafia:

You win when only your faction remains or nothing can prevent the same.

Seraphim:

You are

Numb Chandelier

, a hollow drawn to Karakura Town because of the high density of particularly delectable spirit beings here. Along with the Grand Fisher (XXXX), you plan to devour every one of them.

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Active Ability - Body Puppet:

Using pellets shot from your forehead, each night you may control the actions of one player, designating their target should they have any night action.

Factional Ability - Night Kill:

Each night, your group may submit one night kill. You must specify which group member performs this kill.

Factional Ability - Night Talk:

You and your partner may communicate during confirmations and the night phase using this quicktopic.

Factional Ability - Safe Claim:

You know that no more than two of the characters pictured in the opening post are present.

Win Condition - Mafia:

You win when only your faction remains or nothing can prevent the same.

zwetschenwasser:

You are

Shrieker

, the human serial killer turned hollow. Having retained your despicable personality into the afterlife, your only goal is to spread more havoc and torment.

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Passive Ability - Hollow Camaraderie:

You are immune to kill attempts by other hollows, as hollows do not generally kill one another. You of course have no qualms about killing them.

Factional Ability - Night Kill:

Each night you must submit a night kill.

Factional Ability - Safe Claim:

You know that neither Ichigo Kurosaki nor Uryu Ishida are present.

Win Condition - Serial Killer:

You win when you are the only player alive or nothing can prevent the same.

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LATENT ABILITIES

Chad:

Your latent spiritual power has been awakened

for one night only

.

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Active Ability - Right Arm of the Giant:

Firing energy blasts for your armored arm, each night you may kill one target player.

Keigo:

Your latent spiritual power has been awakened

for one night only

.

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Active Ability - Wait up Guys!:

Your keen spiritual senses mean you can now keep up with your friends wherever they go. Each night you may follow one player, learning who they target.

Karin:

Your latent spiritual power has been awakened

for one night only

.

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Active Ability - Twin Sense:

You suspect that your sister Yuzu is caught in this trouble as well. Each night, you may investigate one player. If that player is Yuzu Kurosaki, you will be able to night talk with them from that point on.

Jibaku Spirit:

Somebody is messing with your soul chain.. no.. no don't do that..

Its too late! Its happened! Your soul chain has been completely torn out, so you've become the hollow

Jibakurai

, and converted to the dark side. You know that the hollows Numb Chandelier (XXXX) and the Grand Fisher (XXXX) are trying to devour the residents of Karakura Town and will help them in any way you can.

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Passive Ability - Traitor:

Other members of your faction do not know you exist, and you may not contact them.

Passive Ability - Recruitable:

If a member of your faction attempts to night kill you, you will instead be recruited as a full fledged member.

Active Ability - Sticky Spittle:

Each night, you may target somebody with the slime you produce to immobilize them, preventing them from taking any action.

Win Condition - Mafia:

You win when only your faction remains or nothing can prevent the same.

Shrieker:

Another spiritual power within you has been awakened

for one night only

.

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Passive Ability - Hollow Artillery:

Using frog like walking bombs and your tongue as a transmitter, you can bypass any attempts to prevent your desired kill from succeeding.

[OhGodMyLife]

NIGHT CHOICES

Night One:
PhilyEc investigates ABR (Innocent)
Korlash attaches to Gorrad (Successful)
Xtoxm boosts PhilyEc (No result, Phily does not have a latent ability)
GLaDOS survives a nightkill attempt, 1shot bp is used

Gorrad kills GLaDOS (Fails due to bulletproof)
Seraphim redirects ABR to ABR

Night Two:
Xtoxm boosts Green Crayons (GC becomes mafia traitor)

Gorrad kills GC (Fails, GC is recruited)
Gorrad kills Phily (Success)
GC blocks ZEE

Night Three:
Korlash attaches to ZEE (Blocked)
Xtoxm boosts ABR (Activating Mason Seeker)
ABR targets ZEE (Success, mason team is formed)

GC blocks Korlash
GC kills Mastin (Success)

Night Four:
Korlash attaches to ZEE (Success)
Xtoxm boosts GLaDOS (Activating Vigilante)
GLaDOS kills GC (Success)

GC blocks ZEE
GC kills Xtoxm (Success)

[Seraphim]

I think I could have deterred my lynch D2 if I hadn't been gone when I was lynched.

That fake-claim was made up, BTW. I didn't even know whether or not Kon was in the game. Good game, though. Town kicked some serious ass, lynching anti-town three times in a row.

Gorrad, I wished you had told me more fakeclaim info...I'm looking at the role PM and you apparently knew that Ichigo/Ishida weren't in the game. With my info we might have been able to create plausible fakeclaims and figure out which roles actually were in the game. But I don't fault you...just saying.

[Seraphim]

Wait, never mind, look at wrong role PM.

[Xtoxm]

Oh, and thanks for modding OGML. I enjoyed this game. With the knowledge of GC's role, I would say it does look decently balanced. However, I despise alignment change.

[ZEEnon]

Great job guys! I liked everyone that played in the game.
GLaDOS, what made you choose Green Crayons?
&& yupp, I faked being a Nurse.
Since all of you were assuming I was due to

accidental

clues I left behind,
I didn't want to waste a perfect fake claim opportunity.
Plus I wanted mafia to waste a night kill on me, sadly it didn't work.
Take that mafiascum wiki! Not just mafia or doctors do what you say!

[Korlash]

... Well at least my feelings on you are justified then... lying town... harmph...

And yeah, there will always be acceptions to the rule. Nothing in this game is every case closed perfect.

[Gorrad]

I daresay the game I'm running is.

How about Lupin III Mafia? That would be BA.

[Korlash]

Or Cowboy Bebop... Or Desert Punk...

Now I'm just embarrasing myself... Next I'll be saying Zoids and Outlaw Star... quick someone shoot me...

[Gorrad]

I'm IN Cowboy Bebop Mafia right now.

[ZEEnon]

Me too!

[PhilyEc]

Nice job town, I tried investigating Gorrad on my second night but got killed obviously. Wish I knew why =P

[Mastin]

Thoughts on Day four:
(Note to GLaDOS: As I said later on during the post, sorry for this; it was just my thoughts based off of ME being the night-kill)
I was dead. Yet I wanted to say stuff so badly. For your entertainment, my thoughts,
In order:
"Oh, hey, it's the next day and the mod posted a scene! SWEET! I can play a mafia game again!"
*clicks last page*
*scrolls down to Gorrad's death*
*sees the top of the next picture*
"Oh, hey, that looks kinda like--" (my picture)
*scrolls down some more*
"Ah, shi--" (there's a letter missing. Use your brain to figure out which. )
(After seeing the picture, I realized I was dead.)

*reads flavor*

"HOLY *BLEEP*! I WAS RIGHT! I *WAS* A LATENT INVESTIGATIVE ROLE!"

(Also at this time, "*Mastin Incorporated Censor* you to *Mastin Incorporated Censor*, mafia! I WANTED TO PLAY!")

*Zee votes GLaDOS*
"DIE SCUM, DIE DIE DIE!" (Directed at GLaDOS)

*Albert Reveals he's a mason*
"Wait, aren't you supposed to be a cop?"
*Korlash claims blocked*
"Roleblocker? Well, it's common in most games, like newbie games, so why not?"

*People look at my posts, but fail to point out everything I said*

"HEY, YOU MORONS! READ EVERYTHING I SAY! I SAID THAT JEBUS IS CLEAR! HIS PM IS NEARLY IDENTICAL TO MINE! READ!

READ!

JEBUS IS C-L-E-A-R! SPELL IT OUT, YOU *chain of swears*!"

(Around this time, I PM'd the name of GLaDOS as the last mafia to the mod, because I couldn't hold back the temptation any longer)

*Albert catches on for a while*

"YES! *Mastin Incorporated Censor* *Larger censor* (Use your imagination as to what two words I just censored out) YES, ALBERT! You're on the right track! KEEP GOING!"

*GLaDOS reveals main*
"O_O"
(That's the best way to describe my thoughts)

*Korlash says things about Jebus's claim*

"Look, Korlash, get the facts straight. I WAS A VANILLA TOWNIE. JEBUS CLAIMED THE SAME, IN THE EXACT SAME WAY.
I didn't think Seraphim was clear. The way his claim was worded was the same way mine was, and Albert's, and dozens of others.
Furthermore, I SAID JEBUS IS CLEAR. I didn't say the same for Seraphim. I said his matched mine, not that he was clear. I said that Jebus's was a nearly identical to mine, and that he WAS CLEAR.

I said that I was a vanilla, but told everyone why I thought there might've been a hint of further abilities.

*further ranting by me on the matter*

Needless to say, Korlash pointing out how I seemed to be tracker, when--by coincidence--I was one DID make me laugh--hard.

"AND GLaDOS IS THE LAST MAFIA! I WAS KILLED FOR A REASON, YOU KNOW! GLaDOS IS TRYING TO FRAME JEBUS, WHO I SAID IS CLEAR, AND SAVE HERSELF BECAUSE I SPECIFICALLY SAID ALL MAJOR CHARACTER CLAIMS ARE SCUM. Screw Seraphim's Kon Claim. Their wording is probably something like 'all major characters are off fighting hollows' and he likely interpreted Kon as a major enough character."

Not game-related:
"I think AceMarksman said something that I wanted to quote at the beginning of the day. Along the lines of *Mastin Incorporated Censor* *Larger Censor* YES!, when talking about avoiding lylo. In our case, a perfect town game. So I'd hope, IF THEY LYNCH THAT LAST SCUMBAG!"

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If you couldn't tell, I get rather emotional when I'm night-killed. (I think the reason some people shoot me on Epicmafia is just to see me get angry, cursing away during the whole game, pointing out scumslips, just so that they can spectate aferwards and see said hilarity. )
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Keep in mind that this was all typed up at 4/28-29/09 as a rough interpretation of my thoughts. Further updates will come as they are posted until the game is over so that I can actually post this.


4/29/09
*Green votes Jebus*

"JEBUS IS

CLEAR

!

CLEAR, I SAID! CLEAR, CLEAR, CLEAR! READ ALL OF

*MY*

POSTS, *Mastin Incorporated Censor* it!"

*Albert votes Jebus*

"GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
WHY?!?
WHY DO THEY IGNORE THE PART WHERE I SAY JEBUS IS CLEAR? WHY?!? Why don't they realize that GLaDOS killed me to stop me from voting her, AND to stop me from telling them again that JEBUS IS *Large censor* CLEAR!?!?!?"

*Albert gets it finally*
"YES!!!!!!!!"
4/(Late)29-30(early)/09
*Zee says it's too late, and that Jebus was hammered*
"SAY WHAAAAA?!? *Long chain of swears*!!@!@! YOU'VE

GOT

TO BE

KIDDING

ME!!!!"

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I was wrong about GLaDOS (Sorry), but you have to understand, *I* was shot, *I* had shown a willingness to lynch you if Gorrad was scum and I died, and *you* helped lynch Jebus. Until I saw that the game was over, I had thought that GLaDOS was mafia, and that my theory was correct. :/
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On a side note, this is the SECOND time where I was right with many of my original suspicions. I had originally, in my entry to the game, FoS'd Gorrad, Green, and Seraphim as the three scum. :/

[Mastin]

Because I started the game as town. Xtox screwed over my town win. Thanks, Xtox.

Heh, I WAS RIGHT about there being a mafia traitor--it just wasn't Acidsomethingoranother.

Mastin talks. A lot. Without saying much.

I take offense at that--I always talk a lot. It sometimes has nailed scum several times. :/

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Also a side-note:
In the notes I typed up and showed before on why GLaDOS was likely scum, I mentioned the scum having a safe-claim worded something like 'All the major characters are fighting hollows'. Well, what do you know? I was kinda right on that as well, although they were not informed that there was one major character left. :/

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For reference, where I got it right: (checking back, it was two different 2/3 of the scum, with Albert in there because I didn't understand Albert's playstyle)

This post right here had rather some content from me.

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Also for reference, these were my thoughts during N2.

NOTES FOR FUTURE REFERENCE:
The suspected Masons are Urahara, and the two kids.
I strongly believe that Korlash is Urahara.
He dropped a tell about his favorite characters being Urahara and the kids, covering with the Golden group.
And he dropped a serious tell right here:

I would like to throw my hat into the ring of asking

Who’s the only Bleach character who wears a hat?
Further hints:

would be a great name for some

industrial cleaning solution?

Also would you mind pointing out what and where these suspicions are for

us deaf and dumb people like me that need constant reassurance?

Or do you still need time to find something that sounds remotely good enough to pass off? I would think seven pages isn't that hard to

manufacture a sutable answer

.

Bolded is an obvious reference to Urahara’s age. It also is a possible hint at masons.
Underlined is a sign of Urahara’s shop—stuff like that is common place there.

See I don't really like being attacked from the sidelines by a benched player is all.

Urahara, for the most part, takes the sidelines in a fight, on the bench, really.

Gorrad are you feeling it? You know, it? Yes? no? Ok...

Possible hint at Gorrad-Korlash partnership. However, Phil’s the one I am actually seeing linked to Korlash. It is possible it is both.

This COULD theoretically be a sign of Korlash referencing the turning of a player into a hollow, but I find that to be EXTREMELY doubtful, in that this was more of a mason-tell than anything else.

but you're on to me here. I do know something but it's definitly not what you are thinking. Unless you are thinking strange things...

Hints at his role.

... I like to think I'm everyone's boss... And you're fired...

This was what originally tipped me off—Urahara is the owner (boss) of his shop, and could fire any of his employees if he so chose. It took a while to hit me, but it did.

This is no more then me backing up what's happened in the past

Urahara has a rather long past.

I doubt Urahara is in it simply because he took a more sideline approach in this battle.

This is the ONLY thing which makes me doubt Korlash is Urahara, although it could be just a setup—crumbing taking a sideline in the battle, and mentioning being attacked from the sideline, could be a way of countering it, stating subtly that Urahara is in the game.

Then again neither was I... Hmmm... Well I mean I suppose i was in a way... sorta...

Urahara wasn’t really in the fight. But he was ‘sort of’ in it.




This was typed just before the topic was locked, but I was not quick enough to post it.

You have no idea whether Seraphim is town or not.

The same can be said for the opposite--you have no idea whether Seraphim is scum or not.

ADDED NOTE: Well, what do you know? Albert WAS right. :/

Even if he has the slightest chance of being scum, he should be killed to avoid a deadline no-lynch.

He also has a much higher chance of being town.
Also, this sounded like you think Seraph is town. Explain, please.

ADDED NOTE: He wasn’t…and I suck. I really, really, suck. :/

If he did in fact prevent a NK yesterday night, it will not happen again because the scum have the knowledge of his role.

This is true.

The reality of this is that there is no more time to be spared. If you have something to say, say it now or be silent. Your uncooperative, anti-town demeanor is noted.

Alright, short version short, for you.

-I think Seraph will flip Kon, like he said he was.

ADDED NOTE: Wrong-o. Due to the flavor being so accurate, I have come to one of two conclusions:
1: The scum have safe claims—which is bad for us, to say the least. It makes sense, as Korlash pointed out, and in addition to that, it’s kinda hard to believe the way he claimed his PM almost exactly matched mine.
2: Seraph got very lucky with the way he worded his role, as it was almost an exact match to what I have in my PM.

-I think Green is scum, amongst other reasons, due to what I see as attempts to push for whatever lynch he thinks might stick.
-I am not as sure as Albert, but I find his posts, for the most part, anti-town. I'd need to read up on his previous games to see about this, though.
-X's attitude here, in comparison to my meta on him, is a large difference, and I find it suspicious, to say the least.
-I think Glados is town.

Anything else?

You have no idea whether Seraphim is town or not...that is, if you're town, which I think the chances of that being much higher than those of Seraphim.

And you have no idea whether Seraphim is scum or not, unless you are scum.
The same logic works for the reverse, you know, except your attitude is guilty until proven innocent.

ADDED NOTE: So he was guilty—it doesn’t change the general fact that guilty until proven innocent is an extremely anti-town attitude.

Also, if the scum make a mistake and don't NK, that doesn't mean we're going to start giving them freebies. Get a hold of yourself Mastin.

I'm not comprehending.

So, are you saying it would be a mistake for the scum to kill?
I didn't understand that at all.

Crunched on time

Aren't we all...

Unvote: Albert B. Rampage, Vote: Seraphim

*sighs*

Watch as he flips Kon.
Seraph, if you're on, you can save me/others the embarrassment of waiting for the results and just tell us that you are(/n't) Kon.

ADDED NOTE: It would appear our mod was online as I was typing it, and locked the topic before anything of content could be said. Yup, I was wrong…really wrong. I knew the role sounded like a stretch, but the flavor made perfect sense, and moderators almost always add twists to characters, so I believed the claim. I’ll wait to see how the night turns out, and if anyone is killed during the night.

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Well, I’ve got three days to type. Unless the scum cut the time short (which I hope is not the case—these things take AGES to type, you know. I’ve spent half a week on a single post, you know, and the average time is two hours per post, in typing time.), I should have plenty of time, without procrastinating.

If the town sees this before the endgame, that means I was not night killed; thank you, as this is my first themed game and I don’t want my time to be cut short. I have much to offer in the way of theories, some crazy, some insane, and some rather anti-town ones, which I won’t reveal for them being anti-town.

THEORIES:

As Seraph was reeking of scum, and the ONLY thing that stopped people from lynching him before, was his claim, it is likely his buddies condemned him to death. Hence, of the six listed here, (Green Crayons, PhilyEc, Gorrad, Albert B. Rampage, Jebus, GLaDOS), it is probable at least one is scum.
Further reasoning: Before the comment on the night, did ANYONE think Seraphim was suspicious/scum? I saw no such concerns.

I believe that nobody defending Seraphim was scum. Again, the only thing preventing me from lynching him was the fact that his wording seemed very similar to that of my own PM. Hence, to defend him would have been suicidal, leaving the next day, two out of three scum likely going to be dead.

There is a fair chance that, if two mafia weren’t on Seraphim, the other was either likely on ZEE at some point in time, or never voted for anyone at all (again, due to the fact that nobody thought ZEE was scum before his post). Unless ZEE is the mafia, as he wasn’t voting. ZEE and X, the two not voting at the deadline, both expressed concern over Seraphim, yet didn’t vote for him—why?
Phil called Seraphim practically confirmed town—yet still voted for him—why?
Not knowing the outcome of the night, any of my suspects could be killed, but this is being typed for those who would live.

Something which occurred to me that hadn’t occurred to me before:
What if we have a traitor? You know, if shot by the mafia, becomes a Mafioso? Flavor-wise, there is one character that fits ABSOLUTELY PERFECTLY into that mentality. Anyone with any Bleach knowledge should know who I speak of. It would explain the lack of the kill n1 as well.
So, be weary: we might, just might, have more mafia than anticipated. Sure, there’s *always* that possibility, but most of the town is under the impression of three mafia. I’m keeping an open mind on the matter, as I don’t want to be surprised.

I also saw a very strong possible mason breadcrumb (either that, or mafia code), but I shalln’t reveal something which would only harm the town (I have pegged down who these masons would be character-wise if existing, and perhaps somewhat of an idea of who they are). If I am correct, and there are masons, they’re free to claim when they want to, not because I told them to.

I’ve scribbled down more notes on roles, what characters could have what role. I am stopping myself from writing down who I find to probably BE these characters, as that is something I obviously have trouble deducing. *points to Seraphim*

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I promised that I’d give my reasons for suspecting Green, Albert, and X, in that order. Let’s do X first, for it is the quickest.

-Seraphim’s random vote was on X’s predecessor, GhostWriter. Not much, but it’s ridiculous how many times I’ve seen mafia buss partners with a random vote on their partner.
-X replaced in, but said nothing for a whole page. Lurking?
Possible, though he says that he replaced into another game.
-X expresses a wish to lynch Albert (possible buss), yet lynches Zwet due to the deadline. Right here:

I would much rather lynch ABR, but whatever, nothing's gonna change.

Vote Zwet

Sorry man.

-X admits that the wagon on Zwet was an excuse for a scum lynch, despite being on the wagon himself.

I was right about Zwet. He wasn't scum, just because he turned out to be anti-town doesn't change anything.

Which, to me, is a reference to his earlier post, saying ‘nothing has changed about the circumstances of the lynch’, meaning his opinion still stood, which he expresses here

It's playstyle. Same as why i'm mislynched most the time. And you'll probably speedlynch him in a couple days...

And here:

No, but I don't find him scummy, and i'm not liking the manner in which he's being attacked.

And even further back, right here:

The Zwet wagon looks like a scum excuse to lynch a townie based on playstyle.

By stating on day two that nothing has changed, it means his opinion on the wagon is the same—that the scum were likely on it…yet he, himself, was on said wagon.

Vote Gorrad

Nope, no reasoning here. Just a vote...with no reasoning…which is scummy. Did anyone ever ask WHY he voted Gorrad? Checking those pages now, but I find it odd that nobody noticed…

A threat like that isn't going to work GC. And I am engaged and i'm not below the activity level either.

Nope, not seeing anyone question his vote. It would appear he got away with a no-reasoning vote. Admits to lurking, right there.

Which doesn’t fit my meta on X.

For reference, Newbie 742 is how I know him.

Unvote Vote Seraphim

He stalls and then doesn't claim. If he was town he wouldn't need time to think, he just had to claim.

X’s logic makes sense, and it turns out, he was right.

FoS: Xtoxm

Very easily a weak bus against X.
Or a subtle way of saying “Get the *censored* off me, partner!”

Unvote

Please expand.

Does the pro-town thing of wanting more details. A point in X’s favor.

I don't think your questions were even aimed at me, I think they were an attempt to put me in a bad light.

While most of this post is pro-town, this, again seemed like a scummy comment to make—reading to me as “I don’t like how you’re putting me in the spotlight”…and only scum should fear taking the heat of their actions. It could theoretically also read as “I don’t like your bussing, Green, against me.” But that’s a stretch by any standards.

Could you give more detail on your PM

Asks for more detail.

(On a side note, on a reread, I accidentally picked up another role hint from another person when rereading, but I would prefer to not state it at this point in time—it relates to my mason theory and if I am correct about this hint, it would also explain the gameplay of the player who dropped it concerning a certain matter. Another section of the game just reinforced this theory. [AND ANOTHER just a little later on. I’m picking up on a LOT of them, now.]
Up to the point where I would be surprised if the player who dropped these tells is NOT who I suspect they are. I won’t reveal such information yet, though, as it would only harm the town. There’s another person I see linked to this person in subtle ways. I will say no more)

Xtoxm, GC, what exactly are you talking about? Do you want the flavor for my role PM as well? Straight-forward questions and I will give you straight-forward answers.

Despite the other people talking, only addresses X and Green. This is a very possible buddy tell. “Hey, buddies, stop fighting! We need to get a townie lynched, NOW!”

A stretch, of course, but I find it odd that Seraph was addressing them alone.

Not much, but it is very worthy of note.
Sum-up:
-His play doesn’t match my town meta of him
-Seraphim and Green have been the two players I see addressing him the most later on, although early on it was Glados and Phil
-X wanted to lynch one person, yet deadline lynched another
-X admitted that nothing had changed, as in, he still thought that the scum were on Zwet’s wagon, yet he, himself, dropped the hammer on said wagon.

On to Albert.

-Immediately votes at least three different people for his random. This could be a way of dropping any number of tells, or could just be random, but needless to say, I have a disliking for this kind of attitude.

Can we carry a separated thread of conversation on Bleach?

My favorite character is Yachiru. So cute!

Shows inconsistency, wanting a separate thread for Bleach, yet still going on to comment on his favorite character, anyway.

Anyway I'm going to vote for the most suspicious person as the day progresses. In the past, I've tried to get the hardest lynch on who I personally thought was scum, but this had mixed results. So this game, openness and honesty!! Yay!

Says that he’ll be going for the most suspicious person—I read this as “I’m going to vote everyone’s top suspect, as in, follow the vibe of the town, instead of my normal strategy of going hard after the scum!”
1: Riding the vibe of the town means people aren’t part of it,
2: Going with the town instead of doing scum hunting is…well, incredibly scummy.

-Blindly follows Green with a vote on my predecessor, giving no further logic as to why at the time.

-Explains the logic later on for following, saying that Green was the better arguer. Says nothing about why, though, Green was better. It may be a stylistic thing, but I strongly frown upon people not giving their own reasoning ON TOP of the reasoning given by another player.

He explains why he voted my predecessor based off of Green’s logic, and shows why the logic is good, but, still, gives none of his own to it.

PhilyEc, your most recent squander, coupled your suspicious behavior outlined in the quote below, have shown us how little you understand the game. I will now ignore you entirely until you post something of value.

Flat-out declares how he will ignore Phil’s input, which is incredibly scummy.

Unvote, vote PhilyEC

OMGUS is what I saw, there…

Anyone who notes how I suspected PhilyEc before he voted for me gets brownie points.

Yet, when looking back, I saw only his suspicions on my predecessor—none of these rumored suspicions on Phil.

I have earned my title.

Basically just flat-out says that he’s being Illogical, which is a rather anti-town activity, I might add.

-Makes a statement about luck I don’t understand,
-Then unvotes, says he’ll get back into the game, and won’t take questions—a seemingly paradoxical statement, as questions are part of the game.
A rather scummy comment, in my eyes.

No.

Says he was lying before about his previous suspicions on Phil—if I were more strict to the rules, that’d be enough to invoke Lynch all Liars alone. I can understand lying during the RVS stage to get discussion going (I’ve seen IC’s do it before, newbies do it, etc.), but once out of it, I take great caution at ANYONE lying, ESPECIALLY when there has been Lynch all Liars discussion within pages.

so are we lynching zwet or what

Shows a desire to get as quick a lynch as possible on Zwet.

If it looks like scum, smells like scum and plays like scum, its probably scum.

In his defense, this is a very valid point.

That's pro-town right there ^

An apparent reversal of opinions at least temporarily on my predecessor.

I'm with you Gorrad, because I have the same instinct, but I doubt it will go anywhere without at half a majority at least, so I'll keep my vote on zwet.

Yet ANOTHER player who wants to lynch someone else, yet is on Zwet’s lynch to make sure the lynch goes through.
How could anyone not find that scummy?

Say you suspect two people equally. Who are you going to vote for, the one who has 3 people on the bandwagon, or the one with only 1 person?

Explains himself, but I still found that he wasn’t saying he was suspicious of Zwet as much as Phil…and I really believe in voting who you are most suspicious of.

I am then forced to physically write out my suspicions of PhilyEc:

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 46#1554346

This also predates his vote.

Therefore, I have never OMGUS'd him.

Said suspicions are read by most as Albert just flat-out ignoring Phil for being a bad player, not actual suspicions, so I find his argument invalid on the point, there.

So, who do I think is scum currently? The most suspicious are:

Zwet

and

ABR

FoS’ing possible partner, along with going after an assumed pro-town player. This was also X’s view of the game, so there’s a point I had forgotten to add against X.
Again, I see the strong possibility of a buss.

Cheering the doctor upon daybreak is a dead scum giveaway.

Bandwagons ZEE, who I see as likely just a pro-town player.

I forgot.

Says he forgets. Whether this is legit, or him ‘forgetting’ a non-existent case, time will tell.

Look, I don't really give a damn about these stupid questions. We're trying to scumhunt here.

Ignores the fact that part of scum hunting IS asking questions—one of THE most major parts, actually.

I swear, in this game, all the scum are the annoying players.

Now, this could be a flat-out admitting to being scum (“My partners are driving me crazy!”), or it could be him just being blunt, stating that the people he thinks are scum are the annoying players in the game.
Either way, I don’t like it…

Seraphim’s next post attacks ZEE, but also goes after Albert. Again, it’s the FoS/Vote tactic, only this time in reverse. It reinforces my opinion that Albert is scum with Seraphim.

Thanks for catching that Gorrad. Maybe Zeenon is the doc so I rather vote for Seraph.

1: Rolefishing ZEE,
2: Unvotes and goes onto a new bandwagon forming.
Both of which are scummy.
Albert’s discussion with Seraphim seems to be a setup for Albert to push for a heavy buss on a now-scummy (due to Gorrad’s catch) partner, in my eyes, although it could be legit scum hunting.

Finish off Seraphim.

First comment in a while, and—like with Zwet, urges people to hammer Seraphim.

Gorrad is very pro-town, unvote him please.

Posts something I now agree with.

You should read before you post.

“Green, stop making scum tells and post when you’re awake!” I know, a stretch, but one I find at least a possibility.

So you think that I'm mafia and I'm bussing Seraphim?

I am not certain, but this probably would have not been my thought process at the time—I am definitely thinking it is the case right now, though.

Next post is him saying he doesn’t believe the claim.
He was right; I was wrong.
That doesn’t mean that a buss wasn’t in order, which I believe is rather the possibility.

The next post, a page later, is similar in nature.

States again that he thinks Seraph is scum, giving no further reasoning, yet again…

Unvote

Okay then, I could go for a speedlynch of someone else. But not Korlash, and not Gorrad.

WANTS to see a Speed lynch. Tell me, how can that not be scummy?

Vote: Zeenon

If you thought Seraph was scum, Albert, why vote Zee?
THEORY: To prevent the bandwagon on his buddy from actually going through, when an alternative was available.

Mastin's complete bullshit argument about comparable flavor and sentence structure should be ignored through and through.

Attempts to discredit me with no given evidence to support it.

Seraphim: 3 (Green Crayons, PhilyEc, Gorrad)
ZEEnon: 3 (Korlash, Seraphim, Albert B. Rampage)

Anyone not voting for these two should be a favorite lynch contender tomorrow.

Makes an absurd declaration, easily an attempt to set up tomorrow’s lynch.

Its better to risk lynching a power role with the reward of catching a scum, than to no-lynch with the consequence of never finding a scum.

"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take." -Wayne Gretzky

While I don’t fully agree with this point, it is, in most situations, correct.

I fear it is too late to even decide between two.

Pile all your votes on Seraphim as soon as you read this.

Unvote, vote Seraphim

Goes back to Seraphim…

The rest of the points for the day raise all entirely valid reasoning.

But, overall, I am getting a fairly scummy vibe from Albert.


Summary:
-Shows inconsistencies very early on
-Wanted to ride the vibe of the town, until he got called out for it
-Has been known to completely ignore players
-Has shown very little of his own reasoning in his arguments, giving few to any reasons behind the votes
-Admitted to lying
-Has shown a desire to quick lynch TWICE
-Bandwagoned
-Singled out by Seraph as probable scum
-Rolefished
-Is very easily paired with both my other top suspects
-Has shown several signs that can very easily scream bussing partner.

I don’t know Albert’s past playing style, so I can’t say it’s a sign he’s scum for certain, but I can say it IS anti-town, and reeks of scum to me.

Dang, I kinda suck at this. I get it kinda sorta right to begin with, nailing over half the scum (Seraph, Gorrad, Seraph, Green), yet later developments push me away. (Only one major character)

I had fun in this game, to say the least. To many more games, where I will enjoy watching myself get nightkilled for no apparent reason. >_>

[Mastin]

By the way, this marks the second time that I've been night-killed after having one full day of posting, as well as replacing in the day before early on. Put together, it's my third time being night-killed early on.

People call my posts lots of 'contentless garbage', for the most part, yet at the same time, 'incredibly pro-town' feelings directed at me. Out of curiosity, really, what makes me look pro-town for having what appears to be so little to contribute? And why the constant night-kills on me when many voiced suspicions of me?
Policy Night-kill? <_<

[Green Crayons]

I take offense at that--I always talk a lot. It sometimes has nailed scum several times. :/

I'll borrow Yos' (Shrug) for a reply. I was calling it as I saw it. You were typing a whole bunch of words, but it wasn't really getting through to the town as ideas. If you could distill your posts to a refined set of points I think your effectiveness would sharply rise. As it is, your posts come off as a lot of noise - any good points you may have get lost in the ocean of text.

[Mastin]

Hmph. I don't mumble. I don't shout. That's not radio noise (mumbled nonsense), nor vocal noise (loud speaking) in my posts. I prefer a fine mid-ground, of clear yet loud enough to understand, so I disagree.

SIMPLE SOLUTION:
If people would read everything I write, they'd realize why I'm night-killed, for I am probably at least partially right in my suspicions. :/

[Green Crayons]

But that's not the "simple solution."

Here's the situation:
You make posts with a ton of text and little organization.
People on this site by and large don't read walls of text on a regular basis.
There is an ever increasing diminishing returns in terms of the more text-wall posts you make:the amount of people who read them, and the amount those people read.

If you don't 1. distill your posts into manageable portion sizes, 2. create a snazzy, sharp format that helps to guide people through your thoughts or 3. combine one and two, there isn't going to be a "solution" to this situation. People aren't going to read lengthy text walls just because they might contain a nugget or two. It isn't fun and isn't going to happen. The solution to this issue isn't on the "everyone else" side, it's up to you.

[ZEEnon]

I'm going to be honest, I don't normally read wall of texts.

[Korlash]

"Look, Korlash, get the facts straight. I WAS A VANILLA TOWNIE. JEBUS CLAIMED THE SAME, IN THE EXACT SAME WAY.
I didn't think Seraphim was clear. The way his claim was worded was the same way mine was, and Albert's, and dozens of others.
Furthermore, I SAID JEBUS IS CLEAR. I didn't say the same for Seraphim. I said his matched mine, not that he was clear. I said that Jebus's was a nearly identical to mine, and that he WAS CLEAR.

I said that I was a vanilla, but told everyone why I thought there might've been a hint of further abilities.

You fail to notice the key factors in his claim. For one he DID NOT MATCH YOU... He said he had no mention of any secondary abilities. This was a key difference from yours. This very fact made it impossible to clear him off your claim regardless of anything.

Secondly YOU had been Nightkilled. It was very likely he killed you so that he could fake claim a mimic of your role. You're claim and role played no part in Jebus's claim and role in any way shape or form.

[Mastin]

By the way,

(3) speculating that I have a killing role because I used a quote from Portal about killing test subjects;

Did I mention I was right about that?

You fail to notice the key factors in his claim. For one he DID NOT MATCH YOU... He said he had no mention of any secondary abilities.

Nah, he said

"I'm Mizuiro Kojima. There's nothing in my role PM that suggests I am anything but vanilla townie."

My role claim, basically, would've been

"I'm Kiego. Nothing in my role PM says that I'm anything but vanilla townie, although there's a hint as to what I might be."

The only thing different was the latent abilities, which was the only difference.

I was a townie. I just had latent abilities.
Jebus was a townie. He didn't have such luck.

Secondly YOU had been Nightkilled.

As Albert said, Jebus would've never night-killed me. And later on, if this were the case, why didn't Jebus bring it up? In your Jebuscum-scenario, after he failed to bring it up, why would he have killed his one supporter?

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Jebus's accidental lynch was the only thing which I consider to have been an error in the game. The Korlash imaginary (As Jebus had been lynched, hence, it never happened) bandwagon would've been something which I would have accepted as an alternative that would've left us with the same outcome (although in actuality, had I been left alive, I would've pushed hard for GLaDOS's lynch--a different outcome, as there'd be nothing to vig Green n4 and we'd lynch him d5).

[Korlash]

"I'm Mizuiro Kojima. There's nothing in my role PM that suggests I am anything but vanilla townie."

My role claim, basically, would've been

"I'm Kiego. Nothing in my role PM says that I'm anything but vanilla townie, although there's a hint as to what I might be."

The only thing different was the latent abilities, which was the only difference.

I was a townie. I just had latent abilities.
Jebus was a townie. He didn't have such luck.

That is a big difference. And what your role claim "basically" would have been doesn't really fly. if you want to argue the exact phrasing you and he used I'm all for it, but boiling your claim down to some new statement and excpecting it to work in this argument is just dumb.

As Albert said, Jebus would've never night-killed me. And later on, if this were the case, why didn't Jebus bring it up? In your Jebuscum-scenario, after he failed to bring it up, why would he have killed his one supporter?

Why would Jebus have not killed you? If he was scum trying to find a player to mimic a role from you seemed the least likely risk. In my hypothetical of Jebus scum killing you to frame your role to his fakeclaim makes perfect sense him killing you. And he failed to bring what up?

Jebus's accidental lynch was the only thing which I consider to have been an error in the game. The Korlash imaginary (As Jebus had been lynched, hence, it never happened) bandwagon would've been something which I would have accepted as an alternative that would've left us with the same outcome (although in actuality, had I been left alive, I would've pushed hard for GLaDOS's lynch--a different outcome, as there'd be nothing to vig Green n4 and we'd lynch him d5).

seeing as how my lynch gave the same outcome in every sense, would you have considered it an error as well?