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Post Post #575 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:33 am

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Crazy wrote: I don't see how it's scummy (like pablito pointed out.)
You may want to give pablito's thoughts on the topic a reread.
What I was referring to was this:
pablito wrote: Thinking more and more about the whole pov thing, I was thinking paltry as town, but it makes me thing of him more as scummy now. There was a bit too much willingness to use it, even before kmd went up. As for llama's reaction, I'd have to think harder on that one.
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Post Post #576 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:34 am

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Crazy wrote:
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Crazy wrote: I don't see how it's scummy (like pablito pointed out.)
You may want to give pablito's thoughts on the topic a reread.
What I was referring to was this:
pablito wrote: Thinking more and more about the whole pov thing,
I was thinking paltry as town, but it makes me thing of him more as scummy now.
There was a bit too much willingness to use it, even before kmd went up. As for llama's reaction, I'd have to think harder on that one.
Me too. What do you think the meaning of the bolded part is?
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Post Post #577 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:37 am

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Crazy, maybe I am reading your statement wrong.

Are you saying that you agree or disagree with pablito?

I think pablito was pointing out that there is an element of scumminess in Paltry's hasty decision to waste the POV.
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Post Post #578 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:38 am

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I think you just misunderstood my post. Pablito said that using the PoV was scummy; I said I don't really agree nor understand why.
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Post Post #579 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:38 am

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SlySly wrote:Crazy, maybe I am reading your statement wrong.

Are you saying that you agree or disagree with pablito?

I think pablito was pointing out that there is an element of scumminess in Paltry's hasty decision to waste the POV.
I'm saying I disagree with pablito.
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Post Post #580 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:39 am

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Ok, thanks for clarification!
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Post Post #581 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:13 am

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Cool, I'm glad you guys sorted out whatever I said.

As for paltry using the pov. I think it was used and from paltry's viewpoint, I think he truly thought both nominees were town-aligned and thusly used the pov.

What gets me and this is why I think the pov use can be seen as scummy: is that paltry (and others that advocated for the use of pov) didn't really think too much about what good can be taken out of a bad situation. They saw the bad bad bad part of the nominations, but eh - I think that this early in the game, we can easily use any situation and get information out of it. I see that paltry saw the opportunity to become town saviour by using pov. But even so, paltry said something about willing to go up to test the pov because of a possible counterclaim. The fact that paltry was willing to waste a pov to test the role and to disprove saber? That seems more scummy than the actual use of the pov. I think saber would've been quickest disproven by simply asking him "do you have the pov?" Actually, I need to look back to see who tried to suggest that saber had the pov. Done. Thus,
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No. What made HoHs fail in the first BB Mafia was that they went too far from the town's opinion and took full responsibility for the nominations. They started off well with a system, but an experienced player was seen as a good scumhunter and kept getting nominated, but he never actually nominated scum. Also, I think townies mostly had HoH if I remember correctly, it was good choosing by evicted people. What matters most is that the person is willing to take the forefront, and ask good questions while at the same time keeping their viewpoints transparent.


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Post Post #582 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:20 am

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Grandi did not post what you quoted him as posting, pablito.
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Post Post #583 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:21 am

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Wait, your FOS'ing me for covering bases?
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Post Post #584 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:31 am

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Grandi posted the application, I put my own responses in bold. He was not the author of those responses.

animorpherv, you were directly telling people that it was useless to vote saber because he had pov. I thought it was extremely clear that paltry was saying that he had pov. I doubt you didn't read that and you've never mentioned that you didn't see it. Therefore I believe that you were misguiding town by repeating that misunderstanding.
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Post Post #585 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:33 am

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replacement nominee vote count:

saberwolf (1) hewitt
Morph (1) Crazy

Note HOH must have a replacement nom in just about 3 hours from this point

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Post Post #586 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:34 am

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pablito, i figured out that the bolded parts are your answers to the HoH application after I posted that. Sorry about that.
pablito wrote: I like the ideas already set forth that HoH should be able to explain why they do not go with town majority, and it should be fully expected in advance. No surprise attacks, please
Llama is about to go up. I have already explained why but I will summarize. He has tunneled on me for most of his time in the game and he panic lobbied for Paltry to waste the POV when kmd was in no danger. zwet and saber both null tell reads from my perspective. If people don't want Llama put up, they should quickly present a case as to why someone else is scummy.
pablito wrote: Always two big suspects. One of the biggest ways to pick up information is to see how people react to the nominee vs. nominee situation. Will someone attack nominee B just because he wants to save nominee A? Therefore both nominees must be people that need to be examined more closely or someone that everyone needs to pick an opinion on.
I highly suspected kmd and Sens. That is why I put them up. I suspect hewitt far less than I suspected Sens. I suspect Paltry and Llama heavily for each of their parts in the POV wasting. Everyone else available for nomination is a null tell from my perspective. If you guys don't want Llama going up, convince me quick, time is running out.
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Post Post #587 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:44 am

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Still awaiting answer from kmd on this...
SlySly wrote: Llama is on the hotseat. What do you think of the POV being wasted on you when you had no votes on you? Think that decision was a little on the rushed side? If yes, what does that say to you?
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Llama's why did you ignore these questions?
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LlamaFluff wrote: Its an anti-lynch, not a policy lynch. That is why its so wrong. People arent going to saying "sens cause he is scummy" but "sens because he isnt kmd"
If it was town vs town, why weren't people going to vote kmd because he wasn't Sens? What made kmd the preferred townie to save over Sens? Was there maybe some actual basis about what I was saying about Sens?
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Post Post #588 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 10:55 am

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Thanks pabs.
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Post Post #589 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:06 am

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As I read the replacement suggestions so far:

zwet(2) - Mr. finch (non-participation, useless), animo (no reason given)
saber(1) - hewitt (policy lynch, suspects won't be helpful)
hewitt(1) - saber (because he wanted Sens, replacement should not have clean slate)
animo(2) - Llama (crap he pulled), Crazy (ani voted Sens due to Sens replacement request)

No clear consensus, null tell reasoning, and lots of people not offering suggestions/lurkfest. Please correct me if I have missed any or have any wrong.
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Post Post #590 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:10 am

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Can anyoen tell me why 2 people got replaced, and not 1 (kmd)?????
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Post Post #591 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:14 am

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animorpherv1 wrote:Can anyoen tell me why 2 people got replaced, and not 1 (kmd)?????
kmd got taken on the block with 0 votes against him in a hasty wasting of the POV by Paltry.

Sens got replaced in the game by hewitt while Sens was on the block. So, now hewitt is currently the only one on the block.
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Post Post #592 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:15 am

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EBWOP:

kmd got taken on = knd got taken off
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Post Post #593 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:15 am

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doh! you know what i mean.
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Post Post #594 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:16 am

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farside22 wrote:
replacement nominee vote count:

saberwolf (1) hewitt
Morph (1) Crazy

Note HOH must have a replacement nom in just about 3 hours from this point

This. Hewitt is not on the block, I am, and I don't know why.
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Post Post #595 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:19 am

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animorpherv1 wrote:
farside22 wrote:
replacement nominee vote count:

saberwolf (1) hewitt
Morph (1) Crazy

Note HOH must have a replacement nom in just about 3 hours from this point

This. Hewitt is not on the block, I am, and I don't know why.
This is farside's attempt at tracking the suggestion votes for who is to replace kmd on the block. Refer to my list, farside is just looking for bold post and missed a few. You are not on the block at this point.
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Post Post #596 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:23 am

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Oh, thanks.
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Post Post #597 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:27 am

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As I read the replacement suggestions so far (updated):

zwet(2) - Mr. finch (non-participation, useless), animo (no reason given)
saber(1) - hewitt (policy lynch, suspects won't be helpful)
hewitt(1) - saber (because he wanted Sens, replacement should not have clean slate)
snow_bunny(1) - saber (no reason given)
animo(2) - Llama (crap he pulled), Crazy (ani voted Sens due to Sens replacement request)

No clear consensus, null tell reasoning, and lots of people not offering suggestions/lurkfest. Please correct me if I have missed any or have any wrong.
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Post Post #598 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:31 am

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My reasons are the same as Finch's for zwet. Get rid of the person who isn't helping.

vote:zwet
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Post Post #599 (ISO) » Wed Dec 09, 2009 11:42 am

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As I read the replacement suggestions so far (updated again):

Llama(1) - SlySly (tunneling, lobby for waste of POV, ignoring questions)
zwet(2) - Mr. finch (non-participation, useless), animo (non-participation, useless)
saber(1) - hewitt (policy lynch, suspects won't be helpful)
hewitt(1) - saber (because he wanted Sens, replacement should not have clean slate)
snow_bunny(1) - saber (no reason given)
animo(2) - Llama (crap he pulled), Crazy (ani voted Sens due to Sens replacement request)

No clear consensus, null tell reasoning, and lots of people not offering suggestions/lurkfest. Please correct me if I have missed any or have any wrong.

Less than 2 hours till nomination deadline. Everyone get yours thoughts in now.
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