StrangerCoug's Worst Nightmare: D├®j├á Bastard (Game over!)

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE COUNT

Datadanne (2): Faraday, Muffin
Malcolm (1): OpposedForce
~Jordan` (3): Malcolm, X_~, Fishythefish
RayFrost (1): Mufasa
Tjoe Min Ja (3): Col.Cathart, Raivann, ~Jordan`
X_~ (2): Sociopath, Bogre
Not voting (5): Datadanne, Drench, Tjoe Min Ja, LlamaFluff, RayFrost

With

17

players alive, it takes

9

players to lynch.

[StrangerCoug]

Mufasa and OpposedForce are prodded.

[Tjoe Min Ja]

@fishy - 143 : I do some "quick" look and when people joinwagoning with "less/no" reason....that ring alarm in my head. there are different between OMGUS (it's more likely to be personal opinion and inaccurate) and thoughtful contemplation

I just wanna test ravinn's response and it seem he can't answer it

My first game as scum I tried to cast suspicion on players by accusing them of wanting a quicklynch.
Actually I do want a quicklynch of Tjoe.

that's WIFOM...in general quicklynch is anti town

[Col.Cathart]

My first game as scum I tried to cast suspicion on players by accusing them of wanting a quicklynch.
Actually I do want a quicklynch of Tjoe.

Lynch? Understandable, at least from my point of view. But why quick?

[RayFrost]

Hey all, I'm really busy with all my games and stuff. >.> I think I replaced into a couple too many. I'll get to a post sometime tomorrow, J-time, I promise. As it is, I'm not letting myself be replaced in any game I'm in >.<

Yeah, sorry.

[Raivann]

My first game as scum I tried to cast suspicion on players by accusing them of wanting a quicklynch.
Actually I do want a quicklynch of Tjoe.

Lynch? Understandable, at least from my point of view. But why quick?

1. I think he's scum
2. This game could use some quickness
3. It will help Muffin keep track of players.

[Raivann]

zzz... see what I'm saying CC?
I also support Jordan lynch, BTW.

[Tjoe Min Ja]

My first game as scum I tried to cast suspicion on players by accusing them of wanting a quicklynch.
Actually I do want a quicklynch of Tjoe.

Lynch? Understandable, at least from my point of view. But why quick?

1. I think he's scum
2. This game could use some quickness
3. It will help Muffin keep track of players.

the same thing goes to you
especially because you still want to do it "quick"

[Mufasa]

unvote

thanks been a busy week

[Malcolm]

I realize I'm a bit behind. I will post as I go, so if anything I say is already covered, you'll at least know what I was thinking as I first read it. My stances may change if something groundbreaking happens two pages later.

I dont want him quick lynched, but getting a few more votes right now could only do more good then harm. Excuse me for being intentionally vauge, but its best if your opponents dont know if you have a monster hand or if you are bluffing.

If you want to add more against Data then just being a great wagon, you can always say something like...

Data is more interested in defending himself against something that he doesnt know the backing to instead of scumhunting. Data is not sure if he should be trying to get me lynched in hopes that I dont have anything on him, or is afraid to do so given that running me up would cause me to show why I want a wagon on him. Even something like... the entirety of his contribution to the game is "llama; scum or jester".

Go go gadget wagon.

I have 2 problems with this post.

1: In the first paragraph you make it clear you are being intentionally vague on purpose. This sort of statement hurts the town much more than it helps. The scums biggest advantage on the town is information, so it really does not hurt them at all if you are being vague. It actually helps direct them toward a possible power role in the event that you alluding to a claim. It would appear you are trying to use an experience edge you have over other members of the town to leverage yourself into a nice position of being able to make vague comments while controlling lynches. You are not going to fool me so easily. I am extremely wary of you atm.

2: The second paragraph appears to be you attacking data on false premises. You know good and damn well that your original wagon had no validation (outside of role related info), and you are here trying to validate it by responses after the wagon. There is nothing pro-town about that. You are trying to bend the after-effects to the crime.

I'm not ready to move off of Jordan yet, but like I said, this sort of posting makes me wary.

[Malcolm]

Vote:Datadanne

I like wagons. Llama seems pretty confident in this being a good wagon so what the hell.

That's extremely lazy, and just as terrible.

[Malcolm]

@data - Are you a miller, gravedigger, etc? Anything that if I am an investigative role could of given me a bad result.

Are you softclaiming here? Don't answer with 'FIIIIIIIIISHING' or 'OMG[insertclaimhere]', please, but is it really necessary to embark upon that type of speculation? Also, why are you dodging my earlier question?

Of course im not softclaiming. I want to know if I am softclaiming here, if he is going to just claim something like that where stuff gets fairly uncomfortable. Also I just missed your early question.

Llama, what do you mean by 'this is so entertaining'? If I'm right about your answer, why did you feel the need to post just that when there was more?

Because its very entertaining. Last time I was in a night start game, I really dont feel I played that great (even though I totally had one scum nailed before I got killed and no one followed it up), so I want to switch it up in this game.

Plus I love all the reactions im getting. My mind is just going crazy with what they can mean, I would almost be down for a Data lynch/vig purely for information at this point.

Also I do realize the threats of sanity if I am a cop. If im a watcher/tracker that does not apply though. Thats why I asked if data is a gravedigger, those have shown up at times.

If you are not soft claiming, then why are you trying to get him to send out some role info?

[Malcolm]

FoS Raivann

Why the FOS and no vote?

It is apparent to me that he is trying to give tacit approval to a potential wagon, while still being disconnected in the event Raivann gets mislynched. Strike 2.

[Malcolm]

Yeah, his post is about as scummy as it gets

Vote: Tjoe Min Ja

Elaborate if you havn't already.

[Malcolm]

Well actually i was trying to imply that my vote somehow always ends in bad luck/always wrong. But I see what you mean.

I made my vote b/c Tjoe is a player I find suspicious. Its only the third vote in such a bandwagon, so I did it mostly to increase pressure (isn't that what we're supposed to do?)

And now you are trying to give an excuse for when a lynch you are on turns up wrong. Does anyone else see this?

[Faraday]

will catch up on this soon.

Weekend + Fifa 10 = busy

[LlamaFluff]

1: In the first paragraph you make it clear you are being intentionally vague on purpose. This sort of statement hurts the town much more than it helps. The scums biggest advantage on the town is information, so it really does not hurt them at all if you are being vague. It actually helps direct them toward a possible power role in the event that you alluding to a claim. It would appear you are trying to use an experience edge you have over other members of the town to leverage yourself into a nice position of being able to make vague comments while controlling lynches. You are not going to fool me so easily. I am extremely wary of you atm.

The reason being secrative in this game out the gate like I was, is that scum do not know if I have a power role or not that has a result on a player. Scum is the informed minority, but there are going to be people who have a 'head start' on them with role information, and if their partner is caught by it, they need to cut them loose.

By keeping my cards close to my chest, I force scum to make a guess about what they are, and possibly even make them bus a partner due to fear of getting fingered for defending them. Also join date really doesnt have too much to do with skill or experience on a whole. I know there are "more experienced" people then me who get lynched constantly, and newer players who I think are great players.

2: The second paragraph appears to be you attacking data on false premises. You know good and damn well that your original wagon had no validation (outside of role related info), and you are here trying to validate it by responses after the wagon. There is nothing pro-town about that. You are trying to bend the after-effects to the crime.

It was an attempt to just nudge a few people who I could tell were considering joining the wagon, onto the wagon. It also was intended to allow data to defend himself against information, in hopes of getting a better read on him, but ive already said, I think he is town, not going to lynch him today without something big happening in the meantime.

If you are not soft claiming, then why are you trying to get him to send out some role info?

"Bastard" games are known for having odd roles, or at least roles that can screw the town over if they follow the PR blindly (which is the part of them I like, usually they are just a bit too complex for my liking, see my last game I ran for a simple "dont follow the PR" game), oh yeah im rambling now.

Anywho...

Imagine the scenario where you are scum, and right off the bat, someone starts saying that they want you lynched, and they are not saying why. A first reaction to most people is "they are an information power role", and that needs to be counteracted. If they made the kill they need to figure out what they should be claiming, maybe they are afraid of it being a cop, they just see a threat they need to claim their way out of, since they are already caught.

Now, I intentionally gave Data a few "outs" for his role. I tried to word my question in a way that said "if you are not one of these roles, im going to claim and get you lynched". The hope was that a scum data would of jumped on this, to try and get me to look elsewhere for the time being, and kill me ASAP at night. Now, if he DID claim one of these roles, I would claim to not have something on him, and get him lynched under the premise that not only does this role have one of the previously stated roles in it, but I picked him out of the entire game, so if you even try to say 50% of all bastard games have one, its still at most a 2% chance this happened. It was the last piece of my trap, and nothing appears to be caught in it so I am moving on.

[Raivann]

Malcolm you just got pwned.

[Tjoe Min Ja]

^?

[LlamaFluff]

@Jordan and TMJ - Thought on who is scummy?

Im at somewhat of a intersection right now. I would be willing to make a decent bet that one of Jordan and Mufasa is scum at this point, TMJ is just confusing and I get a whole lot of newbie vibes from him. What allignment they are coming from is something I am not quite sure of yet though.

Actually I propose a new wagon

Vote Mufasa

You early on decide to move your RVS vote to Jordan (understandable) but you do not back it up at all. At the same time, you do not comment on what I am pushing at Data. Now this does to an exent fall into WIFOM of "scum knows data isnt scum, and just assume I got bad results", but I see scum just ignoring a hidden push on town for the most part, knowing that it cant end badly for them.

Now, later Mufasa removes his vote for no apparent reason, at the approximate time that the wagon he is on is picking up a little bit of speed. Again this is something I dont get. An event caused him to obviously think that Jordan was a good vote, and then things happened that in my mind would solidify a vote on Jordan, however he moved away from that wagon, without any reasoning again. These vote moves would be nice to have explained sometime soon.

[RayFrost]

I'm still alive, and I've found an intermission in the needing to post in other games... will finish reading this game and get back to yah...

also, nice to see yah again, LF

[SocioPath]

Its a good thing to follow me though, you have to realize im never scum if I dont replace in (I seriously have some ungodly porportion of being town in something like 18 of 20 games with one of the others being neutral).

Just a quick question...do you state that as fact in every game you're in? Or just ones where you think an appeal to probability is needed? I've read games you were in, your statements past role percentages didn't really come up much.

you have to realize im never scum

I find it hard to get past statements like that.

In fact, I'll think I'll vote you because of the fact it all could just as easily be a scum gambit.

Unvote
Vote: LlamaFluff

[LlamaFluff]

Its a good thing to follow me though, you have to realize im never scum if I dont replace in (I seriously have some ungodly porportion of being town in something like 18 of 20 games with one of the others being neutral).

Just a quick question...do you state that as fact in every game you're in? Or just ones where you think an appeal to probability is needed? I've read games you were in, your statements past role percentages didn't really come up much.

Ive brought it up a few times in games where I am town. It is ment in somewhat of a sarcastic tone though.

you have to realize im never scum

I find it hard to get past statements like that.

Well, even when I am scum I still tend to be somewhat town. I bus quite a bit, and as third part was more effective at getting scum lynched then town was. Still was sarcasam though.

In fact, I'll think I'll vote you because of the fact it all could just as easily be a scum gambit.

Ahh some substance, here we go.

How is it a scum gambit to do this? Especially when I cut him off before a claim outside of a anti-town town role. What do I gain from doing this as scum really, and why would I not do this as town, or at least as you are arguing, do this more likely as scum?

You are saying "because it

could

be a scum move" and just leaving it like that.

[Mufasa]

To answer your question as to why I put my vote on Jordan in the first place because Josh Lymans replacement did a better job at scumhunting than he was doing in rvs, so I jumped on the jordan wagon.
I jumped off the jordan wagon when it was diminishing not when it was picking up speed..

But looking at the game, all i get from you is making up rancorous theories and that doesnt help our scumhunting.

vote : Llamafluff

[Faraday]

I'm kinda caught up here, I don't see Llama starting the bandwagon as scummy, it was a good way to kick the game off, and I can see what he was trying to do, although perhaps data could have too.

Bringing up being town seems a null tell, to me. I've seen people of either alignment do it.

Ftr this seems standard-ish play from Tjoe.

Need to re-read Data's responses again, but am gonna leave my vote on him for the moment, still find the jester speculation to be scummy, and weird.