Mini 168 - Item Mafia Game Over

[Crola]

Fixing the thread. Also, I'll let that random vote slide by armlx, only because you justified it and it wasn't as random as a random vote could be.

[LordKrishna]

CoolBot, it sems to me that kleimar is the one behind the sycko thing, trying to distract from his own ammo earlier purchase. Kleimar, your reasons clearly cannot be the same as CoolBot's, as you *did* vote for sycko for buying the gun (while CoolBot is voting for me for doing the same thing). Given that, I find it interesting that a semi-faction seems to have formed...

I have to fly to Chicago rather last-minute, but I will be back late Wednesday night. Will try to read/post while there, but I can't promise anything, as I am not sure how easy it will be to get to a compy...

Sorry, all. Will make it up with extra-frequent posting when I return.

-K

[CoolBot]

Krishna, I find it funny you're voting kleimer on the same theory that proved false Day 2. The fact is there is a very good reason to buy dangerous items: to keep the scum from getting them.

I stand by my reading of Krisna's actions Day 2. He hopped off the sycko wagon while still agreeing with the arguement behind it.

[Locus Cosecant]

I stand by my earlier statement: people who need guns aren't the ones we should be worried about; I can't think why you would want ammo without a gun.

[Assasin]

I have a question for Sttryyker, what is up with you winning the lotto and what did Crola mean in his post When he said God will strike you down? Are there any consequences to winning the lottery?

[Crola]

I have a question for Sttryyker, what is up with you winning the lotto and what did Crola mean in his post When he said God will strike you down? Are there any consequences to winning the lottery?

This was just mod humor, implying that in reality winning the lotto twice in a row is practically impossible.

[kleimar]

I have already sold my ammo. And that in fact proves that I do not have a gun. (At least to those people who have had either gun or ammo.)

[armlx]

No. It does not. You could easily Black Market the Ammo afterwards.

Coolbot is also being stupid more so. I am starting to think at least one of kleimars or 'bot is Mafia, if not both.

[kleimar]

The problem is that if you own both an empty gun and ammo your weapon automatically reloads and you do not have any ammo left. Hence I could not sell the ammo if I had a gun.

[SapphireVerde]

Well...I just wanna know how would you if your gun could automatically reload if you had ammo? Is this something you made up or what really happens and you just slipped up? See, I'm starting to think that you,kleimar, and coolbot are both scum. Just by the way how he wanted to get the heat off you by pointing the finger at some one else.


by the way, I don't have my first aid kit yet......

[SapphireVerde]

Right now I'm going with coolbot as the scummy one.

vote: coolbot

[Crola]

Vote Count

2 Kleimar

(armlx, Locus)

2 LordKrish

(Coolbot, Kleimar)

1 Coolbot

(Sapphire)

0 No Lynch

4 Not Voting

(Warp, Assasin, Strykker, LordKrish)

5 to lynch
Sorry, about hte delay in Fisrt Aid Kit Sapph, it's been sent.

[armlx]

Just reread the entire thread and have come to several conclusions.

1. The following people are most likely town: Me, Warpy, and LordK.
I can't be proved by anything but my word and the Med pack, but both LK and Warpy have been major targets from scummy people (see below). The worst we have done is me and Warpy on the MoL wagon #3 and #4 and LK with the refusing to vote Sycko.

2. Not sure about the following people: Saph, Assassin (post more!), kleimars. Kleimars posts a lot but says little, Assassin doesn't really post, and Saph is playing townish but has some iffy decisions here and there.

3. LIKELY SCUM: Coolbot, Stryyker, Locus. All three wagon together too often, go for kleimars & warpy. They also tend to sway on weak wagons and want to lynch people everyone else has found innocent in their minds, notable kleimar day 2.

Coolbot doesn't want to attack gunners, but attacks kleimars. He also doesn't want to answer Iammars simply Q's.

Stryykers big thing was early with MoL. He jumps after an opponent to the wagon come out, but jumps on after it is clear MoL is going down. Also see his posts #128 and #139. They contradict. Also early on he got realy defensive after Iammars talked about his "paper on why Stry-V is scum". He said something like "Bring it on".

Locus is the weakest case of the 3. Besides the kleimars thing, a Hammer thing, post 133, and swapping to Sycko really, really late he hasn't done much.

I am sure at least 1 of these 3, if not 2 or 3, is/are scum. As Bot has the biggest case against him, I will

Unvote

Vote Coolbot

Buy some Shoes

Sorry kleimars for earlier, but as I said your name was the first one up.

[Locus Cosecant]

If, as you claim, armlx, everyone is convinced that kleimar is innocent, I can't see why. He bought ammo. Ammo is, I assume, that stuff you put in guns so that you can shoot people? Yes? I, for one, don't want to get shot, so people buying ammo makes me antsy.

[CoolBot]

Where did I ever attack kleimar? The most I did was point out a potential scam, but I never followed up on it. If anything, I'm tacitly defending him by attacking Krishna.

[armlx]

I have 2 1/2 pages of note on the thread. You, Stryyker, and Locus were quite adamant about the ammo thing at first until people turned on sycko for buying a gun.

Lotus: Due to some things kleimars has said I am lead to believe is some what more innocent than you are.

[armlx]

Coolbot: I have 2 1/2 pages of note on the thread. You, Stryyker, and Locus were quite adamant about the ammo thing at first until people turned on sycko for buying a gun.

Lotus: Due to some things kleimars has said I am lead to believe is some what more innocent than you are.

[CoolBot]

Your notes are wrong. You may filter my posts out and you would find I only mentioned kleimer once.

Incindently, kleimer didn't sell his ammo unless he also PMed Crola, according to the rules. There's a chance he wanted us to think he was selling it while keeping the ammo.

That's hardly an attack. All I was doing was noting we had to take his word that the ammo was sold. Sapphire, Stryyker, Locus, and Krishna were the prime movers of the crappy ammo buying equals scum theory.

[armlx]

Whatever. Good thing I take notes. Everything suspicious Coolbot has done is in post 244 by Lord Krishna. Read it. I don't think I need a better explaination (unless I read it wrong, which is possible).

[Crola]

Vote Count

1 Kleimar

(Locus)

2 LordKrish

(Coolbot, Kleimar)

2 Coolbot

(Sapphire, armlx)

0 No Lynch

4 Not Voting

(Warp, Assasin, Strykker, LordKrish)

5 to lynch
Sorry, about hte delay in Fisrt Aid Kit Sapph, it's been sent.

[warpdragon]

Ok i reread today and I think that there is the mosst evidence against Coolbot.

Fos Coolbot

I however need to look more indepth.

I will buy a

First Aid Kit.

[CoolBot]

Armix, you notes are wrong in regard to me attacking kleimer. Reread the thread, and you'll find that to be true.
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Krishna was the first to vote sycko:

All right, so this looks weird to me, again. Immediately after many of us note that kleimar's buying of ammo looks scummy (and a few of us put votes on him), knowing full well how the town reacted to kleimar's ammo purchase, sycko999 goes and purchases a gun!

Sycko, you've got a vote coming to you, which you should surely have known would happen, given the immediately preceding actions. What's your game?

UNVOTE: kleimar. VOTE: sycko999.

In his next post he continues to push sycko, and then I vote him because he's one of those pushing the theory that buying gun/ammo equals scum. He immediatly responed to me, expressing that there wasn't any reason for town to buy a gun, which is false. He also says that there's less reason to vote sycko than kleimer. Yet he's still voting for sycko.

CoolBot, assuming the Mafia gets one kill a night (innate role-ability), WHY would they not buy the gun to get a second? (then another one for a third)

My initial reaction to all this was that trying to make us think that the scum have no reasons to buy guns is pretty scummy behavior, though I do see the point that buying guns could be a vigilante action. I still don't understand why people say that a vigiliante would be a good thing. It still seems to me that it would be an extra person killing people off, who has no more information than does the rest of the town!

Kleimar's initial move of buying ammo might have been more scummy than sycko's subsequent gun-purchase, as it suggests he already has a gun. His reason of 'Oh, but I just wanted to see what it did' doesn't really jive with me, for the simple reason that we can all guess exactly what it does. I suppose it's nice for Town to know that there are three bullets, or whatever, but I think the info gained from buying ammo is less than from sycko's candle purchase, for example.

All this said, I think there may potentially be less reason to suspect sycko999 of being scum than kleimar. (REASON: Buying a gun implies you don't have one [caveat that perhaps the scum start with 1 gun and want to get three], but buying ammo implies you've emptied your clip!). Kleimar, I'm interested in hearing a more in-depth defense from you, as sycko's done a little more, imho, of clearing his name. I'll levae the vote where it is for now, pending Kleimar's defense and the weighing in of others.

Finally, Krishna unvotes sycko to give him some breathing room. Nothing scummy with that, but note that he didn't say anything about not finding sycko suspicous anymore. Though it should be noted sycko had already claimed.

UNVOTE: Sycko!!

I'll unvote to allow him some breathing room -- I don't want scum lynching him before he gets to defend himself!

After sycko made a post to point out he did claim, so there wasn't any reason to give him any breathing room. So what does Krishna do? Attack him, but not vote him.

I am pretty comfortable lynching you, pending a further lack of an adequate defense on your part... BUT I will continue to withhold my vote from you to prevent you from getting lynched without a REAL defense.

Anyone else have thoughts on sycko's reasons?

After this, Krishna starts to point out sycko's brash style, in an apparent attempt to get someone to vote him for this. Of course, Krishna points out he certainly wasn't going to make the lynch:

In fact, I will not be placing the lynch vote on you, sycko, EVEN THOUGH you are lashing out at random, and voting for people based on useless reasons. Your tone is irksome, and does not at all befit that of a man of the cloth. I suggest you do some penance, a confessional, whatever is necessary to calm you down enough to start rationally approaching the problem. (What *is* the problem, ask some people out there -- THAT THERE ARE PEOPLE KILLING OUR TOWN!!) Let's fix that, then worry about who is playing stupidly, or who is not as smart, or who's momma is the biggest slut, or whatever...

I accuse Krishna again, and now he says he wasn't a supporter of the lynch the gun buyers crowd. This is absurd. He was the first to vote sycko, and when he unvoted, he made no indication it was because sycko sold the gun.

I'm not voting for sycko, because I don't argue that we should lynch anyone trying to buy a gun -- I advocate NOT ALLOWING anyone to buy a gun (we have already done this in sycko's case), unless we have some way of proving them innocent. I don't see a way of doing this, do you? My initial vote on sycko was a pressure vote, a way of forcing him to answer my question ("What's your game?"). I now simply think it was a poor choice on his part to buy a gun, NOT scummy behavior (this is why I don't want to vote for his lynching).

Krishna was the first on sycko's wagon. He got off the wagon for the understandable reason of preventing a quick lynch. He continues to argue against sycko. And well after unvoting sycko, he changes the reason why he unvoted sycko. Combined with advocating a day 1 lynch, he is looking extremely scummy. Lynch him.

[armlx]

My notes have arrived. Numbers with no refference refer to post #.

Watch Lotus for wagoning on Warp fast. Hammer comment(inadvertantly claiming Hammer? = Mafia?). Idiot after wagon over. 133?Goes to Sycko 2 before lynch.

Coolbot Band Wagons on Warpy.

Random Vote

(*GASP*) ARMLX, despite showing the doc item. 136. Doesn't want to answer easy Q's. Attacks krishna for attacking gunners. Doesn't like attacking gunners

Watch Assassin. Doesn't post much.

Warp Dragon clearedish IMO.

Think Krishna is town. Post 204 is good resource. Same with 239 & 240. 244 vs. C-Bot.

Stryyker wagoned Warpy too. Iammars suspicious, then Saph chimes in. Say "Bring it on Iammars" to "paper". Sways after wagon on MoL gets an opponent, revotes after it gains more steam. 128 and 139 contradict. 174 seems townish.

Sapphire: Post 58 (6th vote, "not mean"), 65? Shift attention. No lynch, plays as friendly noob but I can see something. Knows kleimar can afford ammo (phrasing)? Switches to Sycko after wagon steams

Me and Warpy stupid vote for MoL. Durf to us.

LOCUS, COOLBOT, STRYYKER, & SAPHIRE ON WARP WAGON! SEE POST 71 & 73.

Kleimars say little and uses a lot of words. Tries to slip in buying ammo in post. Says he doesn't know what ammo does. Knows what gun does (prolly from ammo). Supports guns before Syck lynch. No fixing next days lynch. Reloading gun after claiming to "sell ammo". HAS LOADED GUN.

LOTUS, BOT, and SAPH keep Kleim wagon going.


There they are. Some stuff may be cut up. I say we get kleimars to shoot Stryyker or Locus tonight if we lynch 'Bot.

[LordKrishna]

Hi, everyone. Back. (Chicago = Metropolis, home of Superman. This is now clear to me.)

CoolBot's latest post shows that he is unable to make new conclusions. As armlx has pointed out, I've already dealt with all of these allegations earlier (post 244, and again, post 271).

I see no reason to put you through a point-by-point refutation of his latest post, as all reasons should be covered in the above two (or in the original posts I made that he is taking things from).

Kleimar hasn't come on and mentioned why we shouldn't consider him and CoolBot a voting bloc, as I brought up in 276. I see no reason to change my opinion that the two are in cahoots as further actions have only served to further implicate them as a 'group' (particularly as, in post 289, CoolBot makes a reference to "tacitly defending" him, which, I think gives away more than he meant to). I would like to point out that his vote on me looks an awful lot like OMGUS (Oh My God, U Suck), for my vote on him. And my point that he is different from CoolBot has gone unanswered.

I do agree that CoolBot is the more scummy of the two. His constant hounding of me for entirely specious reasons is my primary reason for changing my vote to him, but it's more than OMGUS on my part -- he really hasn't really posted a whole lot that hasn't simply been accusatory or negative, a tactic of a Mafia 'gunner' player.

Unvote

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VOTE: CoolBot

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Let's nail one scum today, and (likely after kleimar/3rd scum[?] kills me tonight, for 'getting uppity') get another tomorrow.

Assassin, you need to post more. Not quite enough for a FOS from me, since I've got enough targets for now, but you are looking suspiciously like a lurker.

I am trying to decide what item to buy, but I'm not quite sure what's useful. I am definitely out of the lotto game. Strykker's just too lucky for me to compete... I've saved up some money, and I'm ready to spend. I really wanted to buy bongos, but now, I am really intrigued by the Quill, too... Any thoughts on relative usefulness/coolness from those who know (warpy and armlx, I believe)?

-K

[LordKrishna]

Hi, everyone. Back. (Chicago = Metropolis, home of Superman. This is now clear to me.)

CoolBot's latest post shows that he is unable to make new conclusions. As armlx has pointed out, I've already dealt with all of these allegations earlier (post 244, and again, post 271).

I see no reason to put you through a point-by-point refutation of his latest post, as all reasons should be covered in the above two (or in the original posts I made that he is taking things from).

Kleimar hasn't come on and mentioned why we shouldn't consider him and CoolBot a voting bloc, as I brought up in 276. I see no reason to change my opinion that the two are in cahoots as further actions have only served to further implicate them as a 'group' (particularly as, in post 289, CoolBot makes a reference to "tacitly defending" him, which, I think gives away more than he meant to). I would like to point out that his vote on me looks an awful lot like OMGUS (Oh My God, U Suck), for my vote on him. And my point that he is different from CoolBot has gone unanswered.

I do agree that CoolBot is the more scummy of the two. His constant hounding of me for entirely specious reasons is my primary reason for changing my vote to him, but it's more than OMGUS on my part -- he really hasn't really posted a whole lot that hasn't simply been accusatory or negative, a tactic of a Mafia 'gunner' player.

Unvote

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VOTE: CoolBot

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Let's nail one scum today, and (likely after kleimar/3rd scum[?] kills me tonight, for 'getting uppity') get another tomorrow.

Assassin, you need to post more. Not quite enough for a FOS from me, since I've got enough targets for now, but you are looking suspiciously like a lurker.

I am trying to decide what item to buy, but I'm not quite sure what's useful. I am definitely out of the lotto game. Strykker's just too lucky for me to compete... I've saved up some money, and I'm ready to spend. I really wanted to buy bongos, but now, I am really intrigued by the Quill, too... Any thoughts on relative usefulness/coolness from those who know (warpy and armlx, I believe)?

-K