Nautilius wrote:UNVOTE, VOTE QUADZ
bv310 wrote:Unvote, Vote: Quadz
@Midnight, I'd probably get annoyed, then attempt to refute your arguments, leading to me looking worse and eventually getting mislynched.
Chronopie wrote:VOTE: Quadz I'd say wtf you been smokin, but it's clearly scum-weed.
FoS, FoS, FoS. F'sho.
FYI, Blaze and Midnight are probably protown.
bill1148 wrote:vote Chrono
for being wagony.
Why Chrono, specifically?
153-155 = Chrono/KDub conneciton.
(Lawl. Midnight is on the right track, but I think it applies more if Gandalf is town, not scum.)
Chronopie wrote:Thing is, Kdub defending gandalf, by way of attacking the attacker (dram), is a chainsaw defence, thus scummy. So if gandalf flips scum, Kdub is his buddy for defending him in said manner. geddit?
Yeah, that's all fine and dandy, except that Dram's reasoning is in fact complete and utter garbage. Dram is strawmanning like a champ here, and clearly misrepresenting what Gandalf said. Gandalf made a snarky, yet
completely appropriate
, response to a silly question. There is no feasable chance that "everybody" else in the game "knows" Gandalf is scum at Page 2, so Gandalf's response of "I'd wtf at you all and be on my way" response is completely accurate.
(Lawl. Prana is on the right track. Plus points for him.)
Chronopie wrote:Thing is, Kdub defending gandalf, by way of attacking the attacker (dram), is a chainsaw defence, thus scummy. So if gandalf flips scum, Kdub is his buddy for defending him in said manner. geddit?
Yeah, see, except that Dram's reasoning is in fact complete and utter garbage. Dram is strawmanning like a champ here, and clearly misrepresenting what Gandalf said. Gandalf made a snarky, yet
completely appropriate
, response to a silly question. There is no feasable chance that "everybody" else in the game "knows" Gandalf is scum at Page 2, so Gandalf's response of "I'd wtf at you all and be on my way" response is completely accurate.
dramonic wrote:A strawman would be something if I was actually misrepping what he said.
I don't believe I've misrepped him at all, so you can just stop launching the techspeak.
While you did not change the actual meaning of the words you posted, you took what was very clearly a JOKE of a response and tried to make it into a SERIOUS reason to find him scummy. Therein lies the strawman.
xRECKONERx wrote:It's a "Hey, bv310 is blatantly bandwagoning and parroting a weak case, man that sure does look like a scum move" kind of deals.
:goodposting:
xRECKONERx wrote:lrn2burdenofproof
Not applicable here. People have in fact brought on legitimate evidence that Dram is more likely to be scum than your average player.
Do you feel that Dramonic did not misrepresent Gandalf's tongue-in-cheek response to the "what if someone knew you were scum" question?
Even outside of your buttbuddy alliance, your defense of Dram seems questionable here.
xRECKONERx wrote:PranaDevil wrote:Okay Reck, Dram pushed gandalf for absolutely nothing whatsoever. Was that a pro-town move?
Sounds more like "Oh shit I haven't caught up with this game yet... hmm that looks moderately scummy" and then putting a vote on it.
Regardless, it caused discussion.
This would be a reasonable response if Dram hadn't spent the better part of a page trying to defend said post. Try again, please.
quadz08 wrote:@dram:
dram wrote:Prana, I am not pushing for nothing, I am pushing Gandalf for not doing anything, I suspect it is on purpose too.
Why is Gandalf the only one you're pushing, then? As Devo pointed out, he's not the only one.
This is :goodfuckingposting:, and not even something I had considered. However, much of the rest of his post is going on a lurkerhunt, which feels mostly like deflection to me.
So here's what I'm getting.
A bunch of people are actively lurking, and posting very little content. There are also a couple of people (Blaze, and my predecessor Vamp) who are inactive.
Dram picks out Gandalf and goes balls to the walls without really commenting on any of the other noncontributers.
Devo picks out Quadz and goes, uh... ovaries to the walls without really commenting on any of the other noncontributers.
Quadz responds to Devo by pointing out Dram's tunnel vision and then deflecting to a whole bunch of other noncontributers by asking for content.
However, Quadz made a good point about Dram's hypocrisy, and I really like his question to Prana.
Devo comes out looking bad here, because there are a bunch of people who have been lurking, but she goes after what was already the most popular wagon of the day. It's kind of a fuel on the fire thing to me.
Chronopie wrote:inHimshallibe wrote:Chronopie wrote:Sadly, xReckx | Fate | Ellibereth (Half of Nautilius), are what is known as the "Screaming Death Clan." There are another couple of members not in this game.
They love to make everyone else's eyes bleed.
Tone of this post with the amount of information he has given is p. scummy.
And this looks like Appeal to Popularity.
The first is a commentary on site meta.
The second... Is asking for a votecount... so you're reaching just a
little
, there
--
OTOH: The content / commitments / reasoning in that post of yours is... absent.
inHim's point is, "Why the fuck aren't you talking about most of the players in the game." Don't be a MehPlusRawr here, Chrono.
bill1148 wrote:Devo, Prana, and Fate feel pro-town. Midnight, Chrono, Kdub, dram, and bv need to be looked into.
I agree that quadz' "long" post that he gave after being called out by Devo was mostly fluff, and as such I too find him slightly suspicious. That said, I'm not quite ready to hop on the quadz wagon just yet.
SEE FENCE. SIT DOWN.
Devo looks p bad to me through page whatever this is (12?). Curious to know why you're getting protown vibes from her.
Fate wrote:THE REST COMES LATER AKA
LET'S JUST LYNCH QUADZ I DUNNO IF DRAM IS SCUM WITH HIM YET.
I WAS JUST MAKING BASELESS STATEMENTS TO EASE THE TRANSITION BACK ONTO THE QUADZ WAGON.
Hi, can we lynch you now?
Chronopie wrote:Fate's just Fate.
ofc that makes him either really pro-town, or scummy mcscummerson, depending on your outlook...
Hi, can you stop being Fate's scumbuddy now?
Zazie's post makes my panties wet. And considering Blaze is obviously protown, Zazie clearly needs doc protected or some bullshit like that. That said, I'm going to answer one thing on behalf of Nero, because I've effectively done the exact same thing.
Zazie wrote:Nero needs to explain his vote against Devo. Because it seems to me that it comes down to disagreement about mafia theory and Devo asking only one player a question. And to both I’d like to know why that makes Devo scummy.
Suppose Player X and Player Y commit the same "scumtell." Player A makes a case against Player X for the scumtell, and there is discussion about X and yadda yadda yadda, X eventually gets lynched as town. Both Player Y and his scumtell fall largely off the radar, especially as the game continues (especially since today's MS meta involves a lot of forgetting about past cases and events), and Y never really gets attacked or suspected for having commited the same scumtell, which is just as legitimate as the case that A used to get X lynched.
There is a strong A-Y scum connection here. Though Nero didn't identify who specifically he felt Devo was favoring (and I can't yet either -- there are a lot of scummish lurkers in this game), I would assume that Nero feels that Devo is going to shine the lurker light on "SUPER POPULAR BANDWAGON QUADZ," try to finish off an already popular lynch, then forget about the whole lurker thing. At least, that's how I personally feel about it.
Elli, I am super disappointed with your contributions so far. I want you to tell me who Fate's and Chrono's scumbuddies are. Thanks in advance.
Bill: Ugh. Quadz vote so bad.
RecK: Ugh. "Want to lynch for information" on D1 is fucking weaksauce, and you know it.
Bigtime FoS
. I'll tell you right now what the "information" is, and it's that Quadz is PROTOWN. Guarangoddamnedfuckingtee it. You are being lazy and flaily (new word) right now, and I don't like it. Get your head on straight, ignore your out-of-game wants, and lynch scums. Or die.
Nautilius wrote:hmmmmm
QUADZ MAY BE TOWN
Need have some head to head talk sessions with the other head and stuff bout that.
unvote
Nautilius wrote:vote: chrono
Thank you, Elli. That's what I was waiting for. Mega bonus plus points for you.
Fate wrote:Chronopie wrote:Nautilius wrote:I'm SHEEPING my other head who said he/she/it's never seen you so POLITE AND BORING.
hypoquadztownminusallianceawesomepeopleminusmidnighttownisjustpuddingoncakeorwhateverthesayingismyspacebarisn'tbroken.
I'm always Polite and Boring.
And I'm pretty sure that one, if not both heads, have seen my flip both alignments, so my behaviour is a null-tell.
ELLIE BUILD THIS WAGON UP AND I'LL HOPE OVER.
ZAZIER'S POSTED LONGER THINGS THOUGH SO I GOTTA STICK WITH HIM.
Hi, can you stop being Chrono's scumbuddy now?
HERE IS A FUN EXERCISE.
Dram, please tell me the two people you find most scummy BESIDES GANDALF. Obviously, explanations are expected.
JPSalazar wrote:At the same time, I don't feel like bandwagon hopping. I'm not convinced to throw a vote in any direction.
Well that's just not nice. Now I have to decide whether the "I don't like this, but I'm not going to actually vote or do anything" attitude is an aspect of you in general, or whether it's consistent enough with Square Enix I to warrant killing you dead. "Bandwagon hopping" or not, would you care to tell us who your top few suspects are?
Mr. Kise Mod Sir:
Keep KDub.
Zazie, please explain why your antagonization of Bill about his name is a protown decision. If it's alpha-male bullshit, please swallow your massive ego like a hot load and call him Bill. Thanks in advance.
This concludes my massive wall of quotes and text and stuff like that. Vote forthcoming once I've had a couple of minutes to process. It will almost certainly drop on one of {Fate, Chrono, Devo, Dram, Reck} (in no particular order).
