Xyl's Anime Bastard Chaos - Game Over!

[chamber]

Unright is doing a very good job of looking pro-town right now, his vote on Snow_Bunny looks legit also. Voting him is real scummy. Cobalt's push of a policy lynch is very very easy and I could definitely vote him for it.

Personally I still don't mind the Zaz wagon. Tar's given me pro-town vibes so yer.

Could get behind Zaz, Cobalt or Snow_Bunny. She hasn't contributed much bar asking a bunch of questions, and I get the "could well be scum" vibe.

Im pretty sure the Zaz wagon is infinitely closer to a policy lynch than Unrights...

[ortolan]

Cobalt's reasons for voting him are policy

The Zaz wagon isn't policy lynch if you follow the "asking a whole bunch of questions then disappearing is a supertell" line of argument, which I kind of do. Remember I did say that I've never seen Zaz ask so many (very subjective looking) questions in a row before, and I'm skeptical they would genuinely help her determine alignment. That's ample legitimate scum-tell material (assuming you agree), making it not a policy lynch.

[Cobalt]

lolwut? there is absolutely nothing in my reasons for voting unright that could be described as "policy".

[chamber]

lolwut? there is absolutely nothing in my reasons for voting unright that could be described as "policy".

[Pomegranate]

I'd definitely like Zaz to show up...

[ortolan]

unright voted chamber for giving us information about a punisher role
there's no protown reason for doing that

That is policy, because it's not psychology.

[Cobalt]

That's nonsensical.

[Slicey]

lolwut? there is absolutely nothing in my reasons for voting unright that could be described as "policy".

What are your reasons, again?

[Cobalt]

unright voted chamber for giving us information about a punisher role
there's no protown reason for doing that

[Yuko Ichihara]

Day 1 Vote Count

ZazieR -

6

(Tarhalindur, dramonic, ortolan, Empking, forbiddanlight, DeathNote)
Unright -

5

(chamber, Sajin, Snow_Bunny, Bogre, Cobalt)
Tarhalindur -

1

(Boxman)
Slicey -

1

(ZazieR)
DeathNote -

1

(Slicey)
Snow_Bunny -

1

(Unright)

Not voting: Pomegranate

With 16 alive it will take 9? to lynch.

Deadline:

November 26

[Unright]

unright voted chamber for giving us information about a punisher role
there's no protown reason for doing that

So chamber states that he got a role PM that says "Hey chamber, there's a role in the game, of unknown alignment, that kills people if they know their name."

..and I'm scummy for questioning that?

Plus when I do question it, all I get is this:

From the towns perspective I could very well be the one with the deathnote. I'm not asking for amnesty. What I am asking for is what you expected me to do given that I am town and only have knowledge of its existence like I claim?

Which is nothing more than a fancy WIFOM.

The person who claims Psychiatrist early is usually the Serial Killer because it's a brilliant ballsy gambit.

[chamber]

unright voted chamber for giving us information about a punisher role
there's no protown reason for doing that

So chamber states that he got a role PM that says "Hey chamber, there's a role in the game, of unknown alignment, that kills people if they know their name."

..and I'm scummy for questioning that?

Plus when I do question it, all I get is this:

From the towns perspective I could very well be the one with the deathnote. I'm not asking for amnesty. What I am asking for is what you expected me to do given that I am town and only have knowledge of its existence like I claim?

Which is nothing more than a fancy WIFOM.

The person who claims Psychiatrist early is usually the Serial Killer because it's a brilliant ballsy gambit.

A fancy form of WIFOM? You have yet to answer me. If I am town and have the information I claim to have what did you want me to do?

Its already been talked about but this is inherently different from claiming psychiatrist. By claiming what I have I've made it significantly harder for the holder of the deathnote to do as he pleases. Claiming psychiatrist has no adverse effect on the sk who claims it.

[Unright]

A fancy form of WIFOM? You have yet to answer me. If I am town and have the information I claim to have what did you want me to do?

Its already been talked about but this is inherently different from claiming psychiatrist. By claiming what I have I've made it significantly harder for the holder of the deathnote to do as he pleases. Claiming psychiatrist has no adverse effect on the sk who claims it.

An SK claiming psychiatrist has a definite adverse on the SK because it reveals that an SK exists (and not a vig, for example). The situation in this game works exactly the same way.

Your telling us not to reveal our rolenames is not the grandstanding pro-town move that you claim it to be. I hopefully doubt that nobody is dumb enough to need a proper warning about the dangers of revealing their role name in a Bastard mafia game.

Plus you didn't reveal your information out of the goodness of your pro-town heart, you only did it (in a roundabout way) to defend why you were pro-mass origin claim. This continues to be a reason why I don't trust you. Why didn't you state your warning about a name-claim punisher role in a clear fashion in your very first post of the day?

[chamber]

A fancy form of WIFOM? You have yet to answer me. If I am town and have the information I claim to have what did you want me to do?

Its already been talked about but this is inherently different from claiming psychiatrist. By claiming what I have I've made it significantly harder for the holder of the deathnote to do as he pleases. Claiming psychiatrist has no adverse effect on the sk who claims it.

An SK claiming psychiatrist has a definite adverse on the SK because it reveals that an SK exists (and not a vig, for example). The situation in this game works exactly the same way.

Your telling us not to reveal our rolenames is not the grandstanding pro-town move that you claim it to be. I hopefully doubt that nobody is dumb enough to need a proper warning about the dangers of revealing their role name in a Bastard mafia game.

Plus you didn't reveal your information out of the goodness of your pro-town heart, you only did it (in a roundabout way) to defend why you were pro-mass origin claim. This continues to be a reason why I don't trust you. Why didn't you state your warning about a name-claim punisher role in a clear fashion in your very first post of the day?

I'm not perfect. I honestly didn't think to claim it right away, I did as soon as I thought to, which was about the same time I started seriously thinking about the game, which was pretty damn early.

[dramonic]

Geez unright, get off your high horse. Weither Chamber has the deathnote or is like a psychiatrist, if we don't claim role names he cant do jack-shit.

[forbiddanlight]

Ok, I'll read whatever I missed tomorrow. I'm still recovering from 40 hour sleep dep. The curtain looked like a tentacle monster at this point, so you know things were bad.

[Yuko Ichihara]

Day 1 Vote Count

ZazieR -

6

(Tarhalindur, dramonic, ortolan, Empking, forbiddanlight, DeathNote)
Unright -

5

(chamber, Sajin, Snow_Bunny, Bogre, Cobalt)
Tarhalindur -

1

(Boxman)
Slicey -

1

(ZazieR)
DeathNote -

1

(Slicey)
Snow_Bunny -

1

(Unright)

Not voting: Pomegranate

With 16 alive it will take 9? to lynch.

Deadline:

November 26

I will lock the thread sometime on November 26 (Thanksgiving), US Pacific time. All votes up until the thread is locked will count. If there is no majority day will end with no lynch.

[Snow_Bunny]

Well, after reading Zazie in iso, I can't say I found something inherently scummy. Just tons of questions, no much other than that, but it's more like active lurking than scumminess per se. Not that that isn't worth, but I prefer Unright now. Also, his reasons to vote me (if there are any) doesn't help him either.

[Slicey]

I like a Zazie lynch much more than an Unright lynch.

[Pomegranate]

I like a Zazie lynch much more than an Unright lynch.

Yes, I will vote her on Wednesday if that's what it comes to. I really don't like either wagon much.

[forbiddanlight]

Cobalt's reasons for voting him are policy

The Zaz wagon isn't policy lynch if you follow the "asking a whole bunch of questions then disappearing is a supertell" line of argument, which I kind of do. Remember I did say that I've never seen Zaz ask so many (very subjective looking) questions in a row before, and I'm skeptical they would genuinely help her determine alignment. That's ample legitimate scum-tell material (assuming you agree), making it not a policy lynch.

Further, a few of the questions were distracting and unnecessary.

Overall I see Zaz posting a lot of questions, not waiting for the answers, and I also find most of the questions don't lead anywhere scumhunting wise.

I don't understand the Unright wagon.

[Tarhalindur]

Well, after reading Zazie in iso, I can't say I found something inherently scummy. Just tons of questions, no much other than that, but it's more like active lurking than scumminess per se. Not that that isn't worth, but I prefer Unright now. Also, his reasons to vote me (if there are any) doesn't help him either.

FoS: Snow_Bunny

Active lurking (or, rather, IIoA) is a scum supertell - doubly so on Zazie, who has a fairly well defined town tell that he has not shown so far.

If/when Zazie flips scum, I'll be taking a close look at you (classic distancing move there).

However, I will note that we have two days to deadline, we need majority to lynch, and I for one do NOT want Day 1 to end in No Lynch. I'd prefer a Zazie lynch, but I'll settle for a Unright lynch (or any lurker lynch) if necessary.

On a related note: Unright, you are one of the vote leaders with two days left to deadline. Please claim series and abilities (I'm not sure whether we should claim names at this time). ZazieR, if you show up, same.

[Tarhalindur]

Cobalt's reasons for voting him are policy

The Zaz wagon isn't policy lynch if you follow the "asking a whole bunch of questions then disappearing is a supertell" line of argument, which I kind of do. Remember I did say that I've never seen Zaz ask so many (very subjective looking) questions in a row before, and I'm skeptical they would genuinely help her determine alignment. That's ample legitimate scum-tell material (assuming you agree), making it not a policy lynch.

Further, a few of the questions were distracting and unnecessary.

Overall I see Zaz posting a lot of questions, not waiting for the answers, and I also find most of the questions don't lead anywhere scumhunting wise.

I don't understand the Unright wagon.

The more salient point is that ZazieR failed to focus on ANYONE before flaking - that lack of focus is a HUGE scumtell coming from him (I caught Zazie using ONLY that tell in Inventor Mafia). I've done the total read; ZazieR is either 1) active all game, focusing very strongly on players who he thinks are scum; 2) a lurker for the entirety of the game; or 3) scum. There is almost NO middle ground here (especially when spamming gets involved).

The fact that "most of the questions don't lead anywhere scumhunting wise" is another good reason to lynch ZazieR - that's pretty much a TEXTBOOK example of IIoA. Likewise the fact that ZazieR is lurking - the ruleset STRONGLY encourages taking strong anti-lurker measures (I'm increasingly sure that Lynch All Lurkers is optimal play given the ruleset, to the extent that we should consider lynching lurkers above even the scummiest of active players*).

* - Mod meta moment: Xyl has noted his preference for Lynch All Lurkers in the past. While I can't be sure one way or the other, I would NOT be surprised if there is a punisher in the game that punishes failure to lynch or otherwise eliminate lurkers - ESPECIALLY with a ruleset where lurkers cannot be force-replaced.

[forbiddanlight]

The fact that "most of the questions don't lead anywhere scumhunting wise" is another good reason to lynch ZazieR - that's pretty much a TEXTBOOK example of IIoA. Likewise the fact that ZazieR is lurking - the ruleset STRONGLY encourages taking strong anti-lurker measures (I'm increasingly sure that Lynch All Lurkers is optimal play given the ruleset, to the extent that we should consider lynching lurkers above even the scummiest of active players*).

I am voting him you know

The more salient point is that ZazieR failed to focus on ANYONE before flaking - that lack of focus is a HUGE scumtell coming from him (I caught Zazie using ONLY that tell in Inventor Mafia). I've done the total read; ZazieR is either 1) active all game, focusing very strongly on players who he thinks are scum; 2) a lurker for the entirety of the game; or 3) scum. There is almost NO middle ground here (especially when spamming gets involved).

I see :S.

[dramonic]

we have more or less 24 hours to lynch someone, everyone not on either Unright or Zaz should GET THE HELL ON A WAGON.