Teleportation Mafia Universe ONE (MAFIA A WINS!)

[Haylen]

Day 6 Vote Count

CSL ( 1 ) phate
evilsnail ( 1 ) mykonian
starbuck ( 0 )
phate ( 0 )
mykonian ( 2 ) evilsnail CSL
Haylen ( 0 )
DTMaster ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 3 ) DTMaster starbuck Haylen
Total Votes ( 7 )

With 7 alive, 4 needed to lynch.
Deadline is at 12:00 EDT, April 7

Heh. I've just realised why there were 3 U2 scum. Does this make me confirmed town now?

[Starbuck]

Just reading Plum in iso, and she was riding CSL pretty hard. Could that be motivation enough for him to want her moved out of this universe?

[Starbuck]

Heh. I've just realised why there were 3 U2 scum. Does this make me confirmed town now?

Absolutely not, since we all know why there were 3 scum.

It's posted at the top of the second post in each thread by the mod.

[Haylen]

Starbuck...all three universe 2 scum are dead. I came from universe 2. Surely I am confirmed town.

[Starbuck]

You didn't get what I meant, nvm.

[DTMaster]

@Phate
Given that Pops has been voting CSL constantly, you think this is an extreme busing maneuver?

[DTMaster]

I still have one last shot at improving our odds

@Mod
If someone was a teleporter before Uni2 ended they would be notified that their role has ended right?

Because we could have a:

Who was a teleporter claim

rather then

who is a teleporter claim

[Phate]

@Phate
Given that Pops has been voting CSL constantly, you think this is an extreme busing maneuver?

bussing*

I think it's possible, yes, especially if either a) pops started to attack CSL very early on, or b) pops was under pressure when he started to attack CSL.

[zorastermod]

Day 6 Vote Count

CSL ( 1 ) phate
evilsnail ( 1 ) mykonian
starbuck ( 0 )
phate ( 0 )
mykonian ( 2 ) evilsnail CSL
Haylen ( 0 )
DTMaster ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 3 ) DTMaster starbuck Haylen
Total Votes ( 7 )

With 7 alive, 4 needed to lynch.
Deadline is at 12:00 EDT, April 7

[DTMaster]

@Phate
I find the reverse true. I skimmed over the votes

and we have scum on the pops wagon.

A last minute bussing and counter bussing is expected. I don't have time to do it right now but we should totally do a VC analysis to net the last scumz.

@Myko
I found something very scummy in this post

If you look at it and read a page before: (some context Gayle made his case against pops and started to heavily attack. Pop's wagon is starting to get steam)

a. There is a really, really weakly laid defence of Pops using "meta". You claim to have no meta evidence to make a direct call on pops, yet at the same time use a playstyle argument (wait a minute: did you seriously just create meta for pops) during this wagon?) What bugs me is that:

if Myko doesn't have meta evidence against/for pops, shouldn't Myko then be basing his read on pops based on what is said in thread, rather then be worried about pops' meta. The were tonnes of scummy posts made by pops during the exchange between this post and the one after:

ie Pops admitted that he's refusing to scum hunt because he's flip flopping over the big wagons. hmmmmmmmm... if you reread..

b. Myko also called Farside scummy for "not scum hunting effectively because her cases were rehash" Farside questioned this directly after.

c. OH HAI: Hypocrite ALERT!
Look look look this post in junction with my point a. What's that phrase again: the pot calling the kettle black?

There is some lazy scum hunting going around here.

@CSL's votes
1. He likes to switch between Myko and Evil. A lot. Like. A lot. :S
2. Hay: CSL felt Elizi was likely town. Hmmmm........ "jots down idea in my notes"

@U2
Ugh peps we need some activity checks, I feel like the only one doing rereads right now.

@Mod
Can we get a fresh round of prods, and maybe a back up replacement for lurker but cleared Haylen. This game is in the final stages and no one cares really. Also can you answer my question in a couple of posts back? (my bad forgot to bold)

Once the mod answers, and if I'm right

can the Ex-teleporter claim nao

-- / reread, need a break.

[DTMaster]

Actually: Phate did you do a reread of the pops wagon and his interaction with CSL? I'm very sold on a Myko CSL Pops team. But I need to complete my reread

[mykonian]

@Phate
I find the reverse true. I skimmed over the votes

and we have scum on the pops wagon.

A last minute bussing and counter bussing is expected. I don't have time to do it right now but we should totally do a VC analysis to net the last scumz.

@Myko
I found something very scummy in this post

If you look at it and read a page before: (some context Gayle made his case against pops and started to heavily attack. Pop's wagon is starting to get steam)

a. There is a really, really weakly laid defence of Pops using "meta". You claim to have no meta evidence to make a direct call on pops, yet at the same time use a playstyle argument (wait a minute: did you seriously just create meta for pops) during this wagon?) What bugs me is that:

if Myko doesn't have meta evidence against/for pops, shouldn't Myko then be basing his read on pops based on what is said in thread, rather then be worried about pops' meta. The were tonnes of scummy posts made by pops during the exchange between this post and the one after:

ie Pops admitted that he's refusing to scum hunt because he's flip flopping over the big wagons. hmmmmmmmm... if you reread..

This is so easy. Now pops flipped scum, I was wrong.

My impression of pops was someone who was there for the fun of the game. I disagree with your use of "meta" as if it wasn't a definition that is central to the game. I can't say a sensible thing about someone being scum if I don't have the motives of that player when playing.

b. Myko also called Farside scummy for "not scum hunting effectively because her cases were rehash" Farside questioned this directly after.

I was right. Sadly that didn't mean that farside was scum.

c. OH HAI: Hypocrite ALERT!
Look look look this post in junction with my point a. What's that phrase again: the pot calling the kettle black?

I think I miss your point: my problem with farside was that the took points of others and posted them (without even mentioning that player: as if it were her own idea's => scum trying to look like scumhunting).

I won't be reacting to your answer soon, so take your time formulating a response. I should be doing more for this game, but that the moment I should be doing so much.

[mykonian]

and DTM, it wouldn't make sense for CSL to switch between a buddy and a towny: I think we can partly rule out a Evil-CSL team that way.

[DTMaster]

Myko: Are you actually trying to say that scum is:

Evil and Gayle/Phayte
or Gayle/Phayte and CSL?

If you use the above argument: you can't even outline the scum teams because Gayle attacked pops early on and killed him.

[DTMaster]

Actually I just misread something in the second point. :S

However I don't like how you used a "meta argument" on someone who you don't "have meta on". It's interesting, and very, very, very suspicious because you were able to comment on a player's mindset when you never had experience with that player. You literally in that defence:

jumped over Pop's posts and went to his playstyle.

[mykonian]

Good point. CSL was heavely attacked by pops for policy reasons (would be a good way for scum to make a case, I think)

Gayle was one of the people who got Pops lynched (leading the wagon, in stead of following)

Which would mean that Evil and I are scum: but I'm not scum.

[mykonian]

Actually I just misread something in the second point. :S

However I don't like how you used a "meta argument" on someone who you don't "have meta on". It's interesting, and very, very, very suspicious because you were able to comment on a player's mindset when you never had experience with that player. You literally in that defence:

jumped over Pop's posts and went to his playstyle.

I read how he posted. And yes, that is my way of scumhunting: I try to find out what people thought when they were posting.

Meta is what way of playing someone has.

First you name it "meta", and then you go on to say Meta is only from previous games.

Call it playstyle then, and the argument becomes quite different.

[DTMaster]

How can you judge his style when you have no experience of his playstyle?

[mykonian]

How can you judge his style when you have no experience of his playstyle?

I saw it here.

I saw his play as illogical, for both town and scum: town didn't benefit because quite a few posts were not trying to find scum. Scum didn't benefit because those posts would give quite a lot attention.

And his sig, which (I thought) showed that Pops didn't really care about winning.

[mykonian]

How can you judge his style when you have no experience of his playstyle?

Ok, I answered this: now the other way around. Quite a few players here never played with me: you need to make assumptions how I would play as town and as scum to catch me.

You can try to do this by taking a general approach: using general scumtells. Or you can try to do this for only specific cases. For example, CSL, you won't catch with general scumtells: they simply don't apply to him because he isn't an average player.

You basically blame me for taking the second way.

[DTMaster]

Ok, granted you can use queues. Can you point to an example where he was more illogical then scummy?

Also: If you aren't scum: But evilsnail is scum, who would you think is his buddy is hmm? Gayle or CSL?

I personally find Gayle to be less suspect then CSL, but I need to reread Pop's play on CSL a littler closer. I'm leaning towards Phate's explaination right now.

[mykonian]

huh?

anyway, pops made quite a few non-game related posts, like this one: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 19#2109519 (scanned his iso, I wasn't looking for a particular post, but this seemed to fit)

I'm going to do the same. I need a reread (and I already need that for a week :/)

[evilsnail]

But you didn't cite any of that in your post, so it felt like you were just voting on the basis of that.

Hey, and that is my problem? That you forget what happened early this game?

I didn't forget it. You didn't mention it and you weren't pushing for my lynch at the end of yesterday, so it looked like you were just voting on the basis of that post. And that's strange. Anyway, your read on me Day 5 seemed to be leaning town. You said so a couple of times towards the end of the day. How come the case against me is convincing today when it apparently wasn't yesterday?

It shows that you are scum. You are the one voting here on no basis, other then that you don't like the vote on you now. I would very much like to see a case on me, that you don't have! Just see below.

A case can easily be made on you. Your interaction with pops wasn't good. But largely this is gut and PoE. Though your inconsistency on me

is

scummy.

[mykonian]

But you didn't cite any of that in your post, so it felt like you were just voting on the basis of that.

Hey, and that is my problem? That you forget what happened early this game?

I didn't forget it. You didn't mention it and you weren't pushing for my lynch at the end of yesterday, so it looked like you were just voting on the basis of that post. And that's strange. Anyway, your read on me Day 5 seemed to be leaning town. You said so a couple of times towards the end of the day. How come the case against me is convincing today when it apparently wasn't yesterday?

Because yesterday we had the other town winning, and DRK being obvious, and I began to doubt my case on you. The day before that, Spyrex was the person I thought more suspicious.

and no, I'm not going to quote the posts where I accused you everytime the day starts again.

It is quite insane to assume I didn't take into account the rest of the thread. And it is a horrible reason to vote me

It shows that you are scum. You are the one voting here on no basis, other then that you don't like the vote on you now. I would very much like to see a case on me, that you don't have! Just see below.

A case can easily be made on you. Your interaction with pops wasn't good. But largely this is gut and PoE. Though your inconsistency on me

is

scummy.

Good, make that case. I'm inconstistent on you: which probably means I haven't been voting you all the time, and in parts of the game (first day, halfway the last day), I was doubting my cases on you, and saw townpoints. But seriously, how are you going to twist this into a way where that is scummy?

And yes, I was wrong about Pops. that's a point against me, I guess.

[zorastermod]

Day 6 Vote Count

CSL ( 1 ) phate
evilsnail ( 1 ) mykonian
starbuck ( 0 )
phate ( 0 )
mykonian ( 2 ) evilsnail CSL
Haylen ( 0 )
DTMaster ( 0 )
Not Voting ( 3 ) DTMaster starbuck Haylen
Total Votes ( 7 )

With 7 alive, 4 needed to lynch.
Deadline is at 12:00 EDT, April 7

Prods are being sent.