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Boxman · Post Post #375 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:07 am

Personally, I'd rather vig the guy who admitted he knew about a Hated Townie and didn't mention it while said Hated Townie was getting lynched.

But to each his own, I suppose.

Iecerint · Post Post #376 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:33 am

He's since claimed that it was just a ruse to get a "reaction" out of SX.

Boxman · Post Post #377 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:42 am

Oh. I missed that part of his post.

chamber · Post Post #378 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2009 7:55 am

Cobalts role needs to be replaced and vig boxman, then we need to lynch one of the other 3.

Iecerint · Post Post #379 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:05 am

Chamber, do you intend to clarify your list further? If so, please do so. If not, please say that you will not. I am inclined to believe that you should clarify it. If you are town, then scum already knows whether the list is real. If you are scum, then clarifying your list as much as possible prevents you from later saying your list wasn't as airtight as you're currently implying.

chamber · Post Post #380 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:20 am

Iecerint wrote:Chamber, do you intend to clarify your list further? If so, please do so. If not, please say that you will not. I am inclined to believe that you should clarify it. If you are town, then scum already knows whether the list is real. If you are scum, then clarifying your list as much as possible prevents you from later saying your list wasn't as airtight as you're currently implying.

Not everyone on my list is air tight, but its pretty damn close. DN is air tight. Bogre isn't air tight at all but my origonal list was for the vig so he was left off. I don't intend to clarify the air tightness of anyone else. I imagine there is a recruitment mechanic to undermine it in the long run. Its just a good way to catch original cultafia members and/or the cult leader.

Iecerint · Post Post #381 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:38 am

DN isn't even on your list. Is that what you're saying -- that players that aren't on your list are 100% not scum as of D1?

Why didn't you share this information with us yesterday? Is it a night ability? Is this an ability at all, or are you just using amazing powers of deduction?

I'm trying to avoid the case where we kill all 4 players on your list only to learn that you were scum all along and the game is over. <_<

Iecerint · Post Post #382 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:41 am

EBWOP: On second thought, do not clarify whether it is a night action. Do clarify where this list was yesterday.

chamber · Post Post #383 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2009 8:59 am

Iecerint wrote:EBWOP: On second thought, do not clarify whether it is a night action. Do clarify where this list was yesterday.

It was around yesterday, pyro was part of my short list though. No need to give scum info they don't need.

SpyreX · Post Post #384 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:21 am

Jesus H this game.

What part of that whole business Ort is the million to one referring to?

Empking · Post Post #385 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:38 am

Mafiassk replaces Cob

DeathNote · Post Post #386 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2009 10:53 am

Plz don't vig until reading everything SSK...

And WELCOME!!!

MafiaSSK · Post Post #387 (ISO) » Sat Nov 14, 2009 1:30 pm

I don't even know my own role...

MafiaSSK · Post Post #388 (ISO) » Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:58 am

Kay. I've gotten it. DN kill okay with everyone?

chamber · Post Post #389 (ISO) » Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:01 am

MafiaSSK wrote:Kay. I've gotten it. DN kill okay with everyone?

NO. Killing DN at this point is extremely anti town. EXTREMELY. Keep it to my short list damnit.

MafiaSSK · Post Post #390 (ISO) » Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:04 am

chamber wrote:
MafiaSSK wrote:Kay. I've gotten it. DN kill okay with everyone?
NO. Killing DN at this point is extremely anti town. EXTREMELY. Keep it to my short list damnit.

It was a joke. Note how DN said he didn't want me to vig immeadiately. Fail. Can we just take an unofficial vote of who you guys want killed? I'd like to use this as a direct second lynch.

chamber · Post Post #391 (ISO) » Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:06 am

MafiaSSK wrote:
chamber wrote:
MafiaSSK wrote:Kay. I've gotten it. DN kill okay with everyone?
NO. Killing DN at this point is extremely anti town. EXTREMELY. Keep it to my short list damnit.
It was a joke. Note how DN said he didn't want me to vig immeadiately. Fail. Can we just take an unofficial vote of who you guys want killed? I'd like to use this as a direct second lynch.

Consider myself to be voting unoffically for Boxman and/or spyre.

Iecerint · Post Post #392 (ISO) » Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:09 am

MS >> SX ~ BM > D

Primate · Post Post #393 (ISO) » Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:34 am

Icerint wrote:Primate, what are you thinking was up? Pyro basically just wasn't playing to win as far as I can see.

Don't know. However, he seems to be playing normally in his other games, and I find it very dubious that someone would just arbitrarily decide to get themselves lynched day 1 for absolutely no game related reason, and more to the point, in this game specifically, whilst continuing to play (what seems) normally, in his other, when up until this point he had just been objectionable in other games, not actively self destructive. He might have done it, I suppose, but it's just wierd. The issue at the time was more that his objectionable nature seemed intentional, and people were taking it at face value rather than try and find out what the intention was.

Other thing that is weird is Deathnote admitting to Spyrex, *after* the flip, that he knew Pyro was hated and voted him anyway when there was no reason for scumdeathnote to actually disclose that information, and it in fact would have been to his benefit to say so. And, even if he was mafia and unlynchable, why would he *say* that, why would the attention possibly be better than no attention. But I've now read to the point where he said he was lying so take whatever you want from the above paragraph.

Vigvote BM, then MS or Spyrex. Don't really want you to vig Drench. Get claims before you daykill though.

Vote Pyromaniac

Testin a hunch, ignore me.

Iecerint · Post Post #394 (ISO) » Sun Nov 15, 2009 4:56 pm

SSK, I would personally be OK with you selecting your vig target even if some players haven't chimed in. It'll give us some information about your own thought process. If you insist on waiting, I encourage you to set a deadline by which everyone who intends to must have responded. Otherwise, players can make this drag on for ages, and we need time to discuss the aftermath of the vig.

SpyreX · Post Post #395 (ISO) » Sun Nov 15, 2009 6:42 pm

I'm still flabbergasted at the DN play being A-OK.

Who are we still missing around these parts?

(My one thing is before SSK TAKES a damn shot I'd like to give said person a chance to claim / etc)

Iecerint · Post Post #396 (ISO) » Sun Nov 15, 2009 7:58 pm

DN's play is awful if he is actually scum. He doesn't get anything out of it. Granted, it was pretty silly as town, too. It would bother me a lot more if chamber weren't claiming that DN was town yesterday 100%. Do you think that chamber is lying and/or scum? (If so, maybe DN thought you were scum, was privately outing himself to you, and is now backpedaling.)

Claims are nice. Don't know why it slipped my mind.

Iecerint · Post Post #397 (ISO) » Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:10 pm

EBWOP: On second thought, DN's play, though odd, could've been a neat gambit as town. Maybe he intended to see whether SX would share his alignment with town. Failure to do so would've caught scumSX; however, because SX did disclose the information, either he's town or he's scum doing the town thing.

The problem with this interpretation is that DN voted SX presumably in part on the basis of his reaction to his gambit. This is odd because, if I'm analyzing the gambit properly, SX passed the test implicit in the gambit. DN, could you clarify how SX's response to your revelation led you to vote him?

Bogre · Post Post #398 (ISO) » Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:31 pm

Shoot Boxman.

DeathNote · Post Post #399 (ISO) » Sun Nov 15, 2009 8:32 pm

Sure! Ok so here is the run down. I could night talk to two people, one was Pyro who is confirmed town and the other was Spy. I assumed one would have a strong chance of being scum and seeing as Spy is the only one left, I figured it would be him. After Pyro's death, he asked me if I could talk to him or if it was someone else. I thought about his for a moment and decided to see where it would lead. He jumped right on my "normal stupid scum" play and told the town all about my willingness to do nothing.

(I am not very good at convincing people so I doubt I could have saved Pyro if this was true anyway)

My next course of action was to openly admit scum. Why harm could come of claiming scum to someone in a private thread. It is just his word against mine. However, he did not jump right on this claim. Instead he prodded me for more information asking me, "Why I was telling him?" And also, "Ok, who is the other scum team?"

Damn... even I am not the stupid to reveal my buddies roles.

Judging from his questions, it made me suspicious. I understand that it is not damning evidence as any town player could have acted the same way, but it is something that made me curious... Not to mention I was already fairly convinced that either Spy or Pyro was scum.