[OLD] Open Setup Ideas and Discussion

[Trojan Horse]

My interpretation was that the Mafia Doctor still has the usual mafia kill in addition to the doc protect. Hopefully FakeGod will clarify that.

[Max]

In which case the game would be a 3 man lylo unless the Vig hit correctly. And then the mafia could win.

[The Fonz]

How about:

The More You Know Mafia

Cop
Doc
Vig

Six Townies

Mafia Cop Enabler (Corrupt Chief of Police)
Mafia Doc Enabler (Corrupt Hospital Administrator)
Mafia Vig Enabler (Corrupt Gun Shop Owner)

The town power roles no longer function once the linked scum dies.

[Alduskkel]

I wonder at what point it would be correct play for the Scum to NK one of their own.

[ooba]

I was thinking up an idea for the mini theme queue (since I am not sure how "normal" it is). However it is an open setup so thought I'll post it here to see if its balanced\viable and such:

Setting is a nuclear submarine where two foreign spies have infiltrated the ship. The spies manage to shot the captain in his quarters and grievously wound him. They hear footsteps outside and flee. The captain is carried to the medical station; here he tells the medic the ship control-code and dies. Unfortunately for the crew, the only people who know how to operate the main control unit are the spies and the second-in-command.

12 people
2 spies
1 medic (secret-sharer; not a doc or anything - just the guy who starts out with the code)
1 second-in-command
8 crew

Day start
- every day, we have a lynch
- every night, the secret-sharer HAS to share the code with another person
- every night, spies get to kill one person

Town wins
- if spies are lynched (or)
- the code reaches the second-in-command

Spies win if
- they overpower town i.e standard 50% of people remaining condition (or)
- the code reaches either of them
- none of the remaining townies know the code

Killing in night happens only after secret sharing. If the secret-sharer is lynched\killed, one of the other townies knowing the secret becomes the secret-sharer. (if more than one, chosen at random)

[Max]

Could be over day one or night one.

Presumably the code sharer would claim if about to be lynched. But a spy would counter claim. If the second-in-command is killed then the mafia must kill people that are more scummy as they want as many people with the code to stay alive (so the medic chooses one of them).

It's definitely a theme.

[ooba]

Could be over day one or night one.

Presumably the code sharer would claim if about to be lynched. But a spy would counter claim. If the second-in-command is killed then the mafia must kill people that are more scummy as they want as many people with the code to stay alive (so the medic chooses one of them).

It's definitely a theme.

True. What I had in mind was the simple concept of "One guy having a code and wanting to pass it to another person. If they pass it to scum they lose." - somehow cant get it down to my liking.

[Max]

Don't make it compulsory? And make it so that if the code-carrier dies day 1 then someone new is randomly selected. A bit unfair but it prevents the game from ending day one.

EDIT: Though possibly just not making it compulsory is good enough.

[FakeGod]

I think all players who knows the code should be able to share it with another person if they want. It's more realistic.
And why medic? Can't you just have 9 crew and select 1 at random to start with the code?

[FakeGod]

and lol, what if toward the end, crew decides to mass claim by citing the code...

OK "CREW" TELL ME RIGHT NOW WHAT THE FIRST LETTER OF THE CODE IS

[StrangerCoug]

DOUBLE F11... WELL, KIND OF

Split the 18-player game in two and independently generate each half. Half 1 is the standard F11; half 2 replaces the cop, doc, and roleblocker with a tracker, watcher, and ninja respectively. Then combine them back together.

For players who like lists:

1. One of these with equal likelihood:
   • 1 Mafia goon, 1 Mafia roleblocker, 1 cop, 1 doctor, 5 vanilla townies
     
   • 2 Mafia goons, 1 cop, 6 vanilla townies
     
   • 2 Mafia goons, 1 doctor, 6 vanilla townies
     
   • 1 Mafia goon, 1 Mafia roleblocker, 7 vanilla townies
2. One of these with equal likelihood:
   • 1 Mafia goon, 1 Mafia ninja, 1 tracker, 1 watcher, 5 vanilla townies
     
   • 2 Mafia goons, 1 tracker, 6 vanilla townies
     
   • 2 Mafia goons, 1 watcher, 6 vanilla townies
     
   • 1 Mafia goon, 1 Mafia ninja, 7 vanilla townies

What do you guys think?

There could also be a game with just the second half, a good name being

NINJA MAFIA

.

SC does that mean this game is 18 players?
I'm planning on putting it up for the next open game phase and I want to make sure I understand it completely first.

Sorry for the disappearance post-transfer. Yeah.

[TwoHeadedCyclops]

I'd like to nominate another vengeful game. I'm angry I missed the two recent ones and I'd definitely sign up for it.

[Max]

OK "CREW" TELL ME RIGHT NOW WHAT THE FIRST LETTER OF THE CODE IS

Simple, make it so that the Code is a computer code that humans can't read and they are passing around a memory chip/copies of it.

[Mr. Flay]

Simple, make it so that the Code is a computer code that humans can't read and they are passing around a memory chip/copies of it.

QFT

[Skruffs]

Could also use wi-fi or bluetooth to pass copies from individual PDAs.

[Simenon]

Hi Skruffs!

Nominate The More You Know Mafia
Re-nominate C9++

12 players. Night start. No unusual mechanics. Roles are selected as follows:

First, generate 7 letters from the following distribution:

50% T
15% C
10% D
10% V
10% M
5% B

MOD NOTE: I will generate a random number from 1-100 7 times from random.org. If it lands 1-50, it's a T, 51-65 = C, 66-75 = D, 76-85 = V, 86-95 = M, 96-100 = B.

Then turn the letters into roles using the following tables. Probabilities are for 0 letters, 1 letter, etc.

C = sane cop + 1-3 millers (millerhood is distributed randomly among non-cop, non-scum, non-child)
CC = sane cop
CCC = sane cop + insane cop
CCCC = sane cop + sane cop
CCCCC = sane cop + sane cop + insane cop
CCCCCC = sane cop + sane cop + sane cop

(32%, 40%, 21%, 6%, 1%, .1%, .007%)

D = doc
DD = doc + backup doc
DDD = doc + doc
DDDD = doc + doc + backup doc
DDDDD = doc + doc + doc

(48%, 37%, 12%, 2%, .3%, .02%)

V = vig
VV = vig + one-shot vig
VVV = vig + vig
VVVV = vig + vig + one-shot vig
VVVVV = vig + vig + vig

(48%, 37%, 12%, 2%, .3%, .02%)

M = innocent child
MM = 2 masons
MMM = 2 masons + innocent child
MMMM = 3 masons
MMMMM = 2 masons + 2 masons

(48%, 37%, 12%, 2%, .3%, .02%)

B = blocker
BB = blocker + backup blocker
BBB = blocker + blocker
BBBB = blocker + blocker + backup blocker

(70%, 26%, 4%, .4%, .02%)

TTTTTTT = mafia goon + mafia godfather
TTTTTT = mafia goon + mafia godfather + serial killer (DI, BI)
TTTTT = mafia goon + mafia goon + mafia godfather
TTTT = mafia goon + mafia goon + mafia godfather + serial killer (DI, BI, KI)
TTT = mafia goon + mafia blocker + mafia godfather
TT = mafia goon + mafia blocker + mafia godfather + serial killer (DI, BI, CI, KI)
T = mafia spy + mafia blocker + mafia godfather
0 = mafia spy + mafia blocker + mafia godfather + serial killer (DI, BI, CI, KI, SI, RB)

(.8%, 5%, 16%, 27%, 27%, 16%, 5%, .8%; exactly 50% of all games have a serial killer)

Mafia GF appears to cops as a townie (Added: Both sanities). Mafia Spy learns one targeted player's role type each night (T/C/D/V/M/B). (The SK can tell the mod how he wants to appear to the Spy; if the Spy investigates the SK, the SK is notified.)

DI = each kill bypasses single doc protect (but not more)
BI = bypasses single roleblock attempt each night (but not more)
KI = survives one kill attempt each night (but not more)
CI = appears to cops as a townie (Added: Both sanities)
SI = appears to mafia spy as desired
RB = has a roleblock ability usable once

No role can target itself.

All kills are indistinguishable.

The mafia and SK know their own abilities. Mafia and SK abilities, cop sanity, and millerhood are not revealed on death.

Last team standing wins. If everyone dies, SK wins or mafia and town draw.

Game is wonderful.

[The Fonz]

I wonder at what point it would be correct play for the Scum to NK one of their own.

Interesting point. That setup is just a jumping-off point for discussion atm, since i'm wondering if it's massclaim-susceptible at the moment. The optimal act given MC there, i think, is for the cop enabler to CC cop. Which then, depending on whether the cop or enabler gets lynched, either leaves 2:8 (possibly plus a vigkill), with a confirmed townie and a vig who can shoot once more (assume scum shoot the doc) or 2:7 with dead doc and cop, and a vig who can shoot once more (since if the real cop is lynched, the vig assuredly shoots the enabler). Or does it even pay for town to keep both alive in that scenario?

[yabbaguy]

SCREAMING, HANDS WAVING IN AIR, OUT OF MY SEAT "OOH OOH OOH" SECOND

C9++

Why has this not happened yet? Half the entertainment is just spinning the random setups!

(Note, since it's my Marathon, yabbaguy-modified ruleset being quoted: The original rule was that it was fixed 3 millers on a single C, and I also put my own objective interpretation on Mafia GF as appearing townie to either sanity (and miller, too). In retrospect, I'm not sure if the original intent was to have sanity skewing and GF skewing simultaneously.

Also, Mafia flips "Mafia" and nothing else. That was an outright error, and I think doing it as Marathon made me forget in the high-speed environment.)

Also, in response to everyone's favorite question:

Innocent Child

At any time, you may say

I am an Innocent Child

in game thread. I will mod-confirm you as that role.

You win with Town.

[Max]

S(enile)-9

9 Players

1 Mafia, 1 Senile Mafiate, 1 Senile Cop, 1 Senile Doc, 5 Town
2 Mafia, 1 Senile Doc, 6 Town
2 Mafia, 1 Senile Cop, 6 Town
1 Mafia, 1 Senile Mafiate, 7 Town

The term "senile" means that they are capable of forfeiting their ability and receiving one off actions. (Unlike 1-Shots these have pre-determined targets)

You are the

Senile Cop

, once per game you may spend the night reading through all of your notes you took in your time in the force and find one live player you are certain are innocent.

You win with town

(Will receive a random town-aligned player confirmed to be innocent)

You are the

Senile Doc

. Once per game you may come out of retirement to protect one random live town player from a mafia kill. Unfortunately because you're blind you are not sure who's house you are visiting, but your guide dog will take you to a town player.

You win with town.

You are the

Senile Mafiate

. Once per game (instead of killing) you may drug one town power (at random if both use their ability that night) and alter their aid's actions (i.e. edit the cops notes/lure the doc's guide dog) action redirect it to a town player of your choice.

You win with mafia

[smashbro_of_the_SSS]

How about this?

Kingdom Mafia (11 players)

1 Beloved Princess
1 Advisor (Governor)
1 Bodyguard
1 Vigilante

4 Vanilla Townies

1 Mafia Roleblocker
2 Mafia Goons

Now, the Advisor (same actions as governor: prevents lynches) knows who the Beloved Princess is. The Bodyguard also knows who the Princess is. The Advisor and Bodyguard do not know each other, and the Princess (or Prince, I suppose) knows who both are. No talking between them.

I'm open to changing this a bit, but I wanted a set up where a princess could actually be used, and not be as much a hinderance to the town. So, the Advisor can prevent lynches during the day, and Bodygaurd at night (unless there is a super townie who they want to protect instead).

[Hoopla]

How about:

The More You Know Mafia

Cop
Doc
Vig

Six Townies

Mafia Cop Enabler (Corrupt Chief of Police)
Mafia Doc Enabler (Corrupt Hospital Administrator)
Mafia Vig Enabler (Corrupt Gun Shop Owner)

The town power roles no longer function once the linked scum dies.

I like the concept, it reminds me of the mechanic Tit for Tat (another open game) uses, where deaths on a particular side trigger a power for the other team. The right play for the vigilante in this set-up is to only shoot once as to not drop the number of lynches the town gets (unless the doctor makes a save). But I don't think people would play this role well or consider that idea, which makes the game very swingy.

A cop claiming Day 1 is also dangerous for scum, unless they can nail the doctor early or decide to counterclaim the cop. I'd consider switching in a Jailkeeper for a Doctor, which is a powered up role but doesn't sync with the other two town powers at all. It's playable as a 12 player set-up, but 13 would be an improvement as it gives the vig two shots (if necessary) and three mislynches, or four mislynches if the vig doesn't kill.

[Socrates]

If the cop claims, the doc enabler should counterclaim him (or possibly get the drop on him by claiming first), that way if the counter fails, then the doc is disabled and the scum are free to kill the cop. two power roles dealt with for the price of 1 scum in even the worst case scenario (and even better if the scum is believed) seems like an even trade.

I hope that game gets chosen, because I would love to play it.

[mask man]

Monk

You are a peaceful monk. If you are lynched, the people of the Saint's Temple will rebel against whoever hammered you.

Wise Apprentice

You are but an apprentice in the Saint's Temple. However you are very wise, and if someone tries to hoodwink you then you will become greater.

Enlightened Apprentice

Alas, a stranger has fooled you! Thankfully you learned from your mistake and became great. You are renowned now, and the people shall rebel if you are lynched.

Sushi Man

You sell sushi to the kind monks at the Saint's Temple.

Falsehood

You are falsehood, and your goal is to destroy the Saints Temple. To aid in this, you may lie to people during the day and steer them to the wrong path.

Necromancer

You work with the dark and evil elements to destroy the Saint's Temple.

Scrying Necromancer

You work with the dark and evil elements to destroy the Saint's Temple. You and your owl may wear robes and chant Latin words around your Scrying Pool to reveal the identities of people.

open setups(less player ones suck, ones with multiple mafia factions may be extremely wonky.):

Monk+Monk+Falsehood/mafia
Monk+Monk (Decieved)+Scrying Necromancer/mafia
Wise Apprentice+Monk+Monk+Falsehood/mafia
Sushi Man+Wise Apprentice+Monk+Falsehood/mafia
Sushi Man+Wise Apprentice+Monk+Monk+Falsehood/mafia
Wise Apprentice+Wise Apprentice+Monk+Monk+Falsehood/mafia
Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Monk+Monk+Scrying Necromancer/mafia
Monk+Monk+Monk+Monk+Monk+Falsehood/mafia
Sushi Man+Wise Apprentice+Wise Apprentice+Monk+Monk+Falsehood/mafia
Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Monk+Monk+Monk+Scrying Necromancer/mafia
Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Monk+Monk+Monk+Falsehood/mafia+Falsehood/mafia
Wise Apprentice+Wise Apprentice+Monk+Monk+Monk+Scrying Necromancer/mafia+Falsehood/mafia
Wise Apprentice+Wise Apprentice+Monk+Monk+Monk+Falsehood/mafia+Falsehood/mafia2
Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Monk+Monk+Monk+Monk+Falsehood/mafia+Falsehood/mafia
Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Wise Apprentice+Wise Apprentice+Monk+Monk+scry/mafia+Falsehood/mafia
Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Wise Apprentice+Monk+Monk+Falsehood/mafia+Falsehood/mafia2
Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Wise Apprentice+Wise Apprentice+Monk+Monk+Falsehood/mafia+Falsehood/mafia2+m/mafia3
Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Monk+Monk+Monk+Falsehood/mafia+Falsehood/mafia2+Falsehood/mafia3
Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Monk+Monk+Wise Apprentice+Wise Apprentice+Scrying Necromancer/mafia+Falsehood/mafia+Falsehood/mafia
Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Wise Apprentice+Wise Apprentice+Monk+Monk+Necromancer/mafia+Scrying Necromancer/mafia+Falsehood/mafia
Sushi Man+Wise Apprentice+Wise Apprentice+Wise Apprentice+Monk+Monk+Monk+Necromancer/mafia+Scrying Necromancer/mafia+Falsehood/mafia
Wise Apprentice+Wise Apprentice+Wise Apprentice+Monk+Monk+Monk+Scrying Necromancer/mafia+Falsehood/mafia+Scrying Necromancer/mafia2+Falsehood/mafia2
Monk+Monk+Monk+Monk+Monk+Monk+Necromancer/mafia+Falsehood/mafia+Necromancer/mafia2+Falsehood/mafia2
Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Monk+Monk+Monk+Scrying Necromancer/mafia+Falsehood/mafia+Scrying Necromancer/mafia2+Falsehood/mafia2


This was made for IRC mafia, so the dayaction might want major tweaking for board use.

[StrangerCoug]

Monk

You are a peaceful monk. If you are lynched, the people of the Saint's Temple will rebel against whoever hammered you.

Wise Apprentice

You are but an apprentice in the Saint's Temple. However you are very wise, and if someone tries to hoodwink you then you will become greater.

Enlightened Apprentice

Alas, a stranger has fooled you! Thankfully you learned from your mistake and became great. You are renowned now, and the people shall rebel if you are lynched.

Sushi Man

You sell sushi to the kind monks at the Saint's Temple.

Falsehood

You are falsehood, and your goal is to destroy the Saints Temple. To aid in this, you may lie to people during the day and steer them to the wrong path.

Necromancer

You work with the dark and evil elements to destroy the Saint's Temple.

Scrying Necromancer

You work with the dark and evil elements to destroy the Saint's Temple. You and your owl may wear robes and chant Latin words around your Scrying Pool to reveal the identities of people.

open setups(less player ones suck, ones with multiple mafia factions may be extremely wonky.):

Monk+Monk+Falsehood/mafia
Monk+Monk (Decieved)+Scrying Necromancer/mafia
Wise Apprentice+Monk+Monk+Falsehood/mafia
Sushi Man+Wise Apprentice+Monk+Falsehood/mafia
Sushi Man+Wise Apprentice+Monk+Monk+Falsehood/mafia
Wise Apprentice+Wise Apprentice+Monk+Monk+Falsehood/mafia
Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Monk+Monk+Scrying Necromancer/mafia
Monk+Monk+Monk+Monk+Monk+Falsehood/mafia
Sushi Man+Wise Apprentice+Wise Apprentice+Monk+Monk+Falsehood/mafia
Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Monk+Monk+Monk+Scrying Necromancer/mafia
Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Monk+Monk+Monk+Falsehood/mafia+Falsehood/mafia
Wise Apprentice+Wise Apprentice+Monk+Monk+Monk+Scrying Necromancer/mafia+Falsehood/mafia
Wise Apprentice+Wise Apprentice+Monk+Monk+Monk+Falsehood/mafia+Falsehood/mafia2
Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Monk+Monk+Monk+Monk+Falsehood/mafia+Falsehood/mafia
Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Wise Apprentice+Wise Apprentice+Monk+Monk+scry/mafia+Falsehood/mafia
Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Wise Apprentice+Monk+Monk+Falsehood/mafia+Falsehood/mafia2
Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Wise Apprentice+Wise Apprentice+Monk+Monk+Falsehood/mafia+Falsehood/mafia2+m/mafia3
Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Monk+Monk+Monk+Falsehood/mafia+Falsehood/mafia2+Falsehood/mafia3
Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Monk+Monk+Wise Apprentice+Wise Apprentice+Scrying Necromancer/mafia+Falsehood/mafia+Falsehood/mafia
Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Wise Apprentice+Wise Apprentice+Monk+Monk+Necromancer/mafia+Scrying Necromancer/mafia+Falsehood/mafia
Sushi Man+Wise Apprentice+Wise Apprentice+Wise Apprentice+Monk+Monk+Monk+Necromancer/mafia+Scrying Necromancer/mafia+Falsehood/mafia
Wise Apprentice+Wise Apprentice+Wise Apprentice+Monk+Monk+Monk+Scrying Necromancer/mafia+Falsehood/mafia+Scrying Necromancer/mafia2+Falsehood/mafia2
Monk+Monk+Monk+Monk+Monk+Monk+Necromancer/mafia+Falsehood/mafia+Necromancer/mafia2+Falsehood/mafia2
Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Sushi Man+Monk+Monk+Monk+Scrying Necromancer/mafia+Falsehood/mafia+Scrying Necromancer/mafia2+Falsehood/mafia2


This was made for IRC mafia, so the dayaction might want major tweaking for board use.

Too complex.

[mask man]

Can you elaborate?
It's basically themed FESS with an added mafia rolecop. Only unique role being the apprentice.