All Greek To Me - Over

[Gamma AGTM]

And, since I may quite possibly die after this double day is over, I figure I should claim my role.

Anybody disagree with this?

Is it helpful to claim it do you think? It's possible we have a protection role out there btw...

It probably won't give the town more information than it currently has, though it may depending on how you look at it. My role PM and any PM I may or may not have received from the mod later is/are rather... ambiguous on some things.

can you explain this a bit more for me? wtf does your role do? are you basically a vanilla ya?

[StrangerCoug]

*wakes up and notice a replacement request for Kappa*

Sorry, guys. I'll get on this.

Nobody's voting anybody right now, by the way.

[Iota]

There was no reasoning given by the mod.

It detailed that I am sleeping and can't in any way be forced to leave the sleep state.

And that was essentially it, though it did mention iota.

I asked the mod if I could communicate with iota or some-such, but I could not, so the mention was most likely useless flavor rather than anything meaningful.

As far as I am aware, I was sleeping because somebody used an ability or because the mod decided to do it or because a walrus sneezed somewhere.

Okay this is what I was waiting for. I wanted to see if kappa tried to explain the sleep, in which case I'd be pretty sure he was full of shit and lying scum.

His notion of what happens fits with mine. I AM RESPONSIBLE for us being asleep yesterday. I have the ability to basically take myself and one other player out of the game for a day/night cycle. I can give more flavor if asked, but for now I'd like to hear everyone's claims before we get to the details.

I hadn't used this abililty until now because I wasn't sure the value of it and I figured it would just be more shit to explain that would just seem weird. I think I underestimated the weirdness of the setup.

I chose to protect kappa because I believed his claim and comments around the mason group, but I sensed that others didn't and he might be a target for a NK. I figured with two people out of the picture (kappa and myself) the odds of killing scum both day and night (esp in the case of two factions competing) would be much higher. Also I felt a personal threat, so I figured if I didn't do something when I did I might not have gotten a chance.

Any other questions, I'd be happy to answer. I'd also like ALPHA to claim next.

[Alpha]

i believe iota's role, but not his alignment.

i'm a miller-vig. if i make a kill, investigation on me will give guilty. that's the alpha error which is the main flavor in my role pm.

i targetted lambda night 2, nu night 4, mu night 6, but only nu's kill go through.

upsilon should claim next.

[Gamma AGTM]

..what...what the fuck.

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what.

iota's probably scum but i need to work out if we're dealing with 2 scum factions or wtf is going on.

[StrangerCoug]

Got a new Kappa.

[Kappa]

Hi all. I'm the new Kappa. It looks like massclaim is underway and Kappa already claimed. Unless there are any immediate things I need to address, I'm going to try to do a read-through. If there is any summary or important posts I should read, that would be GREAT.

[Gamma AGTM]

Hey kappa.

Are you scum? No, go back and check your pm. Are you scum?

What do you think we're dealing with in terms of anti town bodies.

The Omega wagon d1 is interesting, and should be looked at. Day 2/3 was a clusterfuck of idiocy iirc, but there may be good info early day 3.

Also i'd like your opinions on who's scum and what you think is the amount of scum left.

[Alpha]

upsilon should be prodded. his last post is in March 21.

[Iota]

i'm a miller-vig. if i make a kill, investigation on me will give guilty. that's the alpha error which is the main flavor in my role pm.

i targetted lambda night 2, nu night 4, mu night 6, but only nu's kill go through.

Here's scum guys ^^^^^

The "alpha error" thing is clever, but I think a little to clever. miller-vig to me reads a lot like "scum".

[Gamma AGTM]

eh, let's be honest here. you're both scum in all likelyhood.

it's a pretty nifty role whether real or fake btw (*steals*)

[Kappa]

Hey kappa.

Are you scum? No, go back and check your pm. Are you scum?

What do you think we're dealing with in terms of anti town bodies.

The Omega wagon d1 is interesting, and should be looked at. Day 2/3 was a clusterfuck of idiocy iirc, but there may be good info early day 3.

Also i'd like your opinions on who's scum and what you think is the amount of scum left.

Hey Gamma, not scum here.

I finally caught up and read the whole thread. The Shape Shifting SK bit was interesting, though it seems to have been resolved.

I'm hoping there is just 1+1 antitown left, although if that is the case, and alpha is to be believed, then there is a lack of night kills, no? Heck, any case that involves having 2 mafia factions left brings up that same lack of NKs. However, I believe someone mentioned the scum teams possibly killing on alternating nights - forgot who said that though. And the town RB (Lambda) died and said he was blocking Mu, who was just vanilla.

As for the remaining scum... my guess is iota and upsilon/alpha, though I'm not sure about alpha's roleclaim. I don't really see the reason for him to make up the stuff about investigating guilty, since the cop is already dead. It makes sense flavor-wise to me, but I have to think about the NK pattern some more.

Iota's sleep power and the timing of its use seems scummy to me.

I have the ability to basically take myself and one other player out of the game for a day/night cycle. I can give more flavor if asked, but for now I'd like to hear everyone's claims before we get to the details.

IIRC, I don't see anything that says the sleep took me/us out for the night part Please do give the flavor for your ability.

Upsilon needs to claim/be replaced/be modkilled.

[Kappa]

EBWOP to Fix my quotefail:

Hey kappa.

Are you scum? No, go back and check your pm. Are you scum?

What do you think we're dealing with in terms of anti town bodies.

The Omega wagon d1 is interesting, and should be looked at. Day 2/3 was a clusterfuck of idiocy iirc, but there may be good info early day 3.

Also i'd like your opinions on who's scum and what you think is the amount of scum left.

Hey Gamma, not scum here.

I finally caught up and read the whole thread. The Shape Shifting SK bit was interesting, though it seems to have been resolved.

I'm hoping there is just 1+1 antitown left, although if that is the case, and alpha is to be believed, then there is a lack of night kills, no? Heck, any case that involves having 2 mafia factions left brings up that same lack of NKs. However, I believe someone mentioned the scum teams possibly killing on alternating nights - forgot who said that though. And the town RB (Lambda) died and said he was blocking Mu, who was just vanilla.

As for the remaining scum... my guess is iota and upsilon/alpha, though I'm not sure about alpha's roleclaim. I don't really see the reason for him to make up the stuff about investigating guilty, since the cop is already dead. It makes sense flavor-wise to me, but I have to think about the NK pattern some more.

Iota's sleep power and the timing of its use seems scummy to me.

I have the ability to basically take myself and one other player out of the game for a day/night cycle. I can give more flavor if asked, but for now I'd like to hear everyone's claims before we get to the details.

IIRC, I don't see anything that says the sleep took me/us out for the night part Please do give the flavor for your ability.

Upsilon needs to claim/be replaced/be modkilled.

[Kappa]

And, since I may quite possibly die after this double day is over, I figure I should claim my role.

Anybody disagree with this?

Is it helpful to claim it do you think? It's possible we have a protection role out there btw...

It probably won't give the town more information than it currently has, though it may depending on how you look at it. My role PM and any PM I may or may not have received from the mod later is/are rather... ambiguous on some things.

can you explain this a bit more for me? wtf does your role do? are you basically a vanilla ya?

Yeah, I'm basically just a vanilla, although Kappa1 is correct that the role PM is very ambiguous, almost implying something extra. But no, I am a vanilla AFAIK.

[Alpha]

iota's role really don't make sence for a pro-town. it won't be used on a very pro-town or confirmed player, as they won't be the target of a lynch and likely to be more contributive than other player. it may be good to protect a pro-town, say A, who is under serious pressure and likely to be lynched, but how would that player know that A is pro-town on first hand? also, by removing 2 pro-town from the day, the scums can take over the town and cause a mislynch easier. an even worst case is to use this ability at lylo, where scums can ensure a mislynch with less pro-town. so this ability shouldn't be used on a pro-town. and it won't be used a scum either, as lynching them is much better than allowing them to live for another day. this ability may have some use regarding the night, as it has similar effect as a jailkeeper. but jailkeeper is not a very good role as it is also a roleblocker. but a scum with such a role is very good. so iota is the scum.

my vote will be on iota after everyone claimed.

[StrangerCoug]

upsilon should be prodded. his last post is in March 21.

Will do.

Anybody else needing a prod? I apologize that I've paid less attention to this game that I should be.

[Alpha]

thx, and no one else need a prod. we've all posted in this page.

[Iota]

iota's role really don't make sence for a pro-town. it won't be used on a very pro-town or confirmed player, as they won't be the target of a lynch and likely to be more contributive than other player. it may be good to protect a pro-town, say A, who is under serious pressure and likely to be lynched, but how would that player know that A is pro-town on first hand?

also, by removing 2 pro-town from the day, the scums can take over the town and cause a mislynch easier.

an even worst case is to use this ability at lylo, where scums can ensure a mislynch with less pro-town.

This bolded part is why I hadn't used my power when I thought there was one scum group. When it was revealed to be two I figured it made sense to try to isolate the groups against each other as much as possible by taking a townie-seeming player with me.

And yes, kappa, it was a night protection also.

[Alpha]

@iota, is your ability one-shot or not? and flavor claim please.

[Max]

Just got back. Will resume modly duties tomorrow evening, then I'll consider a deadline.

[Kappa]

Just got back. Will resume modly duties tomorrow evening, then I'll consider a deadline.

alright, just to let you know I think we need an Upsilon. plz don't deadline us before that

[Iota]

This is a paraphrase of my PM. My ability is one-shot, and it affects one day and TWO nights (I bolded the relevent part. When I read the first time I thought it was only one night. You can see the wording is a bit confusing... I've kept the basic structure. Apologies):

You can cast a spell on a player. That letter will return to the game the next evening but they won't be around for the next day and instead in an imaginary world you create for them. That letter cannot be targeted for that evening

nor the next evening

and they can't use any abilities they have for the same period. To maintain the spell on said player you must leave the game also.

[Kappa]

what's a "Standard Mafia Messenger" (Omicron's role)? Is that some kind of roleblocker? Or just a goon?

[Kappa]

doing an iso of Omicron to see if I can catch anything useful. Basically, I'm going to look at how he interacted with those of us remaining:

Upsilon

You're supposing he's just distancing on Lambda while trying to go after a Rho Mislynch than? (Your vote is on Lambda I believe)

vote Omicron

why is rho a mislynch?

He isn't. I'm behind his lynch as per my vote. I was asking if that was your opinion.

I think this is somewhat indicative that Omicron is not scum with Upsilon.

Waiting on some reasons as to why Upsilon was scummy other than inactivity.

Then never mentions him again. Still don't think they're scum together.

Iota

vote Iota

I don't see one Iota of a reason to think he's not scum.


Also I never knew that word came from a greek letter. The more you know!

RV - probably doesn't mean much by itself, though

^^^ everything about that post reeks of horrible horrible scum

This post without a vote is bad. FoS Iota. Vote if psi hadn't sold me on lamda.

Hmm, possible easy distancing. He is just echoing what someone else said.

@iota Why didn't you vote Nu yesterday when you made a post about how super scummy he was? I assumed you were scum buddies with him getting distancing in but since he flipped town, I'm not so sure. That post doesn't feel right though.

Repeating the same.

Concerningiota: Biggest scum tell on Iota to me, is that he made a post to the effect of "Nu you're so scummy what you just said, you're scum" without placing a vote. Aside from that, lately he's been pushing the Pi wagon, which I don't see the scum angle on continuing to push a wagon no one's interested in, could be he's too commited to let it drop without

that

seeming suspicious though.
It hurts iota that I still don't see the case on pi really.

Meh, he's not really going after Iota all that much is he?

Kappa

For what it's worth, I think kappa's the scum here. Joined the eta miswagon when it was getting steam, after solidly pushing an omega lynch, hopping off at the first oppertunity (getting early distancing in, not wanting actual lynch)

Honestly, his reasoning doesn't even make sense.

I still like Kappa for scum as my top suspect. I believe he's recruited mason, because why bother to lie about that and risk outing himself, but don't think that's cleared him personally.

Bull. If you believe my Mason claim, you should believe my alignment claim.

Gamma

@Theta/gamma

Stalling for what? As far as I know we're not about to be deadlined, so it's not like i'm hopping to scare people when they have limited time to think at deadline or something with a big claim.

Gamma pushed hard for the Omicron lynch, along with Pi. Don't think they're scum together.

Alpha

Alpha's distancing himself from my reveal, plain straight up ignoring the case on me, while going for a seemingly safe vote on mu. But really, we all know it's a vote that's not going to go through, he just wants his vote somewhere. It's why I refered to mu as my go to "unvote" guy much earlier in the game, since there's no unvote.

Kappa for the day 1 omega stuff from before.


those are my top 2 suspects.



Watch alpha hammer just to proove my first point wrong there

wtf does this even mean?! Both Iota and Alpha did not hammer Omicron when he was so obvscum (although Iota EVENTUALLY did). I don't really know why Kappa1 didn't do it. My guess is that he forgot about the game, as he did a few times. But not hammering Omicronscum is pretty scummy.

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If you look at Omicron's vote record, he never voted for scum. He did not vote for Omega. He only voted for townies (except Zeta, who was the SK). I mean, in the course of a game, scum often vote their buddies just to keep up the pretense, but Omicron ONLY voted for townies. This makes me think his RV on Iota to start the game means Iota is less likely to be his buddy.

So, people who are NOT Omicron's buddy, in decreasing order of likelihood: Gamma, Upsilon, Kappa, Iota, Alpha.

I think Alpha is most likely to be Omicron's buddy because he didn't hammer when he had the chance, and Omicron's distancing is really weaksauce. But really, he seems the best choice in the situation for Omicron's buddy.

[Kappa]

i believe iota's role, but not his alignment.

i'm a miller-vig. if i make a kill, investigation on me will give guilty. that's the alpha error which is the main flavor in my role pm.

i targetted lambda

night 2

, nu

night 4

, mu

night 6

, but only nu's kill go through.

upsilon should claim next.

hey alpha why did you choose to kill on only those nights?