Mini 168 - Item Mafia Game Over

[LordKrishna]

Apologies for earlier double-post (I swear, I only hit that button once!)
-K

[CoolBot]

By my count, there's three of five votes on me. So it's time for me to claim.

I'm a cop. Night 1, I investigated LordKrishna and found him anti-town. Night 2, I used a item.

[StrykkerVerde]

Alright now we're getting somewhere. I think we should hold off on the Coolbot lynch until Krishna gets a chance to defend.

[armlx]

Ha.

Ha.

Ha.

Ha.

OK, lets watch this play out.

Bot = Mafia

Lynch Krishna today, they kill someone tonight.

3/7 = must lynch.

Lynch Bot today, they kill tonight.

2/7= 1 "Spare" lynch

No thanks, I'll take my chances with the more suspicious of the two.

[kleimar]

Okay and if Coolbot speak thruth, we get exactly the reverse. My vote stand for Krishna unless someone else claims cop. Lynching an uncontested cop is the most foolish thing to do.

[Crola]

Vote Count

1 Kleimar

(Locus)

2 LordKrish

(Coolbot, Kleimar)

3 Coolbot

(Sapphire, armlx, LordKrish)

0 No Lynch

3 Not Voting

(Warp, Assasin, Strykker)

5 to lynch

I prodded Assasin, he should be posting by tonight.

[armlx]

You know, there always could be a cop item? Ever think of that?

Can anyone confirm they have a night action in their ability? That would solve this whole mess.

Also, @ Coolbot, what kind of item could be better than an investigation? Not what it is, just what it did cuz not even a Med Pack IMO is better than a cop investigation.

[Assasin]

Ha.

Ha.

Ha.

Ha.

OK, lets watch this play out.

Bot = Mafia

Lynch Krishna today, they kill someone tonight.

3/7 = must lynch.

Lynch Bot today, they kill tonight.

2/7= 1 "Spare" lynch

No thanks, I'll take my chances with the more suspicious of the two.

Armlx, how do you know the mafia have three people. For all we know there could be two groups with two members. That puts you higher on my list of suspicion.
Right now Coolbot's claim is a little fishy. What power is better then a cop investigation. I think that a likely possiblity would be Coolbot framing Krishna and we lynch a townie (Krishna) and then at night the mafia get however many kills. He could be sacrifising himself to get 2 more kills. The reason I feel this way is because Coolbot frames Krishna, and doesn't want to give a false investigation or something so he says he used an item. It is also possible that the item was automatic and he had to use it.

[LordKrishna]

Alright now we're getting somewhere. I think we should hold off on the Coolbot lynch until Krishna gets a chance to defend.

I don't have a defense. It's not like I'm going to counter-claim cop (or some other spectacular thing) when I'm a townie. That's just ridiculous. For reasons, please see the earlier posts referenced, as they should be helpful guides to the CoolBot v. LordKrishna accusation. (My last post has the two I found, and armlx's 'Notes' post has a few more).

Basically, CoolBot has been after me the whole game, and I've exposed him for it, and armlx realized it, too (he was on CoolBot's bandwagon against me in the last Day cycle, but must have eventually realized that CoolBot's assertions just didn't add up). Now CB's claiming cop to ensure that I get lynched, leaving three Mafia lying in wait for the next night and day. Don't let him do this.

Assasin, it's likely that there are three Mafia, as we started with 12 people. 2 out of 12 would be ridiculously under-powered, and 4 (as in your "2 groups of 2" assertion) would be ridiculously over-powered.

-K

[CoolBot]

The item I used was a protective one, since Iammers decided to let everyone know I had a role. I thought it was in the town's best interest since a doc was unlikely to protect me Day 2. There are probably investigative items anyway, so I don't see the loss of one investigation that big of a deal.

[kleimar]

The loss of an investigation is a great deal, as it will give us some confirmed innocents.
However I can understand you choose to protect yourself. We have little use for a dead cop.

And Krishna, it is not all that strange for Coolbot to be after you when he has found you guilty in an investigation.

[SapphireVerde]

unvote

He says he's a cop, but is he a sane cop? He might be insane so i'm not sure yet. But he's still a cop i guess. Since no one counter claims I'm going with the fact he's innocent.

[armlx]

Ok, Assassin, heres why there are most likely only 3 mafia and 1 killing group. We only have had 1 night kill so far, meaning a lot of correct guessing docs. Even with Med Pack, there have only been 3-4 docs a night, so even assuming there are 4 docs who didn't protect mafia that is a 1 in 8 chance of there being two killing groups. If there are 2 killing groups the chances of a doc protecting a mafia are 1/3. For each mafia member protected, the chances decrease. Also, you have to consider mafia crossfire. All in all, I am suspicious of you for saying that. All the odds point to 1 killing group, unless you know something we don't.

Also, when did Iammars say you had a role? Can I get a post or page number?

[Assasin]

Ok, Assassin, heres why there are most likely only 3 mafia and 1 killing group. We only have had 1 night kill so far, meaning a lot of correct guessing docs. Even with Med Pack, there have only been 3-4 docs a night, so even assuming there are 4 docs who didn't protect mafia that is a 1 in 8 chance of there being two killing groups. If there are 2 killing groups the chances of a doc protecting a mafia are 1/3. For each mafia member protected, the chances decrease. Also, you have to consider mafia crossfire. All in all, I am suspicious of you for saying that. All the odds point to 1 killing group, unless you know something we don't.

Also, when did Iammars say you had a role? Can I get a post or page number?

Armlx I'm not saying that your wrong, I'm just saying that there is always a possibility and we can never be sure. There are other evil roles too you know, Cultist or something is always possible.

[armlx]

Hmm, I don't know what a cultist is and its not in the Wiki. Can you explain it?

[Crola]

Vote Count

1 Kleimar

(Locus)

2 LordKrish

(Coolbot, Kleimar)

2 Coolbot

(armlx, LordKrish)

0 No Lynch

4 Not Voting

(Warp, Assasin, Strykker, Sapph)

5 to lynch

armlx, check this Link. This is the Wiki of all roles ever, Cult is the second one from the top.
http://mafiascum.net/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?All_Roles[/url]

[CoolBot]

Can anyone confirm they have a night action in their ability?

So you think no one has any night actions? Why do you think that? I already said I had a role independent of my items:

Why does everyone assume the mafia need a gun to kill? My role doesn't need any item to work.

Krishna, I have not been going after the entire game; only since day 2. I certainly should've gone after Day 1 due to your no lynch suggestion. In fact, usually I do just that, but I decided to give you the benefit of the doubt. My mistake.

[Locus Cosecant]

I'm not really sure what to make of this cop claim, but it seems pretty clear to me that kleimar is scum. My vote is that we lynch kleimar today, and see what CoolBot comes up with tonight to help parse for possible sanity issues or CoolBot's lying issues. Kleimar has clearly been lying to the town; no, it's not a given that the mafia need a gun to kill, but given the extraordinarily shifty way in which kleimar responded to being called out on his ammo purchase, it seems likely.

[armlx]

Bah. If kleimar lives tonight and is mafia and he hits and mafia hits, town loses. Chances are low, but still. Meh, screw it. I don't trust 'Bot at all. Or Locus. Bah, whatever. It's safer to kill a accused mafia with an extra kill. If he turns out good, we kill Locus tommorow. We should hopefully prevent the kill tonight with med packs, and no one else wants to lynch Bot so

Unvote

Vote kleimars

We will see what happens tonight before anything else.

[Crola]

Vote Count

2 Kleimar

(Locus, armlx)

2 LordKrish

(Coolbot, Kleimar)

1 Coolbot

(LordKrish)

0 No Lynch

4 Not Voting

(Warp, Assasin, Strykker, Sapph)

5 to lynch

The real reason for this post is for the NEW UPDATE, but I figure I'd put the Vote Count in too.

[SapphireVerde]

Well, I thought scum was either Kleimar or coolbot. Since coolbot is our standing cop I'm going with kleimar as scum.

vote: Kleimar

[CoolBot]

I found scum. If you believe I'm a cop, why aren't you voting LordKrishna? There's no reason to let this wait until Day 4.

[kleimar]

I indeed cannot understand why you would lynch me Coolbot has already found scum. However three votes seems to me like a reason to claim. I am the smart guy, a back up cop. As a night action I can see who or what the cop investigated. I have seen the cops investigations and they are the same as coolbot claimed, that together with is voting behaviour makes me confirm coolbots role.

I say we lynch Krishna today, and hope that our doc will be lucky tonight.

[SapphireVerde]

Hold on, I apologize. I havent been reading the posts very well.

unvote

I'll re-read the posts. I'll post again soon.

[armlx]

Very well. No one will lynch kleims or 'Bot. Though if LK is good you guys are next to be lynched. Towns basically screwed right now if 'Bot and kleims are mafia, but whatever.

Unvote

Vote LordKrishna

@ Kleimars: Does a gun + ammo take up 1 or 2 item slots? I have a crap load of $ and I think town needs a vig around now.