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Post Post #1625 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:17 pm

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Back. Scanned through, didn't see much that's actually interesting.

Hewitt again went into his fantasyland where he ignores direct links back to posts showing his ties with AM and claims there is no argument because he chose not to read it. His behavior is becoming extremely similar to Sens. Get pissed off, ignore posts that disagree with him, and make emotional outbursts to try and bully others to listen to him.

-Interesting use of PoV. If Pablito is a producer, then he probably knows I won't be noming him/his buddy. It's curious that Pablito and Hewitt traded the PoV. Is the PoV recipient told who gave him the PoV?

If Hewitt flips Producer, I can't see Pablito as Producer.

-Llama trying to "justify" selecting Hewitt was an obvious move. He clearly wants to protect his buddy Hewitt from being evicted tomorrow. His justification sounds like an attempt to hide his defense that once he flips; I will obviously be using Coup tomorrow and my targets have already been stated.

Vote: Llama


When Llama flips Producer, Hewitt is his obvious buddy. If he protects him from lynch tomorrow, then whoever gets picked as HoH after that, please do the right thing.

-KMD often holds a different opinion from the majority, this is regardless of his alignment. He has been consistent with his beliefs, which is more typical of his play as town than as scum. The sudden attacks on his target choice is suspicious given that those same objections really should have been aired much earlier if they were genuine concerns. Sound a lot more like setup for a D7 or D8 eviction of someone who has been generally considered a townie.
The Coup claim means nothing to me, I believe any player would've claimed having it.
BS. It is strictly better for a three man Producer scum to be quiet and not claim the Coup power. This is a probable scum slip. As a Producer, you know that any floaters or Chenbots (anyone not on your team) would be better off claiming the Coup than keeping it secret.
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Post Post #1626 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:18 pm

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I don't have much time this week. But I'm gonna
Vote: Crazy


If Llama flips producer, I'd be willing to go. It was my choice to have used the veto, so if Llama flips producer, there's only one choice for everyone. and I won't fight it. I still feel more town-vibes from Llama overall.

Crazy - tell me when I was strongly against Llama and then you have a case. But even when I stated that I thought Llama was most likely to be producer, it was by process of elimination and I stated that I wasn't sure on it. For you to spin that now makes me think you're scum because you feel more desperate flailing (as compared to Llama's desperate resignation). However, Kmd thinks that I purposely did it (flip flopped on llama) and it was pre-meditated (from what I've picked up). I think Kmd is justified in that statement even though you two seem to share the same thoughts on me being linked to Llama. Kmd has stated twice and for different reasons that I was linked to llama. Crazy only agreed with the second instance (and the weaker of the cases imo).

If I really was dead sure on Llama, I could've just vetoed him, you know. It was something I struggled with. Just look at how I interrogated Llama before I used the veto and how I stated that I just couldn't claim he was town, but I wanted to.

I struggled with using the veto. I felt I wasn't going to be lynched anyway, but I felt genuine Llama-town vibes when he knew he was going to be lynched. Crazy seems to never do much significant until he's up. I feel the same about both scum-wise right now so I'm saving Llama. Although Crazy's added punch against me reeks to me.
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Post Post #1627 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:23 pm

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Kast - yes I used pov well knowing that hewitt is going up tomorrow.

I really feel that hewitt and llama were both hinting heavily for veto to be used today. don't know what that means, but just stating it.
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Post Post #1628 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:27 pm

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Kast wrote:-Llama trying to "justify" selecting Hewitt was an obvious move. He clearly wants to protect his buddy Hewitt from being evicted tomorrow. His justification sounds like an attempt to hide his defense that once he flips; I will obviously be using Coup tomorrow and my targets have already been stated.
This is getting somewhat hard to respond to without mentioning your head and your ass and how they need to seperate. You have said, MULTIPLE TIMES, that you are using Coup tomorrow no matter who goes up. I want Hewitt up on the offchance that the town can either quicklynch you, or that someone gets modkilled today rendering coup useless. It doesnt matter who I put up really, but im going to put up someone symbolicly if all else fails.

Seriously, what are your reasons for voting me apart from me wanting you dead since early in this game? You have given nothing for me to even respond against except "he is obviously scum" for what basically boils down to a half OMGUS/half semantics over overthrow.
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Post Post #1629 (ISO) » Tue Jan 26, 2010 4:30 pm

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@mod -
If someone doesnt vote (modkill) what happens in respect to overthrow?
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Post Post #1630 (ISO) » Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:27 am

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LlamaFluff wrote:
@mod -
If someone doesnt vote (modkill) what happens in respect to overthrow?
If you didn't notice before. The person evicted is killed/lynched/evicted first.
Then any player that did not vote is mod killed.
With the game as it stands I would be screwing over the person with the coup if I modkilled today. So I won't modkill this round what I will do is automatically have anyone not voting nominated in the spot instead no matter what. I do this to encourage voting and playing the game.

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Post Post #1631 (ISO) » Wed Jan 27, 2010 5:38 am

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pablito wrote:Crazy - tell me when I was strongly against Llama and then you have a case. But even when I stated that I thought Llama was most likely to be producer, it was by process of elimination and I stated that I wasn't sure on it. For you to spin that now makes me think you're scum because you feel more desperate flailing (as compared to Llama's desperate resignation).
I don't want to talk absolute vs. relative now. Llama was on your list as
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likely to be a producer. Meaning that there was nobody else that you thought was
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likely to be a producer than Llama. That's all that really matters.

I was on your list as least likely to be a producer AND least likely to be a chenbot.

That's a major flip, and you can't deny that.
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Post Post #1632 (ISO) » Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:13 am

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Welp, I reread the last few pages. I don't like either of the noms, but Llama is slightly higher than Crazy. I'm not going to hammer just yet, since I'm hoping to let the discussion go a bit longer.
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Post Post #1633 (ISO) » Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:18 am

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Is anyone else having wicked posting issues in here?
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Post Post #1634 (ISO) » Wed Jan 27, 2010 7:38 am

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bv310 wrote:Welp, I reread the last few pages. I don't like either of the noms, but Llama is slightly higher than Crazy. I'm not going to hammer just yet, since I'm hoping to let the discussion go a bit longer.
You have any questions or anything I can answer? No one has asked me anything this entire time ive been up. Feel like people are more just trying to vote me out when they can.
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Post Post #1635 (ISO) » Wed Jan 27, 2010 2:38 pm

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Crazy - my inclinations were baed off of what Sior and ani said. And I think I was entirely mistaken in my analysis because it's not the most appropriate way to conduct an investigation. I should not solely go off of what Sir and ani said and ignore what you Crazy said.

Therefore I'm not a big fan of my previous analysis, especially since Kmd was supportive of it.
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Post Post #1636 (ISO) » Wed Jan 27, 2010 3:13 pm

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Mod: I'm moving to a new house, and thus I'm LA until new advice. I'll at least try to keep up.
Taking a long break from mafia games.

In honor of Erika Furudo, my first scum win (Umineko Mafia).
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Post Post #1637 (ISO) » Wed Jan 27, 2010 4:30 pm

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pablito wrote:Crazy - my inclinations were baed off of what Sior and ani said. And I think I was entirely mistaken in my analysis because it's not the most appropriate way to conduct an investigation. I should not solely go off of what Sir and ani said and ignore what you Crazy said.

Therefore I'm not a big fan of my previous analysis, especially since Kmd was supportive of it.
Okay, well, I wasn't a big fan of your original case, either. XD

I gotta think on this.
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Post Post #1638 (ISO) » Thu Jan 28, 2010 7:31 am

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Just a reminder to those that did not vote:

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Post Post #1639 (ISO) » Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:43 am

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I want Hewitt up on the offchance that the town can either quicklynch you, or that someone gets modkilled today rendering coup useless. It doesnt matter who I put up really, but im going to put up someone symbolicly if all else fails.
Obvlie. Picking Hewitt is not a "symbolic" gesture in any sense. You are directly contradicting yourself by stating it is for a mechanics reason (to try and get me lynched). That itself is a lie to hide your real reason, which is obviously to keep your buddy from getting evicted tomorrow.
Seriously, what are your reasons for voting me apart from me wanting you dead since early in this game? You have given nothing for me to even respond against except "he is obviously scum" for what basically boils down to a half OMGUS/half semantics over overthrow.
You are scummy and Pablito is not. You have ties with AM and Hewitt. One is confirmed scum, the other is obv-scum.

What are your reasons for thinking I am scum? You have promised since halfway through the game (when you started "suspecting" me) that you would put up a case. You have NEVER delivered on this promise. The closest you have come to a reason is admit that fear is a strong motivator and implying you were following Hewitt's fearmongering case.
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Post Post #1640 (ISO) » Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:45 am

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@Pablito-
When you were given PoV, does the mod tell you who gave it to you?
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Post Post #1641 (ISO) » Thu Jan 28, 2010 8:46 am

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@Mod-

Actually, that question should be better posed to the mod. When a player gives PoV to another player, is the recipient told who gave them the PoV?
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Post Post #1642 (ISO) » Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:18 am

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Kast wrote:
@Mod-

Actually, that question should be better posed to the mod. When a player gives PoV to another player, is the recipient told who gave them the PoV?
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Post Post #1643 (ISO) » Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:51 am

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Crazy wrote: Also, can you explain further why you think saber is town?
Ongoing game I saw part of.
pablito wrote: If Llama flips producer, I'd be willing to go. It was my choice to have used the veto, so if Llama flips producer, there's only one choice for everyone. and I won't fight it. I still feel more town-vibes from Llama overall.
Noted.
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Veto your buddy over yourself? I doubt that.
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Post Post #1644 (ISO) » Thu Jan 28, 2010 9:58 am

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Seeing as it's currently 2:58 here, I'm going to
VOTE: Llama
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Post Post #1645 (ISO) » Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:11 am

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Oh fuck. I hope this isn't too late.

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Post Post #1646 (ISO) » Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:14 am

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Llama's dead.

I'm not expecting anything, but I'm crossing my fingers.
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Post Post #1647 (ISO) » Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:20 am

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3:00 pm PST. I panicked for nothing. Still got an hour and a half
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Post Post #1648 (ISO) » Thu Jan 28, 2010 10:28 am

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Sigh...

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Post Post #1649 (ISO) » Thu Jan 28, 2010 11:14 am

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With a vote of 3 to 2 Llamafluff you have been evicted from the BB house.
Please pack up your shit and get the fuck out.

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