Big Brother Mafia - Town wins!

[farside22]

Welcome to the HOH competition.
Today's competition will be based on questions about what you have seen in the house. The person who answers the most questions correctly wins.

Results
pablito had 2 questions correct
Crazy had 2 questions correct
Snowbunny had 1 questions correct

So far we have a tie
BV310 had 4 questions correct
Hewitt had 5 questions correct.
Can Kast take over Hewitt.

Kast had 2 questions correct

That means Hewitt is the new HOH today.

I have decided to give this game a boost. The HOH now has 5 days to decide who to nominate but the vote will still last 7 days.

Hewitt as current HOH you have 5 days from this post (deadline Feb 2nd, 2:30pm) to place in bold your 2 nominee's

[bv310]

Wowzers. Figured Llama for a floater, not producer #2. Go team.

[Crazy]

You PWN, Kmd.

I should have realized - simple logic:

-Llama is never lynched when he is pro-town.
-Thus, lynch him, and he will be scum!

That makes pablito likely scum, probably, but his "If Llama is scum, then you're free to lynch me," kind of trips that up.

I'd

Vote: pablito

and

Vote: SnowBunny

Kast has coup so it's useless nominating him, I don't think Kmd is scum after that, either (I never thought he was a likely chenbot.) As for bv, I'm trusting in Kmd's judgment based on that unknown ongoing game. (Honestly, scum wouldn't lie about something like that.)

[Kast]

@Crazy-
I don't see how you can possibly ignore Llama's last act:
-Select buddy who is going to be nominated and make him immune to eviction.

Hewitt is the obv last producer. He and Llama have been trying to get rid of Coup because they know I would have used it to get rid of Hewitt.

Since Hewitt is immune to lynch today, it would be best to hit the last chenbot. BV(saber) is the best bet for this. I am also ok with an SB eviction, but I think that SB as chenbot is much less likely than BV as chenbot. I don't see a majority of players agreeing to a BV eviction until after SB is lynched, however, with the second producer evicted, we have enough time to lynch both and still win.

Those are the two I am planning to nominate.

For reference, here is my ordered scumlist:
hewitt
bv310
snow_bunny

pablito
Crazy
Kmd
Kast

[Crazy]

@Crazy-
I don't see how you can possibly ignore Llama's last act:
-Select buddy who is going to be nominated and make him immune to eviction.

That's WIFOM. You could also note that hewitt would be the least likely to nominate pablito. *shrug*

Though yeah, hewitt being scum is a possibility.

[Kast]

I won't be around this weekend. Unless anything very compelling happens today, I plan to use Coup and nominate BV and SB tomorrow. I'm not completely decided on SB since I would prefer a BV eviction. It probably doesn't matter since we have enough mislynches to get both of them without putting town in danger.

[Kast]

Also as a note on my scumlist, Pablito is only above Crazy for the weak possibility that Hewitt is not the final Producer. If Hewitt is the final Producer, then Pablito moves equal or below Crazy.

At this point, I see KMD as nigh-confirmed town.

@Crazy-
It is not WIFOM. In one case, it is strictly bad, in the other case it is strictly good.

Its more of a symbolic thing then anything else since Kast is going to be taking over no matter what,

This is the key point. Llama scum

knows

that Kast will use Coup to get Hewitt evicted.

If Hewitt is his buddy, then selecting him as HoH is the ONLY way his team has a chance.

If Hewitt is not his buddy, then he has no incentive whatsoever to select Hewitt. Doing so lowers his partner's chance of survival from 100% to something less than 100%. Hewitt's likelihood of nominating Pablito (or anyone else) is completely meaningless since Kast will be the one making the nominations.

To the possibility that Llama might be setting up Hewitt for a future mislynch, this makes absolutely no sense. If he wants town-Hewitt mislynched, then he is much better off letting Kast push through a Hewitt lynch and take all the heat.

As it stands, he has clearly defended his buddy and tried extremely hard to hide any trace of that defense. He can now hope that town gets distracted with lynching the remaining chenbot and let's the last producer (Hewitt) slip through as long as possible.

[pablito]

lol. obviously I didn't expect that flip. I was expecting that lynch though.

[Crazy]

Yeah, I forgot that you basically have complete control.

If Hewitt is his buddy, then selecting him as HoH is the ONLY way his team has a chance.

Yeah, you're definitely right about this.

If Hewitt is not his buddy, then he has no incentive whatsoever to select Hewitt. Doing so lowers his partner's chance of survival from 100% to something less than 100%. Hewitt's likelihood of nominating Pablito (or anyone else) is completely meaningless since Kast will be the one making the nominations.

This has a slight WIFOM factor to it. From a strict, non-psychological standpoint, you're right, but Llama doing this would make hewitt look more scummy as a possible Day 7 lynch.

[Kmd4390]

If Hewitt is his buddy, then selecting him as HoH is the ONLY way his team has a chance.

No. You're basically assumed as HoH anyway. Llama's choice for HoH is just symbolic. I doubt very seriously that he'd choose his buddy like that.

Pablito is pretty obviously the other producer.

If Snow and BV are going up, my vote will be on Snow.

[hewitt]

Okay sweet that was a good deal. This gives me a lot more faith in Kmd. He's fallen to #3 on my most likely to be Chenbots list so that was a very good day. I admit, I didn't really think either nominee was going to flip anything other than floater so that was a little surprising, but in a good way.

Since it doesn't matter, since he's going to override this anyways, but I'm going to nominate the two players who I think are most likely to be Chenbot.

Nominate: Snow Bunny, Kast

I expect Snow Bunny to be evicted no matter who Kast replaces for himself.

[Kmd4390]

Hewitt, why the emphasis on Chenbots out of curiosity?

[hewitt]

Hewitt, why the emphasis on Chenbots out of curiosity?

To be honest, I have no idea who the last remaining Producer is at this point. I didn't think there was a high probability of Llama flipping Producer, or scum at all, so now I need to seriously reassess who the last remaining Producer is. I assumed the Producers contained Kast/bv but clearly I was wrong about that.

So I'm going with what I feel most confident about. And the general consensus seems to be that pablito is the last remaining Producer and I don't see that connection so I'm not nominating pablito. I'm pretty fairly positive he's floater.

So I'm eliminating a scum player (hopefully) while generating further discussion that while weed out the remaining Producer.

[Kmd4390]

Good answer.

[farside22]

The host celebrates the HOH's quick pick for nom.s

Snow Bunny and Kast have been nominated.
If the player who has Coup wishes to use it they must use it by Monday Feb 1st, 5:00pm PST

Vote deadline will be Friday (sooner would be nice) Feb 5th, 3:00pm PST

[hewitt]

Haha ooooh I wonder if someone's going to use the Coup...

[Kast]

@Crazy-
I already addressed your "slight wifom" factor. If Llama wanted Hewitt to be mislynched, then he could take no action and it would lock in Hewitt's lynch as well as place all the blame on a townie (Kast). This is akin to the claim that a mafia member would intentionally save a townie and put his buddy in danger on Day X so that he can put the saved townie in danger on Day X+1, instead of simply letting saved townie die on Day X with full responsibility on a different townie for Day X+1. Essentially a guaranteed 2 townies down with no information for townies vs 1 guaranteed townie down and chance for scumbuddy to be lynched.

@KMD-

Llama's choice for HoH is just symbolic.

You don't understand how Coup works. I take over instead of HoH, but I CANNOT nominate the deposed HoH. My choices for today were clear: Hewitt & BV. Llama is protecting Hewitt and making it impossible to nominate and evict him.

Pablito is NOT protected by Llama's move. If anything, Pablito is more likely to be lynched (from ZERO chance to one of the remaining candidates).

@Hewitt-

I expect Snow Bunny to be evicted no matter who Kast replaces for himself.

You don't understand how Coup works. Since you previously demonstrated that you understand how Coup works AND are a self professed fan of the theme, it is obvious that you are lying.

I become the new HoH. I nominate two people. I cannot nominate you because your buddy made you immune to being nominated.

Pretending that you thought Coup works like PoV is scummy because you obviously know the difference between the two.

@Mod-

I am using the Coup.
I am

nominating BV

.

@All-
I'll take some more thoughts and make a decision. I was leaning to SB as next on my list. However, it seems obvious that SB would be lynched, so there becomes no point to nominating BV (or anyone else). I am not a fan of the Pablito lynch, but it seems clear that Crazy and KMD are unwilling to lynch obvscum Hewitt until after Pablito is lynched. As an alternative to BV lynch, I would accept a Pablito lynch with the understanding that Pablito flipping floater hammers the nail on Hewitt's coffin.

Hewitt's claim that Pablito is probable floater is a typical scum-tell; afraid to call out the townie who is held up against him. He knows that as soon as Pablito flips town, his own head will roll.

The danger I see in this approach is that it uses up all of our allowed mislynches. I would like to hear KMD and Crazy's opinions on this. Pablito and BV's opinions are next most welcome. I don't really care what lies Hewitt wants to tell. I don't expect SB to offer any insights.

[Crazy]

Nah, I might be willing to lynch hewitt over pablito... I'm on the fence right now; I just wanted to point out that hewitt isn't totally OMG obv-scum.

Even though, yes, Llama HoHing hewitt does make the most sense if they were scum together. And if they were scum together, Llama

would

pretty much have to HoH him.

[hewitt]

You don't understand how Coup works. Since you previously demonstrated that you understand how Coup works AND are a self professed fan of the theme, it is obvious that you are lying.

I become the new HoH. I nominate two people. I cannot nominate you because your buddy made you immune to being nominated.

Pretending that you thought Coup works like PoV is scummy because you obviously know the difference between the two.

YOU clearly don't know how the Coup works because if you "became" the new HoH you would be able to nominate anyone in the game, and you can't. All that you have the power to do is to replace one or two of my nominations with nominations of your own. And saying that I'm scummy because I "don't know the difference between the Coup and the Veto" is absolutely retarded because I'm pretty sure I know better than anybody exactly what they are and how they work.

The reason why I said Snow will be evicted no matter what is because I'm assuming you're not going to replace her with a different nomination. It would be absolutely crazy if you did.

[Crazy]

Kast: Using the coup, I become the new HoH and can nominate any two people other than hewitt.

hewitt: Using the coup, you do not become the new HoH. You can only replace one or two of my nominations.

Those two statements mean exactly the same thing.

@hewitt, I believe what Kast was referring to was this:

I expect Snow Bunny to be evicted no matter who Kast replaces for himself.

Which somewhat implies (possibly unintendedly) that Kast can only replace the nomination of himself, rather than either Snowbunny or himself or both.

[farside22]

@Mod-
I am using the Coup.
I am nominating BV.

I assume you mean you are putting BV up in your place.
As the coup holder you can change one or both nom's but can not nominate the HOH.

For now I assume SB/BV nomed till told otherwise.

Deadline remains the same

[hewitt]

@hewitt, I believe what Kast was referring to was this:

I expect Snow Bunny to be evicted no matter who Kast replaces for himself.

Which somewhat implies (possibly unintendedly) that Kast can only replace the nomination of himself, rather than either Snowbunny or himself or both.

No it does not imply that, at all. It implies that I expect Kast to leave my nomination of Snow Bunny alone because Snow Bunny is clearly my target for eviction this week. And that taking down Snow Bunny would be an idiotic move, one that would royally piss me off.

[Kast]

@Mod-
That is fine.

@Crazy-
Hewitt is just being disagreeable for it's own sake in an attempt to distract from his obvious scumminess.

Vote away people.

[hewitt]

@Crazy-
Hewitt is just being disagreeable for it's own sake in an attempt to distract from his obvious scumminess.

lol Yes, me being right and you being wrong would be painted as disagreeable by you wouldn't it.

[farside22]

Houseguest I have an announcement to make

.

First of all since Hewitt was over thrown as HOH he could be given HOH this time if one of the nom's desires.
This means any player that one of the evicted nom's wishes to give the power of HOH is fully open to any player in this game (of course you can't give yourself HOH as your going to be evicted).

Thank you.

BV and SnowBunny

please remember to send in your choice on who you wish to be HOH as soon as possible.