[OLD] Open Setup Ideas and Discussion

[ortolan]

I need some game ideas people. Hit this page today with what you want to see. Carbon 14 is a possiblilty

Please give Delayed Reaction a go. People will love it due to its unconventional setup. I also see a mafia or town win as equally likely. I will mod if necessary (I'm aware that's not really a possibility). Most of the issues I've seen with it were extremely nitpicky (and I'd suggest the proposed improvements were inferior to the original) and frankly all setups on this site are balanced towards one side or another. I think this is at least as good as most other open setups.

[yabbaguy]

Feels a lot like a Theme game, ortolan. That's just me.

[Pyromaniac]

[quote="KaleiÐoscøpe"]Vengeful - Jester+Lyncher:

1 Jester
1 Lyncher with Jester target
3 Townies with vengeful kill upon lynch

Selfvoting not allowed.[/quote]
Who is the jester supposed to vote in townie jester lynch? It ends up in a stalemate with no one hammering anyone else.

[nhammen]

Nobody ever commented on the setup I proposed: F11+SK

So I will specify it some more. Even though I never got a chance to write that program I was going to.

F11+SK
Take the standard F11 setup, and add 2 townies and an SK. This makes 12 players. The SK is always NK immune and if there is a roleblocker, he is RB immune.

What do people think?

[ortolan]

Feels a lot like a Theme game, ortolan. That's just me.

Personally I don't feel it is any more "themed" than any of the open setups which e.g. feature jesters prominently. It is quite standard, it just has a modified night-kill/investigation dynamic

[Kelly Chen]

Do we have yet stats on how often sides are winning in F11?

My thought about F11+SK is that I wouldn't want to be the mafia.

[le Chat]

Cats and Dogs

13 player open game with three factions, the Town full of humans, the Cat meowfia, and the Dog werewoofs. Cats and Dogs each have a night-kill, though Cats will fail to kill Dogs as they are too scary, and Dogs will fail to kill human Townies (their 'best friends') until there are no more Cats alive to distract them. The Dog-Catcher can investigate someone each night to determine whether they are Dog or Not-Dog, and since the Dog-Catcher is not in any way a Dog's 'best friend,' the Dog-Catcher can be night-killed by either faction.

1. Dog-Catcher
2. Townie
3. Townie
4. Townie
5. Townie
6. Townie
7. Townie
8. Cat meowfia
9. Cat meowfia
10. Cat meowfia
11. Dog werewoof
12. Dog werewoof
13. Dog werewoof

I would really appreciate help in furthering the design of this setup. I wanted to design a two-family game that had a mechanic almost like from the old television cartoon the Snorks (with Snorks, Snork eaters, and Snork-eater eaters) but still each faction was independent of the other two. I like how a failed Cat kill will tell them their target is a Dog, and how a failed Dog kill will tell them their target is a Townie (and neither the Dog-Catcher nor a Cat), until all Cats are eliminated. This is the reason why there are no protecting roles.

Two questions I might pose to people interested or willing to help are:
1. I thought about making the Dog-Catcher too scary for a Cat to successfully kill. This would mean that a failed Cat kill will tell them their target is either a Dog or the Dog-Catcher, akin to how a failed Dog kill will tell them their target is neither a Cat nor the Dog-Catcher.
2. I thought about the 'man's best friend' clause and I wonder if Dog's should ever be able to kill a Townie. I guess this is just balance.

Thanks :3

Edit, more possible questions:
1. Is 3:3:7 too scumfilled? Should it be 2:2:7 or something? Or some kind of variation? Also, if 12 is the maximum number of players allowed in an Open Setup, then :s maybe it is necessary to tweak the numbers.

im sorry if this is redundant, but did i ask this in the wrong place?

[Kelly Chen]

The scum ratio seems quite high.

It seems like the dog-catcher shouldn't be too eager to out dogs, since dogs purely kill cats otherwise.

Regarding the questions
1. If the cats can't kill the dog-catcher this will usually help the cats.
2. If a dog can never kill a townie then the dogs probably rely on the cats to kill them off. If the cats die too soon then the dogs basically play nightless

12 isn't the maximum for an open setup. If it's beyond that it will just go into a different forum.

[Scigatt]

Almost Nightless

3 Mafia
9 Doctors

Each scum, in addition to their collective kill, has an individual kill (so the mafia has 4 kills to start). The mafia can stack up kills, and a person is NK'd if the kills exceed protections. I talk about the mechanic in this thread.

[Cass]

4. Pairanoia - 12 players, 3 maf, 9 town

• Mason pair
  Lover pair
  Tracker pair
  Doc pair
  Bulletproof pair (survive 1 kill/night)
  Vig pair

Three mafia are randomly distributed among the pairs, with no more than one mafia per pair. All pairs can daytalk only. The mafia can nighttalk only. (

Or maybe let everyone talk all the time? Not really sure what would be the most balanced

.)

The pairs with a PR

have

to work together to succeed. Both must send the mod the same target, or the action fails. If one of a pair dies, the other loses the ability and becomes vanilla/goon.

The second of a pair to die flips vanilla/goon.

If the two bulletproofs are both targeted in the same night, they both die.

If a mixed pair are the only one alive, mafia wins (even if it's vigs or bp's), because the scum is just meaner and backstabs his partner However, if the lover pair is mixed, they win - in addition to their town/scum wc - if they're the only two players left.

[Empking]

Cult Basic

1 Cult

1 Recruitment Immune Townie
5 Townies

[farside22]

I need some game ideas people. Hit this page today with what you want to see. Carbon 14 is a possiblilty

Please give Delayed Reaction a go. People will love it due to its unconventional setup. I also see a mafia or town win as equally likely. I will mod if necessary (I'm aware that's not really a possibility). Most of the issues I've seen with it were extremely nitpicky (and I'd suggest the proposed improvements were inferior to the original) and frankly all setups on this site are balanced towards one side or another. I think this is at least as good as most other open setups.

The game seems more theme then open

[Taranski]

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php ... tcount=204

Was trying to develop a new open set up designed to play over aim. similar to [vengeful, lynch, and lovers]. Started from a joke over the song "Lovers and friends"

[a cold starry night]

Sanjay and I were working on an open setup, might post it later if I'm feeling brave enough.

[Sanjay]

Yup. It has a jester and flirts with cultish elements, both of which are pretty hard to balance. So any extra eyes would be appreciated.

[a cold starry night]

Roles are:
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1 Super Killer
1 Jester Necromancer
1 Paladin Townie
1 Necro Lyncher
3 Oneshot Town Vigs
5 Vanilla Townies
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The Jester Necromancer wins if he is lynched or if his zombies outnumber the town. Every night he must select a known dead person to resurrect. These people become zombies. Zombies cannot vote and do not make up for the total player count, but they can still post in the thread and strategize and try to help their team. Zombies do not retain their original abilities. If you are killed or lynched, please do not leave the game, you can be revived and still participate. You cannot vote no-lynch in this game.

Super Killer Role PM:

You're a badass killing machine. To satiate your thirst for blood, you must kill one person per night. PM me who you wish to kill with KILL TARGET. Also, once in the game, during the day, you can make a daykill with KILL TARGET. You're even allowed to kill yourself! If you use this ability it'll end the day. You're allowed to kill zombies. You win when the Jester Necromancer and the Townies are eliminated. Stupid zombies cant mess with you. Psh. Also, if you die, your role is revealed as vanilla townie AND you get a new win condition: You win when the zombies outnumber the town.

Jester Necromancer Role PM:

You are one crazy clown necromancer, I tell you what. Once during the night, if there are dead people, you must choose one to resurrect. PM me you who you wish to resurrect with ZOMBIFY TARGET. You win the game if you are lynched, or if your zombies outnumber the town.

Paladin Townie Role PM:

You look like an average townie, but within you lies a great, holy power. If you cast the last vote on a lynch that hammers the jester necromancer, you and the town win the game.

Necro Lyncher Role PM:

For too long you have chased the elusive Jester Necromancer. You must put a stop to his reign of terror. If you hammer the Jester Necromancer, you win the game and everybody else loses. If the Jester Necromancer dies, you become a vanilla townie.

Oneshot Townie Vig Role PM:

You have a gun. With one bullet. You will use it if necessary. KILL TARGET during the day. You're allowed to kill zombies. Using this ability will end the day. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Vanilla Townie Role PM.

You are a Vanilla Townie. You've only got your wits in this one. You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

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Win conditions by tier:
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(1)Lyncher Cop trumps Jester Necromancer and wins the game if he correctly hammers, everyone else loses.
(2)Paladin Townie enables town win if he hammers Jester Necromancer.
(3)Jester Necromancer wins if he is lynched, if his zombies outnumber the town, or if all killing roles and the paladin/lyncher are out of the game.
(4)Super Killer wins if he is the last name standing. Or, if he dies and is zombified, wins with the rest of the zombies when they outnumber the town.
(5)Townies win when all non-townies are dead.
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Thanks in advance to anyone who spends some time looking it over. <3

[Netlava]

Almost Nightless

3 Mafia
9 Doctors

Each scum, in addition to their collective kill, has an individual kill (so the mafia has 4 kills to start). The mafia can stack up kills, and a person is NK'd if the kills exceed protections. I talk about the mechanic in this thread.

I'm not sure how balanced that would be, but it sounds fun.

[Netlava]

Anyways, I was wondering why watchers & trackers were relatively rare, and that may be because they're a bit overpowered in non open set-ups, so I thought of the following:

1 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia Roleblocker
1 Watcher
1 Tracker
3 Townies

[Netlava]

I'm not sure how well the zombie mechanic will work, as I think zombies don't really help the team much by being able to post in the thread, but not being able to vote.

[Scigatt]

Almost Nightless

3 Mafia
9 Doctors

Each scum, in addition to their collective kill, has an individual kill (so the mafia has 4 kills to start). The mafia can stack up kills, and a person is NK'd if the kills exceed protections. I talk about the mechanic in this thread.

I'm not sure how balanced that would be, but it sounds fun.

Does anyone have any other suggestions for this? I'd like to see someone run a version of this setup.

[Taranski]

for people to lazy to click a link:

Lovers and Friends2:
2 Mafia lovers
1 Mason recruiter, dies if recruits mafia
4 vanilla townie

does have a night

Lylo if mason recruits wrong and if mafia kills VT at night

If mason recruits and is nightkilled, the recruit will know he was a recruit. [Not sure if this would be smart to do. D2 would be 2 mafia, 2 townie, 1 recruitee. Who can claim or be cced]

Recruiter can no recruit.

Not sure I town NL should be allowed

if d1 lynch townie, n1 mafiakill townie d2 becomes 2 mason vs 2 scum and 1 town.
Both groups would claim mason, townie would become pivot

very similar mechanics to lovers, and generally the same mindset is needed. Some games will play exactly like lovers. The mason recruiter, and mafia nightkill adds another element.

I really like this set up and I think it's just as balanced as lovers. I tested it 4 times the other day, and 2 were mafia win 2 were town win

[farside22]

first no to the zombie game. That is not a normal set up and sounds more like a theme game.
Second this game.

Anyways, I was wondering why watchers & trackers were relatively rare, and that may be because they're a bit overpowered in non open set-ups, so I thought of the following:

1 Mafia Goon
1 Mafia Roleblocker
1 Watcher
1 Tracker
3 Townies

I feel this set up is more ballance in favor of town the scum. A track and a watch while the mafia have 2 players. I just see this as a clear town win all the way thru.

[Empking]

1 Ninja
1 Goon

1 Watcher
1 Tracker
3 Townies

[Mr. Flay]

Ninjas can't be Tracked or Watched, I assume?

[Empking]

Ninjas can't be Tracked or Watched, I assume?

Yeah.